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nymarv10956 16 posts  |  Last Activity: Aug 30, 2015 7:24 PM Member since: Apr 18, 2007
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    Marv in NY. MMP is being punished unjustly.

    by pa61440 Aug 5, 2015 4:34 PM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Aug 30, 2015 7:24 PM Flag

    Just an addendum. CS had these remarks. Drop to TP of about 88-89. 15% for rest of 2015 and at least 10% in 2016. Not adverse to buyout. The Sunoco I speak about is SXL who can take the oil pipelines and Sun the retail Sunoco stations when ETP drops the rest of their retail stations. The ETE family works. By the way I had my lobotomy and live in Palm Beach Cty.

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    Marv in NY. MMP is being punished unjustly.

    by pa61440 Aug 5, 2015 4:34 PM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Aug 28, 2015 7:19 PM Flag

    For all those who took my advice -sell in May and go away I applaud you. I personally am in the camp do as I say not as I do. MMP is my 3rd largest holding and my second most secure after ETE. One would think that because MMP is in the gasoline and diesel pipeline business ,storage of oil and other refine product business that they would have escaped the meltdown But they went into an expansion of oil pipelines last few years and the weak minded public and analysts associated them with oil. It did not help their 1st quarter results were less than spectacular While second quarter improved and 10% guidance for year end has changed their focus somewhat. So if you have a 5-10 % paper loss in MMP you are ahead of the pack presently. I still see them as the best buyout candidate in Mlp group. It may take 2 years but KMI and ETE will do it. ETE has Sunoco and Sun which are in the gasoline retail business and if they don't affect the refiners they fit in perfectly with MMP. MMP is sitting OK in this meltdown ala 2000 2008 and such, Stay with it

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    Questions For The MWE Long Term Owners

    by buyandwin Jul 23, 2015 10:40 PM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 30, 2015 2:34 AM Flag

    Hach thanks for your analysis once again. My view is a market view. It appears to me that MWE got stuck in the commodity shake out. Oil will no longer be in 80-90 range and a glut of ethane propane NGLS presently. Also the drillers who are and funding the massive buildout are retrenching their capex and perhaps some are going to have a long journey to survive. They also did not hook up with a NG exporter where the extra NG must go starting next 4 years. There has to be a new evaluation of mlp's. The ETE WMB is massive and if consumeated ETE will control 50% of NG in newest markets. I feel somewhat bad about events but the next 5 years there will be new players. NGLS will be next after the ETE WMB MWE MPLX mergers especially if WMB doesn't go to ETE. I hope you consider for the future ETE MMP EQM and a few drop down plays as WES. MLP's in the future are in the hands of the money funds and players T is a new era for mlp's NG LNG Export and Dropdowns. I don;t think MMP NGLS will survive independently My sleeper is SUN The team has moved to IV Regards Marv

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    Opnion of nymar

    by fountain123_45 Jul 17, 2015 8:44 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 17, 2015 10:10 AM Flag

    The situation with all mlp's now is tenuous . Most all oil related mlp's are selling off even though they are 90's fixed fee. The midstream space of which MWE is because of drillers commodity exsposure are also being chopped.When you look at the 2 conglomerate mlp's KMI and EPD they have parts that are exposed to commodity pricing and they are the most secure because of capitalization. The pure NG mlp pipelines who one would think are immune to this all and NG 2.90 approx have made expansion plans in regard to oil and unwhitingly fallen into the oil drop in price trap. The mlp's that have given CAGR guidance of 10% and over are also selling at yearly lows. So it is not what MWE WMB is worth today as a stand alone company. They would also be tanking along with the rest if not for buyout offers. Having said that either you stick by some very ugly times the next few months and accept the revolution taking place in mlp's associtaed with oil The only thing stopping MWE from 60 is the buyout offer. In conclusion the price of MWE is what people will pay for it today and the only thing going on is MPLX MWE and WMB ETE. CAGR apparently doesn't matter along with what is going on with each company 2016-17 etc There is no stomach for energy stocks now. There is no saving MWE because of NGLS OIL propane ethane butane pricing due to oversupply. Can MWE make it alone on just taking out ethane or Methane from dry gas . I don't know. If you don't like MWE now trade it for ETE. I along with all am not a happy camper by the mess oil pricing has made

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    Arbitrage off. Speculation of a a new suitor?

    by brianchr2 Jul 14, 2015 11:04 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 14, 2015 5:30 PM Flag

    Take the stock sell Nov 72.5 calls . Get .92 plus 3+dollars plus almost $3 plus maybe 1-2 or wait May lose 3+ if goes over 72.5 and called away

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    Arbitrage off. Speculation of a a new suitor?

    by brianchr2 Jul 14, 2015 11:04 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 14, 2015 12:44 PM Flag

    A #2 fractionator and #1 fractionator dosn't go. EPD can only buy the likes of CLMT MMLP MMP

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    mplx sell off

    by harehau Jul 14, 2015 10:09 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 14, 2015 12:40 PM Flag

    You do not have my vote for epd or paa. I just don't get 5 or 6 % CAGR As far as PSXP a quarter late. Yes OKE NGLS.

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    mplx sell off

    by harehau Jul 14, 2015 10:09 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 14, 2015 10:20 AM Flag

    Your comments are right but not for the obvious.With MWE being taken out and wmb (then WPZ thereafter) there are fewer mlp's for the money to go too. Besides the usual dropdown candidates 2 of the major subsection mlp's will be persona non grata. oil and midstream. I expect soon the sectors that will be on radar are NG and associated LNG meaning exports of LNG Propane Ethane

  • nymarv10956 by nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 12:58 PM Flag

    Price of MPLX dropping as the arbs are at work selling MPLX and buying MWE. MPLX is thinly traded so severe drop in price. Wait till dust settles

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    Congrats to longs

    by dprofiteer Jul 13, 2015 7:18 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 10:37 AM Flag

    Additionally interest rates for 10 year 2.45% and Oil retreating. Mid stream mlp's are being squeezed

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    Congrats to longs

    by dprofiteer Jul 13, 2015 7:18 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 9:46 AM Flag

    My take is that there are Billions of dropdowns now for the combo and a great CAGR for at least 1 and 1/.2 years Obviously, the NGLS market going forward stinks and this is Semple's way of facing it. The thought is that drillers will go to dry gas and the volumes for ethane propane etc will not be there, I always said buy leaps and the strategy if you have money is to take stock and get almost 1 dollar the 3+ cash and sell the Nov 70's. By Nov you will see what is going on with oil.

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    Congrats to longs

    by dprofiteer Jul 13, 2015 7:18 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 8:56 AM Flag

    Listen in 4 minutes. The shorts will suffer

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    Congrats to longs

    by dprofiteer Jul 13, 2015 7:18 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 8:22 AM Flag

    Did the fat lady sing yet? Now the problem is where does the MWE money go to? It leaves only 1 or 2 left. WMB to ETE and NGLS to KMI. Short term saved . Long term fewer players and mirrors oil company consolidation in mlp industry. Coming on KMP to KMI it shows that you the small investor are just in it for the ride. Too much money via the funds have made this a M and A garden. To be continued. Let's hear it from the flag wavers.

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    Strange Action

    by skinz4q May 6, 2015 10:41 AM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 11, 2015 7:01 PM Flag

    I am a little late in answering the original question but I will offer some reply. I have 1/4 of your 2 positions in MMP and EPD The problem as I see it is that while MMP really is in refined products which should be doing well as oil prices drop there is a contagion going on as oil pricing has affected everything. They are in oil storage that took its licks as there was nowhere to put it and their 2 or 3 oil delivery pipes recently constructed associated with oil Oil has infected the entire mlp group. The ferc 4% and the 15% for rest of year is not able to counterbalance the oil; infestation. However they are one of the 3 best manged mlp's.

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    money reply solamente

    by nymarv10956 Jun 20, 2015 9:43 PM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jul 3, 2015 11:35 AM Flag

    When did I become your cramer?. This my one and only remark until October 15 2015 ETE ETE ETE MMP MMP MMP EQM EQM EQM SUN SUN SUN WES WES WES Should cover all the bases

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    money reply solamente

    by nymarv10956 Jun 20, 2015 9:43 PM
    nymarv10956 nymarv10956 Jun 30, 2015 11:34 PM Flag

    Sell in May and go away. Buy October 15 2015 Buy 1/17 leaps to conserve money, Go into 20% cash. Don't listen to me . Blame the basanova

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