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no_silencio_asensio 149 posts  |  Last Activity: 10 hours ago Member since: Apr 13, 2012
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  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio 10 hours ago Flag

    December 11, 2013: "JoJo, I was thinking of taking some profit once I was up $1.00 per share. Then I was thinking where else can I get a stock with a Book Value of $8.50 for $2.50? And even if you could find one, once you add in a filter for a low P/E (in this case 2) you will find few if any options. I then decide to add some shares instead of taking profits."

    -------broke@40 decided to add some shares 2 $2.50/sh. ONP now trades at $2.35.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • At ONP's highs, ONP was arguing for everyone to be long and strong with ONP. His crystal ball is busted.

    December 30, 2013: "Since I bought ONP, it is up 60%. In the same time frame Google is up 20%. Is ONP the next Google - no, ONP it has much more potential for oversize gains."

    --- It closed at $2.67 that day. Since then it has declined by 12%

    January 17, 2014: "The Shorts must be very happy
    They get another chance to short ONP at prices above $2.80. Life is good."

    ----- That represents at least a 16% gain for the shorts.

    January 13, 2014: " OEX, This stock (ONP) is expected to earn $1.18 this year. IG is operating at a loss and is expected to make $.05 per share in 2014. I would double down here instead of buying IG. I will take $1.18 versus $.05 any day."

    --------ONP closed at $2.69 that day. IG closed at $3.60 that day. Since then, ONP has lost 13% while IG has gained 59%. LMAO!

    January 24, 2014: "For a stock that has run up 60% in the last couple of months ONP is holding up very well considering the two day drop in the NASDAQ. When the markets get choppy it is good to in a stock with a P/E of 2.5 that is selling at 1/3 of book value."

    ------- ONP closed at $2.65 that day. It now sells at a P/E of 2.85. with the share price roughly 12% lower the earnings must have fallen. LOL

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio 15 hours ago Flag

    I cite my sources, making these posts factual. Always check the sources, found with the SEC on file and available for free via download! Happy investing!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • 'doneatforty • Apr 10, 2014 1:28 PM Flag
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    Better luck next time hunk
    I probably bought your shares. I'm with onsitoeric, I see a turnaround here looking forward to the conference call. I am not sure how you sold at $1.30 a couple of weeks ago. GIGM never got that low in March. You must be really unlucky."

    LMAO... now trading at $1.07/sh. You have lost about 20% on that turd in just a few months. With a 29% YTD loss on ACTS, a 12% loss on ONP YTD, and an illiquid $0.018/sh Chinese junker on your recent buy list, I'd say you are living up to your nickname of being broke@40. You had better be a good student if stungsailor is going to be your mentor at the docks servicing frustrated sailors. Your survival may depend on it! LMAO!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 19, 2014 4:57 PM Flag

    ^ This...

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio by no_silencio_asensio Jul 18, 2014 1:52 PM Flag

    It is interesting why anyone would choose to produce digital photo paper with that kind of return, especially when it is supposedly done for the benefit of foreigners with little to no property rights protections in place.

    A 10 year US bond yields a higher return than that.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • NQ has dismissed their auditor who was not willing to sign off on the audit as is. NQ will not reveal third party contacts to confirm balances. Carson Block called it out!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • Rhetorical, of course, because fools like stungsailor and broke@40 exist. As for a secondaary... fat chance.

    Ignore the existence of the VIE for a moment. in 2013, ONP earned 6.95 % on averaged assets. This is a meager return for foreign investment, where risks are significantly higher. If you want to invest in a second offering, smart investors will wait for a company that offers a higher return along with lower risk. For example, while KO is not offering anything right now, Every $1 in asset added to the balance sheet generates an annual net return of 9.74%. So why on earth will a rational investor offer his scarce dollar to ONP for a return less than 7% when safer investments are surely on the horizon offering more than that?

    Next, of course, it cannot be ignored, is the fact that investors are being offered an investment that converts their capital from an ONP asset into a VIE asset. It's like taking your billfold and just handing it over to a stranger and saying, "I have no legal means of forcing you to return this to me, and there is no legal penalty imposed on you if you refuse to return this to me, but take it anyway and I'll trust you won't walk away with it."

    Fools and their money...

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 11, 2014 4:22 PM Flag

    As of 31 December 2013, hbop, the VIE owned 80% of all ONP reported assets. check out what Strubel has to say on this! He offers wise advice!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 11, 2014 4:08 PM Flag

    Historical facts are not of interest in risk factors. Risk factors pertain to the future, broke@40, not the history of the company. From the Risk Factors portion, p. 13, of the ONP 2013 10-k, on file with the SEC and freely offered to anyone for download:

    "We rely on contractual arrangements with Orient Paper HB for our operations, which may not be as effective in providing control over these entities as direct ownership.

    Our operations and financial results are dependent on Orient Paper HB in which we have no equity ownership interest and must rely on contractual arrangements to control and operate the businesses of Orient Paper HB. These contractual arrangements are not as effective in providing control over Orient Paper HB as direct ownership. For example, Orient Paper HB may be unwilling or unable to perform their contractual obligations under our commercial agreements, including payment of consulting fees under the Exclusive Technical Service and Business Consulting Agreement as they become due. Consequently, we will not be able to conduct our operations in the manner currently planned. In addition, Orient Paper HB may seek to renew their agreements on terms that are disadvantageous to us. Although we have entered into a series of agreements that provide us with substantial ability to control Orient Paper HB, we may not succeed in enforcing our rights under them insofar as our contractual rights and legal remedies under Chinese law are inadequate. In addition, if we are unable to renew these agreements on favorable terms when these agreements expire, or to enter into similar agreements with other parties, our business may not be able to operate or expand, and our operating expenses may significantly increase."

    #$%$ SLAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!!!!!!!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 11, 2014 3:07 PM Flag

    80% of the assets reported on the ONP balance sheets for the year ended 2013, were actually owned by hbop, the VIE. As for the non-hbop assets owned by ONP, the assets of Shengde, the digital paper company earned a horrible 1.5% return on its average assets for 2013. Discussing big earning increases via hbop is a huge waste of time, and demonstrates you do not understand the legal limits of VIEs.

    ONP is a consulting company for hbop, i exchange for 80% of hbop's net income. The cash created by this income, is evidently not transferred to its WOFE, as evidenced by the interest earned figures reported in the 2013 10-k on file with the SEC. Do not bury your head in the sand concerning this topic. The long run valuation is seriously at risk of falling below $/sh due to the high incentives that exist for Liu to cancel the VIE contract between hbop and the WOFE it has a relationship with. Liu is the decision maker for both companies.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 10, 2014 3:56 PM Flag

    Is GIGM going back below $1? kindergartengrad is waiting to hear what his teacher and mentor have to say about that! Will it be time to average down, again? LMAO!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 9, 2014 12:42 PM Flag

    Is it time to average down on ACTS? Remember... Dutch Tender! LMAO!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • His decision to not invest in this company speaks for itself!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 8, 2014 7:53 PM Flag

    Oh, the entertainment value that braggarts provide.

    YTD, broke@40 resembles sunnsailor in a most amazing way. They both invest in Chinese penny junk and they both are toxic to capital.

    broke@40's YTD long returns are:

    ACTS: a 31% loss
    ONP: a 21% loss
    IICN: a 10% loss
    GIGM: a 20% loss? That is probably a close estimate. GIGM is up for the year but broke@40 posted something about "probably buying so-and-so's shares somewhere above $1.30. He has added since then, in an effort to try and average down on this perpetual loser. It is easy to understand why he is bitter, but this is all his own doing. He is reaping what he has been sowing, so to speak.

    Meanwhile, the lazy choice of investing in an s&p500 etf yields a 6% gain halfway through the year. It's not exciting but perfectly acceptable. Throw in a few obvious short positions and your year turns out quite good.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • I posted here, and financefred probably went long and has lost his shirt on another Chi-scam. NQ is going to zero eventually, headed for delisting. Sell high and buy low. That is ONP's future. Maybe it's visible on surfdog's crystal ball!

    Get comfortable with poverty, broke@40!

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 8, 2014 9:57 AM Flag

    ACTS is down 16% this morning. 2014 is another bad year for broke@40.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • broke@40 calls this a hefty return! Lmao... Clueless investors rejoice at horrible investment opportunities like this one.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 7, 2014 3:33 PM Flag

    Spamming is not an investment strategy that works. Spamming is a red flag for junk and con stocks. Keep it up broke@40! lmao...

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • no_silencio_asensio no_silencio_asensio Jul 7, 2014 2:18 PM Flag

    Another day and the realization of wealth destruction should be sinking in. He could have sold ONP above $2.65/sh, easily, to start the year off and simply dumped his capital in an s&p500 etf a la frvoyik8h. Instead he will be hoping to get $2/sh. Add in the losses on ACTS, GIGM, and the zero volume on IICN and we begin to see how his year will end up... One step closer to homelessness and blowing sailors for food.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

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