...drivel posts) expecting a huge move and here we are up a whole 3 cents. And one clown is expected at least $15B for HERE while at the same time posting that the 2016 $10 calls will be losers. Can that guy do 8th grade math?
josh3xxx, you think $8.1B for a unit they now value at less than $2B, and wrote off serious money on, was "a risk worth taking" NO, they way over paid. Well I guess a loser like you expects to lose.
...proved wrong about his value for HERE ($15B- no way!) and that NOK will only move after Sammy deal but, while it has moved enough to prove josh3 full of bs, so far not much of a real move. NOK should easily be over $10. It will be. Now PBR has moved up nicely the past week; my options over double.
...the value of, and price they will fetch from, HERE than many on this board whom have given absurd values, out of line with what they expect from NOK share price. I would be very happy if they can get $10B (15 or 20B is absurd- I hope I am wrong) for it and that should send it over $10, but doubt they will get that much. The market shows that it still has little respect for NOK stock and ergo current management. They still need to do a serious share buy back.
...the small move shows the market does not totally believe Suir will follow through. Joshx333 contradicts many of his previous bs posts by saying NOK should not take less than $15B. He must be on LSD if he thinks NOK would get an offer anywhere near that. And that values HERE at over $4, so he thinks all the rest of NOK (including $5B net cash) is worth only $4B today? And didn't he post that NOK will not move until Sammy arb. ruling? If they got $15B for HERE (no way) then NOK would be $12 easy.
guy-stock, you're an idiot! The $8.40 figure (is that I number I posted?) was not meant to be an exact number (and you do not have to deduct the entire div.) but was just an approx. (close) figure off top of head vis a vis the (narrow) range. Anyone can get an exact range (sans div. calculation) from YHOO or Scottrade by just looking.
bonzo6- your are right about that. MSFT, under Balmer was notorious for making bad calls (see YHOO) and MSFT will have to pay much more than they could have had HERE for. And agree the private eq. would not offer a high price (again see YHOO when it was $16 -and still owned 43% of BABA)- and p.e. was only offering $17 or $18. Of course YHOO soon went to $50. Also I think Sammy is way too cheap to offer much, (see SNDK when all they would offer was $13 so no deal and then SNDK went to $100 +/-. An AAPL/MSFT bidding war would be great.
Firstly guy-stockman-clown, its "you're" not "your", so learn 6th grade grammar. And you have to deduct the 51 cent taxable div. from the $8.73 (don't kid yourself) and you get a lower 52 week high. NOK should be way above that!
NOK can't value HERE at only $2B and that just has to be an accounting trick. Although it appears the market has never given NOK share price much value for HERE. I would hope they would get at least $8B, no?
That makes no sense guy-stockclown . I think the $10 calls (I have 2016 and 2017) are a steal and own many. My complaint is with how complacent and feckless NOK management has been leading the shares to be down for well over a year, when it should be easily over $10. Unlike josh and fr3ch, I invest to make money, and over all do so. When NOK has dropped to below $7.50 I have added to my positions. I have also bought some cheap July $8's as a real gamble/speculation and they are up nicely. Also my PBR (bought at $6) and BP (at $36 w/ 6.6% div.) positions have done quite well recently Thanks for your concern.
How about their talking about a $2B value for a unit they paid over $8B for and have put tons of cash into and yet still seems to be hemorrhaging money. And how can NOK still have a junk rating. Well josh3xxx loves junk.
...NOK could easily be $10 or even $12. Maybe Suri is reading my posts.
Really, you think that after being down for well over a year that NOK could run all the way back up to $8.40? What a move! What chumps NOK has holding it. And what higher highs are those, I don't see them? Wow NOK has totally failed its shareholders, but at least Suri has an award from China. Big payment for stealing NOK technology and not paying for it.
...I would not have bought those 2016 $10 calls. I do still think NOK has lots of unrealized value and the $10 calls can still work out, but clearly NOK has been a poor performer under this feckless management, for way too long. Josh3xxx seems to have no faith in NOK and is happy to lose money and is just a chump like fr3chie who invests in, and defends a company, that can not get out of its own way. What a fool josh is, it sounds like he is rooting against NOK so I lose money on it Well if Josh3 actually even owns any NOK (dubious) I hope he makes a lot on it. What a clown to pretend he "knew" NOK would be such a narrow range and terrible stock for so long, yet is in it, and on this board day and night. No one believes you!
Once again josh3xxx posts worthless and specious junk. Firstly the latest range is really not $7.40 to $8.66 as you have to deduct the 51 cent div. so more like $7.40 to $8.15, which is very narrow "range", as is the one right before it of $7.27 to $7.89. The other two are not range bound at all as $4.81 to $7.16 in less than 2 months is a huge range, as is the first one percentage wise. And actually higher (not lower) lows. Again josh the pretentious clown posts his drivel. What for?
You make good points but watch out as paranoid fr3nchie will accuse you of being me as he thinks most people who make good factual posts, and are not management yes men, are.
...of help and this management does not seem to have the finance chops, as someone has posted. They just sit on much cash in a low interest environment.
...is so opposed to a real share buyback (so many quality companies do them and no company need one as much of NOK) or why NOK shares can not go up, are so manipulated, or why he is evidently happy losing money on NOK. Well some folks are just losers and have learned to rationalize it. It's the Euro, we need patience, yada yada. Everything but the real reason, poor, feckless management.
...was facing BK and before MSFT rescue), so they are happy with NOK. The point is not about you and I don't understand why some take NOK's bad performance so personally. I am not concerned about ancient history but what NOK is doing now. Now, and for over a year, NOK has NOT been doing very well. I too made a lot on MSFT deal, well over double on my shares, and huge multiples on some call options (4 or 5 different positions, I posted the other day I made 13 times on one position, but indeed on review I also made 16 times a small call position of $800 getting back almost $13k). But that was then, this is now. I don't live or invest in the past, and its not just about me, (hey I've made more on real estate but that is irrelevant to the point).
Also while I call some people idiots and pretentious, etc., that is because those words are descriptive and their posts and logic show them to be so. Some have called me vile and obscene things, but that only shows that they are classless and that I have gotten the best of them and essentially won the argument. I won't stoop to their level.
...recently, (well weak Dec 2013 but also these past weeks)? I agree that many shareholders are just losing patience (the only currency the NOK apologists seem to have) and getting tired of watching so many stocks go up while NOK flounders. Does NOK need to get a better CEO?