% | $
Quotes you view appear here for quick access.

BOK Financial Corporation Message Board

moefoeq4 11 posts  |  Last Activity: Feb 10, 2009 10:04 PM Member since: Oct 15, 2008
SortNewest  |  Oldest  |  Highest Rated Expand all messages
  • Reply to

    delisting in coming in 50 days

    by yostru Feb 9, 2009 11:07 PM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Feb 10, 2009 10:04 PM Flag

    The DELIST will occur 50 days from today, my friend. Notice how all insiders have stopped buying? They just can't, for the life of themselves, get this dog up to a freakin' dollar. I told ya that Sue would give up. Hahaha!!

    All the Kings horses and all the King's men...

  • "Net revenues reflect a 17.3 percent decrease in comparable store sales, and a 23.0 percent decrease in net revenues from its direct channel compared to fourth quarter of fiscal 2007. "

    OK, 25 cents is too aggressive. How about ten cents? Only insiders will hang on to this crap! GOLF is headed for bankruptcy...just watch.

  • From

    We've downgraded financial holding company BOK Financial(BOKF Quote - Cramer on BOKF - Stock Picks) from buy to hold. Strengths include its expanding profit margins and good cash flow from operations. However, we also find weaknesses including a decline in the stock price during the past year, disappointing return on equity and feeble growth in the company's earnings per share.

    BOK's gross profit margin of 61.7% is rather high, having increased since the same quarter last year, and it's net profit margin of 14.3% outperforms the industry average. Net operating cash flow rose 32.8% to $137.8 million since the year-ago quarter, though BOK is still growing at a significantly lower rate than the industry average of 117.5%. Revenue dropped 3.4%, underperforming the industry average of 8.3%, and return on equity decreased slightly, implying a minor weakness in the organization.
    Shares are down 26.1% on the year, but don't assume that the stock can now be tagged as cheap and attractive. Based on its current price in relation to its earnings, BOK is still more expensive than most of the other companies in its industry.

  • Reply to

    Golfsmith is dying

    by jca12321 Jan 16, 2009 3:04 PM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Jan 20, 2009 1:28 AM Flag

    No need to ask him "where" unless you are trying to root him out. Do your own research. If layoffs are taking place, it will be easy to confirm.

  • Reply to


    by moefoeq4 Dec 31, 2008 6:56 PM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Jan 4, 2009 9:44 AM Flag

    Illiquidity. Mediocre upper management. Non improving same store sales.

    I find nothing positive about 2008 numbers. GOLF was at 4 bucks in January 08. When it gets to 25 cents (mid '09?), it will be worth buying.

  • moefoeq4 by moefoeq4 Dec 31, 2008 6:56 PM Flag

    Price moved up??? Dude are you kidding me? Any movement is just insiders trying to pump up price. Hell, it's probably Sue Gove. She has been constantly buying the high side for each of her daily purchases since she was hired. Must be in her contract.

    Have you looked at the charts to see that this dog is at it's lowest price EVER? Golf pretty much is dead. It will sink even to a new low next week. Sue, can't keep this up. They don't pay her enough.

  • Reply to

    GOLF is circling the toilet bowl...

    by moefoeq4 Nov 1, 2008 12:09 AM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Dec 18, 2008 10:42 PM Flag

    Monday, December 08, 2008
    Golf In Trouble?
    MSNBC Contributor David Sweet says the housing market’s collapse is hampering development of new golf courses. Further, as the economy worsens, the golf industry is in trouble.

    According to the National Golf Foundation (NGF), the number of new courses expected to open in the United States in 2008 is the smallest in 20 years. More courses are scheduled to close this year (nearly 100) than the 80 expected to open, though the closures have fallen since almost 150 were shut down two years ago. The golf construction boom of the 1990s – when about 2,500 new courses (mostly daily fee ones) were added to the 13,000 or so already extant in the U.S. – is not only over; it’s stuck in reverse.

    The problems of the broad economy are bedeviling golf course construction. The housing market’s collapse has hampered development, since a number of golf projects these days are tied into on-site housing. Getting financing to build a new course is tougher than it has been in decades. Projects that were started this year have seen the bulldozers turned off until better times appear.

    Consider Rick Jacobson, a golf course architect in Libertyville, Ill. For nearly two decades, the founder of Jacobson Golf Course Design designed and renovated courses in Chicago suburbs, such as Bloomingdale and Winnetka, as well as nationally. But in the last few years, Jacobson – who has worked with Jack Nicklaus on a number of projects – has focused on a new market: China.

    Last month, Jacobson agreed to design a 27-hole course in Hong Kong. It’s his third venture in China, following the 36-hole Lion’s Lake Resort course near Guangzhou and Chaozhou, an 18-hole resort course.

    ”In the foreseeable future we won't see growth like the 1990s in the U.S. again,” said Jacobson, who also agreed to design a course in the Italian province of Calabria this year. “Some of the projects were ill-conceived. Some courses were just a temporary fad until they could flip it to a developer."

    When it comes to those sports whose purpose is to attract public participation, it’s hard to match golf for the scope and expanse of what needs to be created. Bowling? Buy a couple of acres of land and construct 10 lanes with a bar nearby. Tennis? Two hard courts take up as much space as a suburban backyard; upkeep is minimal.

    But building a golf course in the United States is a process that takes years. Finding 200 acres of suitable land near a reasonable population center is just the start. Attracting money and securing permits is another time-consuming venture.

    Jacobson shakes his head at some of the public hearings he’s endured in the U.S.

    "One landowner said he didn't want a golf course because golfers are known to smoke cigars. He didn't want cigar smoke in his house,” Jacobson recalled. “One said with drivers, the decibel of hitting the ball exceeded the sound range allowable.”

    But in 2008, golf is in decline by many measures. Rounds are down, as is the sale of equipment. On the pro tour, television ratings fell once Tiger Woods left the scene with a damaged knee after the U.S. Open at San Diego’s Torrey Pines.

    Though municipal courses are taking the brunt of the downturn (except perhaps Torrey Pines, which enjoyed $8 million in renovations before the Open), private courses are not immune to the pain. Take the case of Ravisloe Country Club in Homewood, Ill. After 107 years as a well-respected course, the 6,300-yard Donald Ross original was reported to have been put up for sale this fall with a price tag of $4.95 million. It is said only a few dozen members are left.

    All in all, the golf course business was once as breathtaking as the ocean holes at Pebble Beach. These days, unfortunately, it’s looking more like Rodney Dangerfield’s wardrobe in “Caddyshack.”

    To contact David Sweet, email

  • Reply to

    GOLF is circling the toilet bowl...

    by moefoeq4 Nov 1, 2008 12:09 AM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Dec 9, 2008 1:42 AM Flag

    Things are going to get much worse for GOLFSMITH!
    More Americans Are Giving Up Golf

    Published: February 21, 2008
    HAUPPAUGE, N.Y. — The men gathered in a new golf clubhouse here a couple of weeks ago circled the problem from every angle, like caddies lining up a shot out of the rough.

    “We have to change our mentality,” said Richard Rocchio, a public relations consultant.

    “The problem is time,” offered Walter Hurney, a real estate developer. “There just isn’t enough time. Men won’t spend a whole day away from their family anymore.”

    The total number of people who play has declined or remained flat each year since 2000, dropping to about 26 million from 30 million, according to the National Golf Foundation and the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association.

    More troubling to golf boosters, the number of people who play 25 times a year or more fell to 4.6 million in 2005 from 6.9 million in 2000, a loss of about a third.

    The industry now counts its core players as those who golf eight or more times a year. That number, too, has fallen, but more slowly: to 15 million in 2006 from 17.7 million in 2000, according to the National Golf Foundation.

    The disappearance of golfers over the past several years is part of a broader decline in outdoor activities — including tennis, swimming, hiking, biking and downhill skiing — according to a number of academic and recreation industry studies.

    A 2006 study by the United States Tennis Association, which has battled the trend somewhat successfully with a forceful campaign to recruit young players, found that punishing hurricane seasons factored into the decline of play in the South, while the soaring popularity of electronic games and newer sports like skateboarding was diminishing the number of new tennis players everywhere.

    Rodney B. Warnick, a professor of recreation studies and tourism at the University of Massachusetts, said that the aging population of the United States was probably a part of the problem, too, and that “there is a younger generation that is just not as active.”

    But golf, a sport of long-term investors — both those who buy the expensive equipment and those who build the princely estates on which it is played — has always seemed to exist in a world above the fray of shifting demographics. Not anymore.

    Jim Kass, the research director of the National Golf Foundation, an industry group, said the gradual but prolonged slump in golf has defied the adage, “Once a golfer, always a golfer.” About three million golfers quit playing each year, and slightly fewer than that have been picking it up. A two-year campaign by the foundation to bring new players into the game, he said, “hasn’t shown much in the way of results.”

    “The man in the street will tell you that golf is booming because he sees Tiger Woods on TV,” Mr. Kass said. “But we track the reality. The reality is, while we haven’t exactly tanked, the numbers have been disappointing for some time.”

  • Golf's popularity on the decline around Dallas

    08:56 PM CDT on Wednesday, October 15, 2008
    By DAVE LEVINTHAL / The Dallas Morning News

    A popular area pastime isn't as popular as it used to be: In 2007, the number of nine-hole golf rounds played at Dallas municipal golf courses declined by 6.5 percent from the year before, Dallas City Hall statistics indicate.

    "Golf has kind of been on the decline nationally," Dallas City Manager Mary Suhm said.

    In fact, Dallas recorded fewer nine-hole golf rounds in 2007 (479,398), than it did in 2004 (494,848), 2005 (481,566) or 2006 (512,036).

  • moefoeq4 by moefoeq4 Oct 27, 2008 12:05 AM Flag

    Course openings at a 20-year low


    U.S. golf course developers are on track to post the lowest number of openings in two decades, according to the National Golf Foundation. Measured in 18-hole equivalents, 65 courses have opened so far this year and NGF estimates, based on the number of courses currently under construction, that another 10 to 20 will open by December 31. That would bring total 2008 openings to 75-85 18-hole equivalents, the lowest number in more than 20 years.

    "This is the second time this year we have lowered our forecast of golf course openings," says Joe Beditz, NGF president and chief executive officer. "The economic situation, particularly the continued decline in the housing market, has and will continue to suppress golf course development activity in the U.S."

    As NGF tracks golf courses that are projected to open during a given year, it’s not unusual for many of them to be delayed into the next calendar year or even put on hold indefinitely. This year, due in part to a sluggish economy, more projects than usual are being delayed. Looking at courses that were projected to open recently, there are a variety of reasons cited for the delay:

    • Waiting for the housing market to pick up;
    • Construction taking longer than expected ;
    • Financing issues; and
    • Snags in the permitting process.

    While openings continue to fall, so do course closures. So far this year there have been 74 verified course closures and NGF currently forecasts the number of closures to be less than 100 by year’s end. There were 146 closures in 2006 and 122 in 2007. Therefore it appears that 2008 will be the third year in a row with zero to slightly negative net growth in supply (openings and closures canceling each other out). NGF points out that closures continue to be disproportionately public, stand-alone 9-hole facilities or short courses (executive or par-3 length) with a value price point.

    Wednesday, October 22, 2008

  • Reply to

    Father's day

    by moefoeq3 Jun 3, 2008 1:08 AM
    moefoeq4 moefoeq4 Oct 15, 2008 1:10 AM Flag

    Whoops...I see you sliping into yet another 52 week low. Bitter? no Right? of course.

    See ya at $1.00

60.51-0.05(-0.08%)Mar 27 4:00 PMEDT