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netlosstoo 61 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 29, 2015 2:04 AM Member since: Feb 24, 2003
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  • Reply to

    Calms average selling price so far Q1 over 2.25

    by eggtrader Jul 28, 2015 3:59 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jul 29, 2015 2:04 AM Flag

    == We still haven't figured out their leverage to higher prices ==

    You have not ... not we

  • Reply to

    Manufactured miss

    by chillb67 Jul 20, 2015 9:30 AM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jul 21, 2015 4:02 AM Flag

    nice call Chillb .... ---- CALM IMO will end the day higher ----

  • The voice of the few are deciding the cage / cage free debate. What about families on much tighter budgets?

    CALM will produce what the consumer wants ... caged ... free ranged .. or cage free ... seems like another regressive cost put on the middle class.

    But who knows ... caged eggs might be one of those things a society 100 years from now thinks "why would they ever do that to chickens?"

  • Reply to

    Fantasic post from the PPC board

    by youandme1998 Jul 9, 2015 10:33 AM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jul 9, 2015 11:09 PM Flag

    So China and many SE Asia countries are banning the importation of genetic stock from US and UK where over 90% of the genetic source comes from. Not a problem now ... but no grandparent stock imported now means no parent stock to lay the broiler eggs later on ... in about a year it could be a big problem for China ...
    this is a huge investing opportunity ... and I don't capitalize huge because I really don't want others to recognize it ... I read the article in Watts about 10 times over the 4th ... there is also a very good article about it on SA .... who will benefit most? what happens if the ban is not lifted in U.S.? ... one must think about SAFM and their domestic flocks ... PPC and their US and Latin American flocks ... TSN owns flocks in china and US ... JBSAY owns PPC stock ... just bought a EU chicken producer and has Brazilian chicken they are the largest producer in the world I believe ...think about YUM and BRFS and others ... think about it a lot ... and think about when and which companies to bet on ... we have a year ... but others will catch on as to how huge this will be ... I will probably not say another word about this until all my bets are placed ... please do not give this post a thumbs up

  • Reply to

    IPO

    by netlosstoo Jun 21, 2015 6:23 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jul 9, 2015 1:26 AM Flag

    was scheduled for a week or two ago ... but they must not have had support for their $19. asking price ... so postponed indefinitely

  • Reply to

    Hopefully CALM will fall 1-2 dollars

    by eggtrader Jun 22, 2015 9:04 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 24, 2015 10:22 AM Flag

    Chill, eggtrader and friends and others here have been way ahead of the analysts in anticipating the rising egg prices and earnings as a result of the bird flu ... the bird flu premium included in CALM stock price can be calculated fairly easily ... all you have to do is make assumptions on price ... analysts are telling you what their assumption of price is for the next year ... are they reasonable? IMO yes ... given 30+ m drop in hens to 271m at June 1 ... do prices need to rise from these levels? yes ... last year UB MW large averaged over $2 in December w/o bird flu ... egg prices will need to be significantly more this year to achieve analyst estimates ... May and June are the industry's slowest months and historically egg prices have been lowest in these months ... yet MW UB L is trading at about $2! ... if you trade either long or short in CALM shares you must have an idea of the bird flu premium ... for now the analysts estimates seem reasonable IMO

    **Please don't tell me you are trading based on those self serving analyst reports.**

  • Reply to

    IPO

    by netlosstoo Jun 21, 2015 6:23 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 24, 2015 9:46 AM Flag

    P/E reasonable at about 5 times

  • netlosstoo by netlosstoo Jun 21, 2015 6:23 PM Flag

    I don't have anything to say ... just wanted to have the first post on the WNFM board

    Operating margins similar to SAFM and PPC ... PE reasonable at about ... they've paid out all their prior year earnings in LLC distributions .. WNFM will use $$'s to pay off half their debt so interest exp. will be lower next year ... if you like the chicken industry right now, its an ok investment ... but i'd still prefer SAFM

  • Reply to

    for the eggsperts

    by williewonk Jun 18, 2015 3:14 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 18, 2015 8:53 PM Flag

    So one of the Michael flocks that tested positive passed the quarantine period with no more positives ... so they get to live! ... POST has an impact update ... not near as bad as most thought. .. including me ... CALM is trading with a "bird flu premium" ... know your estimate of the premium and know the stock was trading at about $40 before the bird flu ... your bird flu premium should include 1) the bonus earnings for the next two years 2) the long term premium ... when your opponent trips in a race and you advance ... then you have a better chance of winning 3) a discount factor for the chance that CALM hens get infected at some point in the future.... $15 valuation of the bird flu premium seems about right given what we know now ... but there are a wide range of probable egg prices for the next yaer ... so we will see ... I think you can almost play the spikes in the egg prices over the next three months with your trading shares because of all the uncertainty ... but when the fall spike comes you will likely want to own CALM shares.

  • Reply to

    usda reports

    by netlosstoo Jun 15, 2015 12:30 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 17, 2015 1:45 AM Flag

    Des Moines, IA Tue. Jun 16, 2015 USDA Market News

    SHELL EGGS: Daily Midwest Regional Eggs

    Producer prices are 8 cents lower. Midwest delivered asking prices are
    steady. The undertone is sharply lower

  • netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 16, 2015 2:10 AM Flag

    Island you can look at the decade ended 2002 and see CALM made less than $10m total. In the ten years ended 2014 CALM made over $600m. There are more dozens and more specialty but the profit per dozen has been way more in the last 10 years, especially for generics. Corn traded mostly in the $2 to $3 range in the decade ended 2002, while it has traded mostly in the $3 to $8 range for the last 10 years.

    The egg industry reacts quickly to rising feed costs. Older hens that lay an egg every other day might pencil out with $3 corn but might not with $6 corn. Those hens are disposed of early which results in reduced supply. Producers are reluctant to add capacity with $5 plus corn and have added very few hens over the last ten years. But look at the recent jump from 290 to 305m and all the intended capacity increases announced in the last year as producers see $4 corn and $1.50 egg prices.

    Rising corn prices now might detour further expansion in the next two years as the bird are repopulated from the flu. My fear is that the bird flu might mask an oversupply situation in the next year and that when all the egg farms are re-populated we will suddenly see 325m hens and 90 cent eggs at Xmas 2017.

  • netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 15, 2015 4:28 PM Flag

    Stephens mentioned they were the lowest at the investor day and the low increased from $7.50 ... Also I think eggtrader mentioned stephens raised their estimate. .... good question on the vaccination ... my guess is the virus will mutate and likely be less strong this fall... but it also might be like the human flu virus and any vaccine might only be 50 to 90% effective ... but it only takes a few birds in one house to result in millions of hens lost ... so in my thinking the vaccine issue is a non-issue ... CALM either dodges the bullet or doesn't ... I think there were other parts of the corn belt that had some flooding ... ending stocks might not be higher this year ... but probably not too much lower either ... CALM does better with higher corn prices ... so i'd like to see $5-$6 corn in 2017 as the industry works its way out of the bird flu issue

  • netlosstoo by netlosstoo Jun 15, 2015 12:30 PM Flag

    dried egg inventories ... a leading indicator .. at lowest points since 2008

    Shell egg inventories down y/y but not as much as dried

    Shell egg demand indicator shows resistance from buyers to the higher egg prices

    IMO the most significant egg price test will happen in November / December when demand is at its peak ... any guesses on peek UB MW L? ... $3.50?

  • netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 5, 2015 5:50 PM Flag

    Hmmm ….. now I’m confused

    today:
    I agree that they probably lost 60% of their hens. I never said they did not

    four days ago:
    Post's own chickens only account for 25% of the egg volume. they buy the rest. so if the lose 35% then they have lost 8%.

  • Reply to

    Demand Elasticity

    by netlosstoo Jun 5, 2015 11:47 AM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 5, 2015 4:40 PM Flag

    So you would think that if someone was unloading eggs below market (cost plus when market is high) it would always suppress the market price to the point everyone would eventually be selling at cost plus. But buyers are going to buy all they can at cost plus when the market is high and this might leave a higher demand for the remaining eggs and more profit for those selling at market. Kind of like you take the low road I’ll take the high road. Seems counterintuitive which makes me second guess my thinking on that.

    The seasonal demand really has me guessing for this year … when you think about the things you mentioned … no really good substitute for eggs … and on average only an egg a day consumed … I hesitate to print the egg pricing I’m thinking of for December 10.

    Now Jaq … you do NOT want to read this next sentence … but everyone should keep this in mind for next December, especially if CALM shares rise up to the $70 range … but if you listen to that Stephens webcast … Dolph mentions he was thinking the market may have been a bit over supplied for the holidays this year … but that was before AI … so be careful once supply is back … but then again you could have smaller lesser players with older facilities that just quit after being devastated by AI … keep it in mind as we ride north.

  • netlosstoo by netlosstoo Jun 5, 2015 11:47 AM Flag

    Interesting Q review and interesting response Island.

    Another question: When some in the industry clear /sell eggs using cost plus formulas, which can be significantly below market does that increase per capita egg consumption and artificially support the price for eggs sold on market?

  • Reply to

    stephens

    by netlosstoo Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 2, 2015 11:22 PM Flag

    So CALM does break out co-pack dz in the 10Q .. for Q3 they produced 203.6m dz .. purchased from 3rd parties 79.5m dz ... of those 3rd party purchases 5.6m were co-pack ... I think CALM will only benefit fully from the AI spike for those 203.6m dz eggs they produce the rest are bought and sold on market with little to no profit ... the vaccination info was new to me too ... can't see how they can make producers wait for an untested vaccine ... I listened to the SAFM presentation too ... Joe seems to think food service / restaurant demand will be strong in 2016 ... but the same constraints around breeders that Joe talks about are applicable to the egg industry as well ... Joe is great to listen to ... he thinks egg guys are lazy in their approach to finding out how AI is getting into their flocks

  • Reply to

    stephens

    by netlosstoo Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo Jun 2, 2015 9:58 PM Flag

    CALM spoke at the Stephens Spring investor conference ... they talked about 40 min mostly about AI and their contracts .... as you mentioned, CALM can raise prices on Specialty eggs ... one supplier was hit and CALM will go to the spot market to fill some orders ... CALM always loses a little bit (a few cents) when they go to the spot market to fill orders ... that's with or with out AI ... Analysts had a really hard time understanding how the hens would be repopulated gradually over about a year and a half ...once these facilities are approved to reopen ..which may be months ... go to CALM website ... events to listen .. Farha Aslam has been stephens ag analyst for many years ... she's pretty good.

  • netlosstoo by netlosstoo Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM Flag

    ok ... Farha is doing a really good job of getting to the bottom of pricing with 3rd party suppliers and with customers ... largely what we have discussed with not much surprise... confirmation that specialty prices will rise as discussed as non-specialty are now higher than specialty... which I was not sure would happen

  • Reply to

    So How long does it take to repopulate?

    by eggtrader May 30, 2015 4:05 PM
    netlosstoo netlosstoo May 30, 2015 7:14 PM Flag

    Eggtrader … I tend to agree that it will be more than one and a half years before we see 300m U.S. hens again … so even after disinfecting every inch of your barns … does a producer want to place hens while the virus is still hitting others in the neighborhood? If I was a producer I’d want to wait at least 3 months with no new cases before placing hens … and what happens to all those pullets that were scheduled to replace hens lost that would have aged out over the summer? Is there a surplus of pullets now that can’t be placed? … also interesting to think about the concentration of hens in Iowa … its been cheaper to ship one dozen of eggs to CA than to ship 3.5 pounds of feed to CA to make a dozen eggs … or wherever … producers may be thinking about this differently now … lots of uncertainty and plenty of room for speculation

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