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mktplyr517 37 posts  |  Last Activity: Sep 30, 2015 11:31 AM Member since: Oct 12, 2001
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  • As Brian Nelson goes off on MLP structure and GPs its important to remember there is no GP in EPD

    When the smoke clears there will be the buying opportunity of a lifetime... in what may be one of the few remaining MLPs

  • The wonderful news today is Iran and Kuwait will join the Saudi's in undercutting Brent

    Dumping... and our wonderful government allows it

    Obama s bent of destroying fossil fuel production in the US

    Not to mention... terrorist Iran can sell oil on the world markets..... but those horrible US producers are forbidden to do so

  • Reply to

    end of the oil age...

    by dl9bas Aug 25, 2015 12:56 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 26, 2015 12:40 PM Flag

    Those batteries will start more fires than the local fire department can handle....

    Imagine... your Chinese made solar panels store power in your Chinese made batteries..... you should have as much faith in that working as you have in the Chinese stock market not being rigged

    If you haven't learned anything about Chinese quality from all the Chinese made Krrap your wife bought from Bed Bath and Beyond over the past decade... and now sits in a local landfill....well then you are clueless

  • Reply to

    why is EPD down today ?

    by im_not_diverse Sep 25, 2015 10:35 AM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Sep 25, 2015 3:15 PM Flag

    What has fundamentally changed is revenue is off by 40%

    Do you still think this is a short term price fluctuation like you said 6 months ago?

  • as an offset to our debt... while crushing the Saudi's policies...

    That makes way too much sense for anyone in DC to go along with

  • and I was ranting and raving that EPD would not be immune....

    That GDP would take a huge hit... that the energy sector would see massive layoffs...

    and I was mocked.... told that consumer spending and retail jobs would make up for it..

    Here's a paragraph from Bloomberg today...
    150,000 Jobs
    Exxon, the biggest U.S. energy producer, reported July 31 its lowest profit since 2009 while No. 2 Chevron posted its worst results in 12 years. Chevron earlier last week said it would eliminate 1,500 jobs in an effort to cut $1 billion in spending.

    BP, Shell, Schlumberger Ltd. and Halliburton Co. have announced thousands of job cuts in recent weeks as they prepare for a prolonged stretch of low prices. Since the crude rout began last summer, the industry has eliminated 150,000 jobs, according to Graves & Co., a Houston-based adviser that has closely tracked the cutbacks

    I wonder how many $8.75/hr retail jobs were created to make up for that..... 150K $100K+ jobs that were lost...

    I wonder how many energy sector workers took those $8.75/hr jobs and if they did how their families are making out and whether their mtgs are being paid and new car... new appliances are being bought

    These issues do not even touch the effects on GDP but they should be evident to every EPD holder because EPDs revenues will be off $20 Billion this year... basically because of commodity pricing

    I ranted that the administration had very dirty hands in this... they want green energy... they continue to allow the Saudi's to engage in unfair trade practices by selling oil into the US at a discount to Brent....

    The Obama lovers told me what a boon cheap energy would be for the economy.... well gas where I live is about $3.25 gal as oil sits in the $40s... some savings.... less than $10 a week

    The libs need to wake up and understand that IF they win the WH again... its only going to wet far worse in this sector

  • and they toss out a fluff piece bone ahead of pricing

  • Reply to

    Safest Place Now

    by plutus1964 Aug 12, 2015 2:12 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 13, 2015 1:37 PM Flag

    The production and injection #s show that there is a ton of Nat Gas flowing right now..

    and that in a nut shell is the prolem

  • and since he had no response he deleted the message that it was in reply to inside the thread... but I'll directly ask him for an answer yet again

    Amazing how facts can screw with empty theory
    Reply to end of the oil age... by dl9bas •Aug 25, 2015 12:56 PM

    mktplyr517 • 20 hours ago Remove

    I'd love to hear how the northern part of the US will heat their homes.... because there is no amount of wind and solar combined that can met that demand

    We could also go into the electrical grid infrastructure... the demands solar has placed on it...and the costs moving forward of upgrading the grid that have to be borne by the new suppliers coming on line (as elect generating plants must upgrade the grid to go on line so solar will have to do the same) Is solar anywhere near economical now that the grid has vey limited additional capacity and solar projects will have $100s of millions in grid upgrade expenses to come on line... don't think so

    Start to expect the unexpected... NG projects can generate enough MWs to justify the grid expenses... solar and wind projects cannot produce enough MWs to pay for the grid upgrades...

    and don't expect fossil fuel generators to underwrite the green energy projects


    BTW this electric grid upgrade issue is a massive impediment to further expansion of solar and wind projects... it is the proverbial Brick Wall that has been hit

    In my area homeowners are even being asked to pay for grid upgrades for peak power that has to be sold back (and must by law) to the utility... more than quadrupling the cost of the installation for their fancy roof top arrays

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 11, 2015 9:39 AM Flag

    It also means that yesterdays action was manipulated by the underwiters... the list of which is impressive

    In EPDs bull phase over the past years secondary's were mere blips on the radar.... we can only pray that this one garners the same results

  • SEC doc filed yesterday after the close...

    The likes of Brian Nelson will feast on this...

    $2 Billion @ $27 is 74 mil shares

    $2 billion @ the highs of $41 is 49 million shares

    Which is why I believe that more DCF should be directed towards defending the units value

    That excess 25 million shares will cost $32+ million in distributions a year...

    I just think had the distribution been 1/8 of a cent greater over the past year... with another 1/8 given this past Q the units would be in the mid $30s at worst shaving the excess by about 1/2

  • Reply to

    Best stocks are being hit the worst.

    by dlw2244 Sep 29, 2015 2:43 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Sep 29, 2015 2:52 PM Flag

    Pipelines are usually a big asset in hedge funds because they are generally stable and provide income so you can leverage them quite nicely

    I would bet there is a hedge fund or 2 in deep stuff.... that is being forced to liquidate because they are getting redemption calls from their clients.

    Not only would this tell you we could hear of a fund going belly up...those high end clients are pulling money which does not bode well for the broader markets

    IN 08 & 09 pipelines had their worst days on the dates that the hedge funds had their worst days....
    I was looking at the 08 & 09 prices this morning and EPD actually had a significantly lower inter day price in Oct 08 than it did in March of 09

    Question is who is Harry Houdini and can magically call the bottom

  • Reply to

    At about a twenty two month low.

    by dlw2244 Jul 21, 2015 12:21 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jul 21, 2015 1:16 PM Flag

    Its all about NGLs...

    and while the upcoming Q will not be stellar.... its not as bad as some would have it....

    Gut tells me it is slightly better than Q1....

  • Well to start they could hit Saudi Arabia with a tarrif of 2Xswhat they discount Brent for when they sell it into the US market

    They are still selling at approx a $4 discount.... And since US refineries are set up to refine Heavier Brent it is cheaper to refine than WTI and LLS so the refineries jump at it with the discount vs the US crudes

    DC could suspend the crude export ban and export to Europe where there are refineries set to refine Lighter oils.... Send the POS Saudis a message.... Because IF we export light US grades to Europe the Saudis would be forced to discount to the WTI price.... See how the like selling at a discount to $45 instead of a discount to $52... Fight fire with fire

    But you would need an administration in power that is respected by the Saudis.... One that negotiates from a position of strenght.... Opps.... Really didnt want to reference Iran

  • Reply to

    Like rats on a sinking ship

    by chuck11262004 Jul 22, 2015 3:19 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jul 22, 2015 3:34 PM Flag

    It is no where near as simple as you suggest when a large % of the proceeds will be taxed at regular income rates

    Far better to be selling calls and or buying puts.... not a bad idea to go short against the box.... For all my criticism of EPD it will be back in the long term... it is the near term that is the issue....

    While oil and gas prices are the primary driver of this selloff Fed action continues to loom large... that can cause the selloff to accelerate.... or out of the blue... while the Fed is raising rates... energy could rally... completely negating the affect of a rate hike or we could see strength in the equity despite a rate hike

    It is impossible to read right now... but IF energy does not rally before a September hike in rates the pain will be much worse than it already is... there is also the factor that when rates rise the dollar will strengthen so oil will probably take a hit IF we don't see a shift in the supply demand issues

    I have been short against the box for some time... which is why its easier to swallow this... I will cover prior to ex-div and then decide what I want to do again there after

  • Reply to

    EPD remains the

    by rpfla Jul 28, 2015 1:11 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jul 30, 2015 9:26 AM Flag

    NOTHING has fundamentally changed with EPD.

    while costs have dropped significantly and coverage of DCF remains very strong when a companies revenue is off by over 40% and the shares are off 30% its illogical to say that nothing has fundamentally changed

    This is not a short term movement... rate sensitive equities have a further drop ahead... a Fed move will hammer MLPs... unless there is a corresponding strong rally in energy commodities... I think energy commodity strength is still a ways off so we will probably see a FED move before the energy recovery

    There is a large fortune to be made if you get this timing right... good luck

  • Reply to

    Hey... remember when EPD was at $40....

    by mktplyr517 Aug 3, 2015 9:32 AM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 3, 2015 10:35 AM Flag

    EPD has virtually no short interest... 8.7 million on 2 billion shares... 4/10s of a single percent... CHK and RIG both have short interest in excess of 30%

    shorting has zero impact on EPD... I would hate to see what would happen if shorting did occur

    Distribution will continue to be paid.... I would not drip... hoard cash for a # in the low $20s

  • Reply to

    This is what happens when

    by dlw2244 Aug 5, 2015 1:09 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 5, 2015 1:21 PM Flag

    You do realize that the short interest in EPD is 8 million on 2 billion which is like 4/10s of a %

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    by dlw2244 Aug 3, 2015 4:16 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 5, 2015 9:52 AM Flag

    their earnings, DCFs, payout ratios, effect of oil/gas price on businesses and cannot come up with one good reason as to why there has been such a quick and massive selloff across the board

    REVENUE..... REVENUE.... REVENUE.... its off 40+%

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Aug 11, 2015 9:41 AM Flag

    and before I'm castigated the difference is $37.5 million + in distributions /yr