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mktplyr517 1056 posts  |  Last Activity: Jan 29, 2015 12:22 PM Member since: Oct 12, 2001
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  • mktplyr517 by mktplyr517 Jan 29, 2015 12:22 PM Flag

    Is at 38.8 mil bbl... record high is 51.6 mil bbl in Jan of 13

    Its been growing at about 2 mil bbl a week since the beginning of Dec... but its up from a low of 18 mil bbl in the beginning of Aug

    Just posted as food for thought with Seaway operating at 1/2 cap

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 28, 2015 10:57 PM Flag

    Germans are spending their money while it has value.... Declining Euro means higher prices tomorrow so you buy today before it costs more the next

    No different than what was going on in Russia

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 28, 2015 3:38 PM Flag

    UPS warned... for the Christmas season... so they make up excuses and say its mismanaged.... to many temps..... their fuel cost... largest cost other than people was more than 25% lower and they missed... 25% saving on fuel should have more than offset temp hires who get no benefits

    That says there were not enough packages

    So that tells me that lower fuel failed to stimulate the economy in 2 ways... retail spending and transportation costs

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 28, 2015 10:35 AM Flag

    " consumer confidence is surging right now"

    That's what they were telling us in Nov and December yet retail sales were down in Dec... Christmas.... when oil was at its lowest

    So no... Im not a believer that energy can go down and it be the sole driver an improved economy

    Obviously there are far more things at work such as decline in global demand.... which could indicate global recession (need I say Europe... China... Russia) will have a far greater contagion affect on the US economy than US housewives spending extra cash saved at the pump at Bed Bath and Beyond or some clothing retailer..... on ever cheaper Chinese made goods

    I will also ask in return why utilities have been raising rates in the current environment.... Where is the industrial savings when the cost of electric and Nat Gas is actually rising to end users

    National Grid is raising rates in the NE when they are buying gas from the Marcellus for ~$1 BTU... and NO media is even covering this contradiction

    PSE&G is raising rates while it whines about the cost of fuel to produce electric

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 28, 2015 10:12 AM Flag

    Cushing inventory is growing at close to 10% a week and is currently at 37m bbl... if todays rpt grows at the same trend we will be at 40+m.... while not record territory its filling fast.... certainly not empting out

    Oil stores in this country are at 80 yr highs... that does not bode well for the producers... especially when our great ally the Saudi's continue to sell Brent at a $4+ discount (at the port so that's after transportation) that undercuts WTI.... why would a refiner pay more for WTI when it costs them more to refine?

    Its horrible policy that allows this to continue... like I said its economic warfare.... and the thing that bothers me most is the fiasco started due to sanctions on Russia and Iran.... those countries will last longer than the smaller E&Ps... and that's gonna have an affect on mid stream pipes...

    Further evidence is what happened to ETP since it announced its merger with Regency... and what should be of great concern is Regency and ETP have a nice project in West Texas where the cost to produce is cheap... yet a driver of the deal is worries over the cost of production at E&Ps reducing flow

    Now may be a great time to merge in assets... but I believe current policy will drive the energy sector including pipelines lower

    and not a fan of government... especially foreign policy having such a profound affect on domestic energy production

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 22, 2015 11:32 PM Flag

    And skinz.... in response to your rant against those horrible conservative Koch Brothers from another thread....

    Here's a little fact for you to chew on... the Koch bros are the biggest supporters of PBS scientific programing.... perhaps I should rant about their "liberal" activities.....

    You know nothing of the Koch brothers other than the liberal talking points you are fed about them on MSNBC.....

    and for your further info... the next biggest PBS supporter worked for Ronald Reagan

    facts can have a way of nipping at your rear end.... amazing the way libs take possession of PBS while denying where the real big buck funding comes from

    Took just a few short paragraphs to show you to be a hypocrite 2Xs.... please explain to me how someone who owns EPD can be against Keystone because of the small possibility of an occasional leak..... enlighten me and others so we can wrap our heads around your logic.... maybe you can win us over to your side

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 22, 2015 11:16 PM Flag

    Call it a rant all you want but your inability to address any of the points speaks volumes...

    How many $140K roughnecks will work for minimum in service or retail?.... what affect does losing high paying jobs have on the economy.... Do retail employees buy houses cars furniture etc in a manner that has an effect on the economy... the reality is you need dozens of min wage retail workers to offset just 1 big paycheck energy employee... how many did Schlumberger say they were laying off... 9K? BP 2K in the US alone... HAL?????.... that's not even touching the layoffs we will see in fracking.... and don't even mention the deep sea drillers.... did we mention suppliers... I pointed out the closed factories and the hundreds US Steel was laying off as a result of energy commodity weakness.... how will those factory towns fare?..... I could rant on and on... but you get the idea (and have no answer)

    Your the one who was touting the economic boost from the savings at the pump... why did that fail to materialize.... during Christmas season no less... The last time retail dropped like that in Dec was in 08

    Can you tell me why so many major gas and electric utilities are raising rates as Natural Gas has lost close to 40%?.... I think there's a contradiction in there somewhere

    BTW how do you sleep at night with an investment that's married to big oil... deep sea drilling.... and Fracking.... you are a first rate hypocrite

    Consider me ignorant... and you informed..... please address these points....

  • I wonder if that has anything to do with the Saudi's selling oil in the US at a $4+ discount to Brent

    and that Gulf refineries can refine Saudi oil for less cost than domestic lighter oils

    This is a disturbing development

    I would hope that there is some outrage that the current administration is allowing the Saudi's to undercut a benchmark price... that's not free trade... its a trade war that is going to kill a significant proportion of US production for quite some time... this practice is directed at US producers and they are selling oil below WTI prices.... which drive WTI down further.... and many US producers cant get WTI prices under the best of circumstances...

    But WTeF.... people are saving $20 per fill up.... that savings isn't being spent elsewhere in the US economy (Dec drop in retail sales) so we are really just seeing an outflow of dollars to the Mid east again

    I heard some analyst today talking about energy jobs vs retail jobs and how retail outnumbered energy by about 13:1.... that the loss of energy jobs really didn't matter

    Failed to mention that avg salaries in Energy are 5-6Xs better than retail.... I guess he figures all those $100+K roughnecks can feed their families by folding clothes in the local Kohl's... $22K full time if they will give you the hours.... but they wont because of Obamacare

    But POTUS is gonna ask anyone with 2 nickels to rub together to pay for community college to educate a new generation of community organizers

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    by mphayman Jan 12, 2015 2:43 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 20, 2015 4:53 PM Flag

    Well that's an extremely short sighted view.... Canadian tar sand oil is refined cheaper and easier than the lighter more volatile fracked oils...... Gulf refineries are set up to refine heavier oils like tar sands oil..

    Refined products can be exported under current law so Gulf refineries will do well and have thousands of high paying jobs that would be further secured with a flow of cheap oil that can be refined into exportable product

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    by rmerrill2000 Jan 13, 2015 1:02 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 16, 2015 11:04 AM Flag

    careful here... we had a card carrying pinko tell us that these layoffs make no difference to the economy... consumer spending will make it up

    and we just saw how all that consumer savings in gasoline helped retail sales...

    EPD remains a great income earning defensive play.... but that doesn't mean that its not in for further ugliness.... I'll say some blasphemy.... get out of the drip.... put buy orders under the stock with your distribution cash if you are into reinvestment

    In a side note.... let me rhetorically ask why PSE&G and National Grid (major utility companies)... have been raising rates since the summer due to fuel costs..... as their primary fuel has cratered (off 40+%).... how is that cratering being passed along to the consumer in one of the most populous regions of the country... my heating gas budget has increased $20 and my elect $15

    and why haven't these analysts that talk of the "tax credit" low energy brings mentioned that utilities have been raising rates.... eating up almost all pump savings?

    also Con Ed wants 2015 rate hike on both the fuel and delivery portion of their billing... it just doesn't add up to the reality or the talking head rhetoric

  • Reply to

    About to take my 73 Plymouth big block V8

    by iluvbjhsat Jan 13, 2015 10:33 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 14, 2015 11:42 AM Flag

    Saudi's are ruining the American Fracking industry... and not only will jobs be lost.... companies will fold.... US production will drop.... we will be sending dollars to the mid east yet again.... and prices will rise

    while the imaginary benefit to the economy never takes hold

    be wary when the trees block your view of the forest.... and the nasty wolves and bears that live there

  • The fact is the people who need that money most are deep in debt and arrears.... thousand to the electric company... another grand for heat... credit debt dripping out the wazzo.... people would rather shut the bill collector up with that extra $32

    So retail has actually dropped!!!!.... and JP Morgan had a crumby Q..... now roll that into the negative affects of plunging energy and wide scale layoffs to come...... I was arguing with some who said that the S&P was going to see 6% EPS growth the other day in spite of the downtrend in energy EPS... I told them to watch the financial institutions... they would tell all.... JPM sees -6% EPS

    Thank goodness for cheap energy and the "tax cut" it gives regular folk

    World on the brink of a recession bigger than 09.... and its commodities that's the tell....

    While the FED has an empty gun... other than new rounds of QE... aint that good news

    on another note.... who was it who said America cant drill its way to lower gas prices...... but then takes credit for it when it comes to fruition...

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    New Payout Rate

    by skinz4q Jan 7, 2015 4:28 PM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 8, 2015 1:27 PM Flag

    which is the same as the increase for over 2 full years now split adj... and once again I will point out that means the growth rate continues to contract

    It has been hinted that EPD would defend the unit price with a bump or a one time special distribution.... with the units approx. 20% off their highs this would be the proper time to defend the unit price

    However the energy space environment prohibits a special at this time... which is why they should have been a little more generous when times were bright

    I think we are going to be in for some difficult #s moving forward as NGLs have been taking a beating price wise and that is where there is some exposure

    2015 is not going to be the best of years and I doubt we see new highs... or anywhere near there this year

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    This post was on the LINE bd

    by mktplyr517 Jan 7, 2015 10:22 AM
    mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Jan 7, 2015 10:27 AM Flag

    when I just googled the text of the message the only hits came up from the LINE and XOM bds so it may just be someone post and not a news blurb

  • It appears to be a cut and paste from somewhere.... it paints a bleak picture as to what may be ahead... also has a nice little tell about the cost savings of pipe over rail.... but massive drops in production will eventually have a cash flow and EPS impact on midstream pipes
    Bakken Crude Prices on Monday $24.33-$33.44 Per Barrel

    Tuesday, December 30, was the last time that the posted price of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil topped $50 a barrel. That price indicated how much Plains Marketing, a division of Plains All American Pipeline L.P. (NYSE: PAA), was willing to pay for a barrel of WTI crude. On Monday, January 5, Plains said it would pay $46.25 per barrel for WTI. Indeed, $40 oil is already here.

    Crude prices on the NYMEX fell below $50 a barrel briefly on Monday, but managed to close the trading day at $50.04. Tuesday morning the price fell to $48.47 in early electronic trading.

    The really bad news is the price that Plains Marketing is offering to pay for crude oil produced in the Bakken shale play. Williston Basin Sweet (equivalent to WTI) fetched just $33.44 a barrel on Monday; Williston Basin Sour fetched just $24.33. No other grade of crude on the Plains price bulletin was priced lower than Williston Sour.

    In our earlier look at the top producers in the Bakken, we noted the added transportation costs of $19 a barrel for Bakken crude headed by rail to the east coast and $11 a barrel for crude headed to the Gulf coast by pipeline. Adding the transportation cost to east coast refineries to the posted price of $33.44 gives a price per barrel at the refinery of $52.44. Because east coast crude is benchmarked to Brent, not WTI, the price paid was 1.2% below Monday’s closing price of $53.11 per barrel of Brent.

  • Cheap Oil Costs 756 U.S. Steel Workers Their Jobs
    U.S. Steel (NYSE:X) will idle two plants that serve the oil-and-gas industry and lay off 756 workers due to falling crude prices, an indication that companies outside the energy sector are also feeling the pain.

    The layoffs and temporary suspension of plant operations begin in March, affecting 614 employees in Lorain, Ohio, and 142 in Houston. U.S. Steel disclosed the layoffs on Monday, the Pittsburgh Business Times reported.

    Both plants produce tubular steel, which is used in drilling wells.

    A small event but it will trickle down and put others out of work also

    Energy will see big paycheck layoffs that will be in the 10s of thousands

    Which will create thousands of events like the one outlined above.... and like I said that will trickle down to all sorts of service jobs

    Good thing everyone is saving $35 a month at the pump

    This doesn't even begin to address the impact of lower commodity prices and eventually lower production on revenue and EPS of companies across the board

    Not to be political but the administration has to use whatever influence it has to stabilize energy prices before it triggers a DEEP recession.

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Dec 15, 2014 6:30 PM Flag

    EPD remains my largest holding but that doesn't mean I cant be honest about what goes on... and IF whats going on ticks me off I'll say so.... Im a partner with a very limited voice... but I will say what I think

    Mgmt gets paid rather well here and eF ups like those that are being discussed need to be addressed before they cost us partners another Billion $.... additionally IF they spent our money in an act of petty vengeance as has been implied we need new leadership

    are you concerned when they squander a Billion?

    BTW... no one seems to offer a different version of events or is saying they didn't squander that Billion

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Dec 15, 2014 1:20 PM Flag

    Your scenario should be reason for concern... not only did ETP sue EPD they won.... and IF my memory is correct it was a $1 Billion judgment... so that would indicate that EPD mgmt. started the problem by screwing up and costing quite a bit of partners money

    You now imply in an act of petty vengeance they use more partners money to float an unrealistic proposal just to tweak ETP.... well let me tell you... that was some tweak and they must be rolling on the floor laughing as their cash machine counts EPDs money

    These acts would indicate incompetence that is not worthy of a kick in the rear on the way out the door... they need to be kicked in the nuts ... and then in the teeth when they bend over in pain

    How about a statement of accountability and a head on a plate out of EPD if your scenario is remotely accurate

    That $1Billion they will fork over to ETP equates to a 1X special to partners of $.50/unit.... and I don't know about you but that's a nice 5 figure amount for me.... of course... nothing I should get my nuts all twisted over now is it... their screw up cost me about $12K if that Billion $ had been paid to partners instead of ETP

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Dec 15, 2014 9:50 AM Flag

    IF that were to be true than mgmt. just used partners money at a shot in the dark hoping to get lucky... good mgmt does not waste money to antagonize a competitor... IF they did that team should have a boot print on their rear end

    The landscape has changed... MLPs are in for some tough sledding

    The euphoria of the lower energy prices will result in consumer splurging just as the FED was about to change policy to tightening... It will guarantee they move in the first Q.... and that will affect the sector negatively... as the tide recedes the sector and EPD will take their medicine... and it will not be pretty when you are already 20% off your high

    This is not time for feel goodcrap.... its time for reality

  • mktplyr517 mktplyr517 Dec 12, 2014 3:48 PM Flag

    if you cant grow by pushing into the Bakken where is the growth going to come from?

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