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  • Reply to

    Latest from SXL on Mriner West-East

    by moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:41 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 6:04 PM Flag

    there are actually 7 parts with community actions down to July 11 but yahoo may have dropped the posts

  • Reply to

    Latest from SXL on Mriner West-East

    by moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:41 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 6:02 PM Flag

    could these community issues delay start up of both mariner 1 and 2 plans by sxl. looks like sxl should have went the public utility route initially before raising all of the emotions instead of late into the project

  • Reply to

    Latest from SXL on Mriner West-East

    by moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:41 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:58 PM Flag

    part 5

    WEST BRADFORD – Township supervisors agreed on Tuesday to write a letter to the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission in opposition of Sunoco Logistics seeking public utility status for its Mariner East project.

    Sunoco is in the process of seeking the designation for its pumping stations and valve controls in 31 municipalities across Pennsylvania for its Mariner East Pipeline.

    The issue first came to light in Chester County in West Goshen, where Sunoco is proposing a pumping station for the line. After appearing before township officials there several times, Sunoco decided to seek public utility status in a move that would allow it to bypass obtaining local approval from the municipalities the line runs through.

    West Bradford Township Manager Tommy Ryan said the letter will be similar to what other local township officials submitted last month by asking the PUC to not exempt Sunoco from following the Pennsylvania Municipal Planning Code and local zoning ordinances.

    West Bradford joins West Whiteland and West Pikeland as well as West Goshen in opposition to Sunoco’s public utility request. In addition, the Chester County Commissioners wrote a letter on June 6 to the PUC asking them to ensure that Sunoco complies with local zoning ordinances.

    Ryan said that such letters are “asking the PUC to consider the application’s effect on local zoning ordinances.”

    The letter will also be in support of the Pennsylvania State Association of Township Supervisors, or PSATS, which sent its own letter “opposing any efforts that might give Sunoco ... the ability to circumvent local control.”

    PSATS submitted the letter to the PUC on April 21, asking the commission to reject Sunoco’s request for public utility status.

  • Reply to

    Latest from SXL on Mriner West-East

    by moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:41 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 12, 2014 5:49 PM Flag

    Part 1

    By Andrew Maykuth, Inquirer Staff Writer-phillynews
    May 01, 2014

    Sunoco Pipeline L.P. said Tuesday that it was switching strategies in its effort to move Marcellus Shale products to Marcus Hook and avoid local zoning hurdles.

    The company said it was withdrawing an application for a controversial pumping station in Chester County on its cross-state pipeline called Mariner East. Instead, Sunoco is concentrating on getting the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission to rule that it is a public utility corporation and therefore exempt from cumbersome local zoning.

    Sunoco Pipeline was scheduled to appear Thursday before the zoning hearing board in West Goshen, where it has applied for a variance to build a pumping station at Boot Road and Route 202, one of 17 pump stations along its 299-mile pipeline project.

    "The Public Utility Commission's open hearing process, by law, is the appropriate public venue for approval of buildings related to the pipeline," said Jeffrey Shields, a spokesman for the parent company, Sunoco Logistics Partners L.P.

    Sunoco wants to open Mariner East this year to transport Marcellus Shale natural gas liquids such as propane and ethane from Western Pennsylvania to Marcus Hook, whence it would be exported or distributed locally.

    The Mariner East project involves repurposing an eight-inch diameter steel pipeline built in 1931 that delivered refined petroleum products from Philadelphia refineries to Western Pennsylvania. Sunoco is repairing the pipeline and installing new pumps and valves along the route.

    Sunoco has operated a pump station near the Boot Road site for decades, near a 1959 residential development. But the new project has triggered a backlash from residents concerned about safety of the pump stations.

    "I don't think they liked the reception they got last week," said Lilli B. Middlebrooks, a lawyer who represents residents in the zoni

  • =Comprehensive Marcellus Shale Pipeline Solution

    =Strong demand for NGL takeaway capacity out of the Marcellus

    -Successful Open Seasons for both Mariner West and Mariner East 1

    -Open Season Launched for Mariner East 2

    -Marcus Hook Industrial

    =Mariner West

    -Ethane pipeline from Houston, PA to Sarnia, Ontario

    -Line fill commenced 3Q 2013

    -4Q 2013 at ~20 MB/D

    -Ramping up to ~50 MB/D by end of 2Q 2014 (expandable)

    =Mariner East 1

    -Propane and Ethane pipeline from Houston, PA to the Marcus Hook Facility

    -70 MB/D capacity

    -2H 2014: propane start-up; mid-2015: ethane and propane

    =Mariner East 2 (Open Season Launched)

    -NGLs from Marcellus and Utica Shales to Marcus Hook Facility

    -Expected to be operational in 4Q 2016

  • Reply to

    A Tax Question About ETP

    by retired_forever_more Jul 9, 2014 3:40 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 11, 2014 2:55 PM Flag

    priamrily a roc, but also get a portion of sxl and propane co results

  • July 3, 2014 flyonthewall
    08:35 EDT AR, GPOR, MHR Antero Utica wells look 'by far the best overall,' says RBC Capital
    After the Ohio Department of Natural Resources released data on 91 net Utica wells that came online in Q1, RBC says Antero Resources' (AR) Utica wells looked to be "by far the best overall." The firm says Antero had five of the top 10 overall producers on a Boepd basis, and nine of the top 10 wells in terms of oil production alone. RBC views Gulfport Energy's (GPOR) wells as solid and notes Magnum Hunter (MHR) had the best well in the sample with a rate of 3,848 Boepd over eight days.

  • Reply to

    Fractionation primer in gulf today

    by nymarv10956 Jul 3, 2014 10:55 AM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 8, 2014 4:43 PM Flag

    informative conclusion to second article that at least was not intuitively obvious

    "...Once these expansion plans by EPD, Targa, ONEOK and Lone Star are complete, Mont Belvieu will likely have most (if not all) of the fractionation capacity it will need for the foreseeable future. Why? A big portion of incremental NGL production for the balance of this decade will be in the Utica and the wet Marcellus, and we think most of that new production will be fractionated close to production—that is, in the Utica/Marcellus region itself. In the next episode in this series, we will update NGL production growth, fractionator projects, and NGL-related pipelines in the Utica/Marcellus, and what it all means for Mont Belvieu...."

  • From RBN: In December 2013, Targa announced a joint venture with Kinder Morgan Energy Partners to provide fractionation services in Mont Belvieu to Utica/Marcellus producers that sign up to move mixed NGLs on a joint venture pipeline being developed by Kinder Morgan and MarkWest Energy Partners – the Utica Marcellus Texas Pipeline (UMTP). We understand that the project has yet to receive enough customer commitments to proceed – likely due to competing Utica/Marcellus fractionation. We’ll get back to this issue in a subsequent episode of this blog series. Targa and Kinder Morgan have indicated that two fractionation trains (Cedar Bayou Train 5 and Train 6) of as-yet-unannounced capacity would be built to handle both UMTP and other mixed NGLs.

    Targa executives said during the company’s May 1 quarterly earnings call that, given the increasing production of NGLs in the Permian Basin, the Eagle Ford and the Mid-Continent region, there are other potential commercial needs for the two new trains planned at Mont Belvieu beyond UMTP. Like EPD, Targa is working to expand the potential for NGL-related exports, knowing that the easy ability to ship purity products from Mont Belvieu to overseas customers adds value to Targa’s fractionation service. In September 2013, Targa started commercial operation of the first phase of an export expansion project at its Galena Park Marine Terminal near Houston. Phase I of this project expanded Targa’s export capability at Galena Park to 133 Mb/d of propane and/or butane. (Included in Targa’s Phase I expansion is the capability to export international-grade “low-e” propane, which means propane with an ethane content of less than 2.5%.) Construction is underway on a project to expand Targa’s propane/butane export capacity by another 67 Mb/d, for a total of up to 200 Mb/d. Phase II is scheduled to come online within the next two or three months. By the way, Targa moves product between Mont Belvieu and Galena Park via three pipelines:...

  • Reply to

    next distribution

    by disabledretiree Jun 23, 2014 9:03 AM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 2, 2014 8:14 PM Flag

    disable so sorry about the Alzheimers. you still spell well. 1.47 for ye 2014 which is generally considered the 4th quarter which is paid in Feb 2015

  • Reply to

    July Distribution & Acquisitions Going Forward

    by nosweat82 Jun 19, 2014 10:48 PM
    moneyonomics moneyonomics Jul 2, 2014 8:10 PM Flag

    glad you were right at 2.01 and i was wrong at 2.00

  • Greater investment in infrastructure needed to ensure rising US NGL production reaches international markets.
    see mlp or bry iv boards for article

  • S&P on EROC
    The following is a press release from Standard & Poor's:

    -- On Dec. 23, 2013, Eagle Rock Energy Partners L.P. announced a

    definitive agreement to sell its midstream business to Regency Partners for

    total consideration of up to $1.325 billion.

    -- We believe that Eagle Rock's business profile will be weaker following

    the transaction, more than offsetting improvement in the company's credit

    protection measures.

    -- We are lowering our corporate credit rating on Eagle Rock to 'B-' from

    'B'. The rating on the senior unsecured notes remains 'B' and on CreditWatch

    with positive implications.

    -- The stable outlook reflects our expectation that Eagle Rock will

    maintain adequate liquidity and that it will manage acquisitions, capital

    spending, and distributions prudently.

    NEW YORK (Standard & Poor's) June 30, 2014--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services

    said today it lowered its corporate credit rating on Houston-based oil and gas

    exploration and production company Eagle Rock Energy Partners L.P. to 'B-'

    from 'B'. The outlook is stable.

    The rating on the company's senior unsecured notes remains 'B'. We are

    maintaining the recovery rating on these notes at '4'. The rating remains on

    CreditWatch with positive implications, where it was placed on Dec. 23, 2013,

    pending the close of the midstream transaction with Regency. Eagle Rock will

    be transferring its $550 million of senior unsecured notes into an equivalent

    amount of Regency senior unsecured notes with the same terms.

    The downgrade reflects the announcement that the company has received final

    regulatory approval from the Federal Trade Commission necessary for the close

    of the acquisition by Regency Partners.

    "The outlook is stable because we do not expect to raise or lower the rating

    on Eagle Rock during the next 12 months. This assumes that the company will

    maintain adequate liquidity and that production and costs will be consistent

    with our expectations," said Standard & Poor's credit

  • Finally, Range signed two new fixed-term ethane sales agreements, one with an affiliate of South Africa's Sasol (NYSE: SSL ) for 10,000 barrels of ethane per day for a multiyear term and other to supply a planned petrochemical complex in West Virginia with 5,000 barrels of ethane per day for a term of 15 years. Both agreements are subject to successful completion of the projects.

  • moneyonomics moneyonomics Jun 27, 2014 4:36 PM Flag

    Barclays on Condensate Export
    Msg 142403 of 142412 at 6/27/2014 12:46:45 PM from bry board by


    We believe condensate exports could help prevent

    growing supply of light oils from overwhelming US markets and forcing US prices down

    in future years. The forward WTI-Brent spread has already fallen ~$1 since the ruling

    and will likely average $7-9 rather than the $12/bbl spread implied by ‘16-‘17 forward

    prices. This suggests US prices will average of $3-5/bbl higher than what they would

    have otherwise. We assume condensate prices will benefit by an extra +/- $2.

    Most field condensates are extracted using stabilizers (i.e. distillation columns). The

    Commerce Department view appears to be that the distillation process will qualify the

    condensate for export. There are many uses for distillation columns – but this ruling

    appears to apply only to one of the simpler uses – as a condensate stabilizer. The

    condensate stabilizer creates 2 streams – a volatile gas stream (methane and ethane)

    and heavier, stabilized, condensate (propane, or c3+) that is safe to transport to market.

    A condensate splitter or NGL fractionation plant also use distillation columns – but the

    purpose is to “split” the mixed hydrocarbon stream into several higher-value product


  • moneyonomics moneyonomics Jun 26, 2014 5:21 PM Flag

    part 2

    "... If the BIS did make such a change then the implications could run deep. For starters, if condensate can be exported after stabilization, then much of the condensate currently produced in the US – a number RBN estimates as at least 1.2 MMb/d today and expects to increase to 1.6 MMb/d by 2018 – would be eligible for export. That means producers would realize a higher price for condensate in overseas markets where demand is greater than here in the US (e.g. Asia). The change would also relieve pressure on US Gulf Coast light sweet crude prices such as Light Louisiana Sweet (LLS) that have been weighed down by a flood of light crude and condensate barrels descending on refineries not able to process those barrels easily. If the lightest crude can be exported, it would no longer compete for space in domestic refineries meaning crude prices should increase – at least initially. Many producers are hoping that this development is just the first notch in a general BIS retreat from the export ban that would end the regulations for good.

    Wait and See

    Of course, it is entirely possible that the special exemptions for Pioneer and Enterprise are no more than trial balloons – in effect BIS test cases to determine the market impact – and perhaps the political impact – of relaxing export regulations. But assuming some kind of change has really occurred to BIS definitions, producers and midstream companies would be well advised to wait and see the details before jumping on the bandwagon. The crude vs. lease condensate distinction requires more than a verbal definition using the word “condensate”. And a waiver of the export rules has to require more than just “processing through a stabilizer” as a condition. Otherwise, what is to stop crude producers simply putting their regular crude through a stabilizer to classify it for export?..."

  • moneyonomics moneyonomics Jun 26, 2014 5:19 PM Flag

    for those wwithout access to rbn some points-part 1

    "The implication of yesterday’s WSJ story and reported follow up statements from one of the companies that has received a ruling from the BIS – Pioneer – is that in this instance at least - the BIS may have changed or loosened or “redefined” what is meant by “processed though a crude oil distillation tower” to include a wellhead process called stabilization that is less complex and/or expensive to carry out than either a condensate splitter or a conventional refinery. In fact, condensate stabilization units are in common use at many Eagle Ford wellhead production facilities or at crude gathering points such as the Plains terminal at Gardendale, TX."

    Splitting Hairs

    An important distinction between a condensate stabilizer and a condensate splitter in the context of this discussion is that the stabilizer is designed to make lease condensate stable and safe for transportation on pipelines and the splitter is designed to break condensate into its component fractions such as naphtha, propane, butane and distillates. A stabilizer outputs condensate, a splitter outputs condensate components. So even if condensate stabilizers are getting more sophisticated these days, they are not designed to split out component fractions.

    What Does The Change Mean?

    So the question of the day is whether or not the BIS has made a subtle change to the definition of what constitutes processing to transform lease condensate into a product that can be exported? In other words, can producers export field condensate once is has passed through a stabilization unit? The answer is unclear based on what we know so far because the statements made have not been specific as to the process required. As we said earlier, this whole thing could be a trial balloon from the BIS to test the waters and see what the response is....

  • moneyonomics moneyonomics Jun 25, 2014 8:13 PM Flag

    ny agree they can modify plans if they have not already ordered the equipment as a stabilizer is cheaper to build than a splitter . that was why the kudos to mwe as they chose the simplistic cheaper route before going all in which was discussed at investor conference. ngls is my second largest holding and may not be too far along yet on splitter from recent presentation "35 Mbbl/d condensate splitter located at the Channelview Terminal expected to be completed 18 months after permitting is complete". "TRP has begun permitting, and expects the splitter to be inservice
    18 months after completion of the permitting process", just hope they have not yet ordered all of the equipment

  • Msg 142256 of 142257 at 6/25/2014 2:04:18 PM bry bord by


    Condensate Export Ruling Jeopardizes Splitter Projects: Barclays

    By Barbara Powell
    June 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. approving stabilized
    condensates for export as processed petroleum could delay
    billion-dollar projects to separate ultra-light crude into
    products, Michael Cohen, an analyst at Barclays Capital, says in
    * Decision raises questions about viability of midstream co.-
    announced condensate splitters, hydroskimming units, pre-
    flash towers
    * Short term mkt implications support narrowing of Brent-LLS
    spread; widespread lifting of crude export ban is “out of
    the question” w/o lifting of Jones Act too

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