couple weeks ago this was selling at 20% premium to NAV -- now it is a 7% discount to NAV. I own KYE and have spent a lot of time wondering why KYE sold at such a large discount, while KYN sold at a premium, considering how much overlap there is in the portfolio. There must be some fund or professional investor selling KYN vs either KYE or a basket of its main holdings.
Just noticed that Fidelity deducted a $38 "tender fee" from my account in connection with this. :-( I'm flabbergasted that all the fees associated with this transaction weren't paid by GE/SYF, like most other offerings/IPOs/spinoffs/mergers.
Just curious -- would love to know if other people got charged similar fee by their brokerage, and how much.
According to quote from last press release, "President and CEO Steve Kean said, “We produced distributable cash flow before certain items of $0.51 per share for the third quarter resulting in flat coverage for the quarter and total excess coverage of $228 million for the first nine months of the year."
That $228 million in "excess" cash flow is vs the $3.5 billion or so that they paid out, so that's about 94% payout even if you take their definition of cash flow at face value. And that includes first part of year when commodity pricing was better -- current qtr they paid out everything. So they are in fact paying out substantially all of their cash flow -- arguing whether that last couple % is "excess" is sort of silly.
"LOL What papers are your reading?"
I'm reading the coupon rate on the new preferred stock that they just had to issue.
I tendered 1000 shares, and as of this AM, based on current SYF & GE prices, if I sold my SYF shares and bought back my GE shares, would net about $800 profit. It's just free money. Still not sure if I want to keep my SYF shares, add to the position, or sell it and buy back the GE shares, but free money is free money.
If you just landed here from Mars and didn't know anything about KMI's past history as KMP, and looked at the business, you'd think it was a great business that should be valued at 10-12X cash flow. Because the cash flows are so stable, you'd be comfortable paying out maybe 60% of that as dividends, and using the rest to fund growth projects. That would give you a blue-chip company selling for about $22-23/shr, paying out about $1.30 dividend, with a nice plate of internally funded growth projects that would fuel dividend growth for years. The problem isn't KMI's business, just this insistance that they will pay out almost all of their cash flow and rely on selling stock for almost all their cap ex. That's an awesome plan as long as the market is willing to value your stock at 18-20X cash flow or whatever it was when KMI was yielding 4%, but doesn't work otherwise. Far and away the most sensible plan is to recognize that the game has changed, simply pay out less cash and use retained cash to fund growth. Oil majors like CVX are also cash flow constrained, but they have really solid balance sheets so they can just borrow for a couple of years at low interest rates -- they aren't dependent on selling stock at these low prices. This bizarre insistance from KMI that they can continue to sell stock at an ever-spiraling cost of equity to fund new projects is what creates the impression that the company is sinking deeper in distress, which just feeds on itself. The business is fine -- it's the payout policy that is bent, coupled with the fact that they can't simply borrow to tide them over.
Once they cancel the distribution on the common and the hedge book runs out, who knows if they ever resume it? Chances are that the outcome would be some sort of large-scale restructuring or recapitalization driven by the bond holders that would massively dilute current equity holders. Maybe preferred shareholders wind up getting paid off, maybe not. No matter how you look at it, the risk/reward is hugely skewed towards the bonds instead of preferreds.
The flip side to that is, if they wind up cancelling the common distribution, there's no reason for them to continue the preferred dist either.
Every SP 500 index fund already owned GE and will presumably acquire their SYF shares that way. Most likely they're using options and derivatives to lock in appropriate SYF exposure until the shares are actually distributed.
"I doubt they will do a secondary until the stock gets into the 30's." If they have the opportunity to acquire assets or invest the money at an attractive return, I think that drives when they issue new equity, not the market price. Obviously it's nicer if the stock price is higher, but I'm sure they factor current cost of equity into their calculations before pulling trigger on a deal. Either the numbers work at whatever the current stock price is, or they don't. If there is a floor for issuing new shares, it's probably book value (which is $26 and change).
which ETF's do you own? I own DGS which focuses on emerging market small caps, but would like to spread out into others.
A good chunk of my "taxable" accts are in either longer-term muni bonds that I plan to hold to maturity or midstream MLPs. Even with the beating MLPs have taken in the past year, they're still solid tax-efficient cash generators and have accounted for very nice returns. Most of my munis have coupons in the 4-5% range and seem to balance out the MLPs nicely.
Why should it drop to $28.90 in the open market? It would only do that if someone else (besides GE) was willing to sell their SYF stock for that price. The fact that the offer was oversubscribed by 3X indicates that people wanted the shares and presumably will not dump them right away like with a traditional spinoff.
That said, anyone who wants to guarantee a quick profit can short SYF now and cover with the distributed shares in a couple of days, so would not be surprised to see it trade somewhere between 29 and 30. But I think SYF goes back above 30 pretty quickly once the exchange is completed.
One, you have to own *something* in your taxable acct, and owning something that earns 14% (when you include the annual special div) even with the higher tax rate beats most other reasonable alternatives. Second, have you set up a Roth? Even if you are over the income limit, you can contribute 6500/yr to a post-taxable IRA then immediately convert to a Roth. I do this every year and buy more PDI, it's a great way to own it. My Roth is split between PDI and BXMT and I'm loving the tax-free income.
The PIMCO info sheet lists info for 20 funds as of Oct 2. 18 of the funds have UNII between 0 and $0.40; one fund has UNII of $0.78; then PDI has UNII of $1.76. For YTD distribution coverage, most of the funds come in between 90% and 108%; PCI clocks 119%; then PDI comes in at 156%. No matter how you look at it, a real outlier for UNII and coverage.
I wonder if the date of special distribution has changed with different fiscal year? I would have thought it would have been announced by now if it was being paid in January.
I just tendered my GE shares. Based on trading last couple of days, GE is now at highest point since 2007, while SYF is cheap, so this is a great opportunity to sell high, buy low, skip the taxes, no transaction fee, and get a 7.5% discount on top of it all. With SYF getting added to SP500 and (I'm sure) paying dividend next year, nothing but upside IMO and probably the best quality company at 10X PE that you can find. Still love GE but expect I'll be able to buy it back for 27 in reasonably short order.
not sure the credit line decrease has much, if any impact at all -- obviously their cap ex going forward is getting slashed so it's not like they need any new capital, and they're still generating more than enough cash to pay current liabilities. adjusting the covenant so they can pay a modest distribution is smart IMO.
An extra 2 million pounds of sand sounds like a lot, but if my math is right, @ $50/ton, it's an extra cost of $50,000/well -- chump change for a 44% increase in productivity for a well whose overall cost is, what, $5 million or more overall.
Apparently on the EMES call this afternoon someone mentioned possible merger and that's what sparked today's jump. Tomorrow, who knows, this has gotten completely loony tunes.
not sure even ETE would be crazy enough to chase WMB and TRGP at the same time... but it says a lot about ETE that you can't absolutely rule it out.