'I am here as a public service to educate the naive & uninformed how the industry works...'
LOL, speaks the clueless idiot who knows nothing about how the industry works, has worked or will work.
'Geez... posts of mine from 4 yrs ago were posted ealier today... that's how desperate this board
is to find anything that might prove me wrong...'
Hey stupid you ASKED for those links in this post ...
[getanid61 • 10 hours ago
"Correct about ARM64 the same way you were correct about Windows RT?"
Please provide a link to anything I said...
c'mon with those links...]
It is not hard to prove you are WRONG when you are in fact continuously wrong. You say the most ridiculous outrageous things which time always proves wrong. You said Intel was doomed once Windows and Office was ported to ARM and you repeated this #$%$ for YEARS until reality eventually hit you enough times around the head. Now you just brush it off as a minor oversight lol !
'Instead, INtel is forced to bribe its way to stay relevant... Do you get it ??'
It's nothing about staying relevant but pushing its way rudely into as many OEMs as quickly as possible. The fact the product is superior too will just make ARM's demise that much quicker.
'ARM performance will also advance significantly by then also.'
Sure but Atom has more potential. Silvermont Atom is a dual-issue processor (like Jaguar) and yet both these x86 processors have similar or greater performance over the triple-issue ARM competition like A15 and Krait. What happens when Atom goes triple-issue too like a modern Pentium-M ?
'I'm not sure why you think manufactures who are for the most part content with current ARM performance, low cost, and a very mature & substantial base of developers, would abandon ARM in the coming years even if Intel's battery life is on par with ARM? '
They might not but if Intel's chips are superior new manufacturers will spring up who will. All the mini-computer manufacturers who did not go Risc decades ago all died out.
'Do you really think Intel can effectively compete on pricing in the long-term?'
Considering Core processors already pay for its Fabs meaning it's free for Atom and it has a density advantage over the ARM foundries in any particular year the question should really be can ARM fabless companies compete on pricing with Intel in the long-term after paying foundries a 45% cut on larger processes ?
'why is Intel using Imagination Technology's Graphics IP in their atom chips.'
Because they make very efficient low power gpus and Intel is a major shareholder of the company.
'Wonder if down the road Intel might pick something else up from Nvidia in a mutally beneficial arrangement for both. '
No, Intel will be using Intel Gen9 gpu architecture in Goldmont Atom for both phones and tablets and stop using PowerVR. It was only a stopgap.
'If Intel was on top of their game, how did they let ARM get to the point they are now dominating the ultra mobile sector?'
Intel did not think this low asp sector was worth bothering with before so ARM was allowed to flourish without competition before. This is now changing very quickly and by 2015 when the Goldmont 3rd generation Atom is released there will be no doubt about who dominates the ultra mobile sector.
'Already stated ARMH is a rubber stamp... and the winners will design their own cores...'
Yes and because you have stated this simple assumption over and over it is obviously going to come true lol. How about the winners will be decided on merit and by consumers and not because some clown companies have chosen a particular ISA and that the winners may actually not include any of that particular ISA. That's how the real world of capitalism has always worked, maybe you think it works on some Soviet type command economy where the Czar President says you will buy ARM !! lol
'you always bring up NVidia when you're losing on the ARM debate...'
Please, I have not ever lost a single debate with you. It's like arguing with a 10-year old and involves more painful educating on my part than real debating. It's like talking to a truculent stupid child with no sense.
"Don't dismiss INtel so easily. THey are still the #1 semiconductor company in the world."
I don't dismiss INtel, I'm an INTC long...
"The business community buys pcs to run their business apps. Until MS ports it's software....especially MS office....Intel will be around in a big way"
Yes, I just bought an I7 desktop, and will buy a Win8 labtop for my kids as they go off to college...
Why are you replying to YOUR 2009 Post as if I wrote it ? Those were your words in 2009 predicted the demise of Intel on porting Windows to ARM not mine !
'How many years will INtel be forced with Billions in bribes to compete ??'
It is not using it to compete but to destroy.
'When INtel starts to fab ARM SOCs... INTC to the moon'
Yeah because making $10 ARM chips is obviously more profitable than making $50-$2000 x86 chips. How stupid can one guy be ?
So you think they are not competing now using a common ISA but even less effectively by using the same restricted designs ? I don't know what obvious I am supposed to be missing but it is obviously of your stupid variety.
'ARM is everywhere !!!!'
Only in mobile where it has always been. x86 has already taken lumps out of its tablet marketshare yet ARM has got nowhere in PCs in the same time. Who do you think is winning this battle in the real world outside of your ARM cheerleader fantasyworld ?
'You're now calling ARM64 cores phantom... look what you're reduce to... total denial of the obvious'
Where's Nvidia's Phantom Denver that was supposed to be delivered in 2012 ? It sure is a phantom core lol.
Ok idiot, let's see how wrong you have been about WindowsRT lol ...
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Don't dismiss INtel so easily. THey are still the #1 semiconductor company in the world.
The business community buys pcs to run their business apps. Until MS ports it's software....especially MS office....Intel will be around in a big way."
So 3 years later and WindowsRT with Office is a big fat fail and Intel is still around in a big way.
You are a clueless cretin who is too stupid to realize it. Please please go away and take your inane stupidity with you.
WTH do you mean by world support if not being supported by major OEMS like I mentioned ? How much world support by 3rd party software vendors for example did WindowsRT get ? Hell even MSFT would not support it properly LOL. Software vendors have given previous RISCs much greater real world support than your phantom ARM64 cores. You are dense all the time because you are not prepared to argue real facts at any time because you know they are all against you. I don't think I have ever met anyone as logically impaired as you.
Idiot, you are still not getting it. IBM, Apple, Samsung etc all were involved in previous RISCs that all FAILED !!!
'World Support' is not a guarantee of big sales as Itanium and all previous RISCs proved. Once you grasp this very simple elemental idea then computing economics and history will make sense to you but until then you are just a stupid troll wasting everyone's time here with your pointless contentless posts. Now go laugh some more at that village idiot.
The same companies that you now classify as 'world support' were the same companies all doing previous RISCs. You are laughing at your own incredible ignorance and are too stupid to realize it.
Fantasy post, ARM performance/watt is no better than x86's meaning the whole premise of the fantasy is wrong.
'Really... which CPU ISA was being made by whom ??'
Don't you already know despite all the years you have lived on Earth ? Google RISC servers and educate yourself on some real history.
'How many companies were making that particular CPU ??'
Idiot, they were all making their own cpus using different RISC ISAs in open intense competition, not all using the same spoon-fed formula from only one supplier.
'Live in denial as the world goes ARM64.'
Clueless sloganeer. Are you going to troll this board for years now with this ARM64 BS after years of your WinRT pumping proved totally false and misleading ? ARM64 means no more or less than ARM32 and the latter is still only in mobile despite years of pumping from idiots like you and ARM64 will join it there to take more lumps from x86.
Grow up and act your age, these boards are not meant for adults to indulge in childish regression for their own warped amusement. Troll.
'Irrelevant... none of them had world support...'
They all had world support idiot, led by the richest computer company of the time, IBM. Clueless Idiot.
'All your whining & complaing can't stop ARM64 from world takeover....'
It's not whining, it's realism. According to your idiotic rantings only a year or so ago ARM was going to take over Windows by now. How did that stupid idea work out for ya ? Clueless idiot.
ARM64 server products are just not good enough to get any traction for years and years. Hell there are serious RISC server chips out there like Power and Sparc which are truly server optimized and better than the amateurish ARM64 attempts and yet they are still struggling against the x86 tide. Clueless idiot.
AMD is using a stock ARM A57 in its server designs, I could not think of a less custom design lol. No-one of note will be calling AMD to make its servers for them. You also over estimate AMD's fundamental prospects, its core x86 designs are falling further behind every year as it continues with the same tired designs on 28nm as Intel drops to 14nm next year and AMD Jaguars will be collateral damage as Intel price-bombs its Atoms against ARM. As for consoles AMD only makes $10-15 profit for each chip as the dies are so huge on 28nm, ~ 400 mm^2. Lastly AMD's chart sucks, every day moving average above 420 is resistance and dropping. To expect high stock multiples from here is wildly optimistic given all these strong headwinds.
'ARM64 will be everywhere.'
64-bit Riscs from every big tech company in the world used to be everywhere in Servers once too, where are they now ? Circling the wagons while their sales plummet !! You have a simplistic idiotic view of the technological world, very simple and very stupid. Buyers will not buy a 2nd-rate product no matter how many rich amateur clown companies try to force it on them.
FBR reckon there will be $1.27bn ARM microservers vs $1.09bn x86 microservers sold in 2017. Seriously I have not seen such wet-dream fantasies since the initial highly optimistic Itanium estimates in the late 90s which I called out at the time too. ARM will be lucky to get 10% of x86 microserver sales in 2017 nevermind 110% lol ! None of the rubber stamped duckies have a chip good enough to even live with Avoton or LV Xeon *now* and Intel will keep moving the goalposts further each year.
Who cares, either way it's negligible in the grand scheme of things. There are literally millions of companies using Intel server chips, Google can go and do their own one if they eventually want, it does not change anything substantial in Intel's revenue/profits. I remember a time when there was no Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc, there was still insatiable demand for server chips to run companies systems.