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pcmountaindog 43 posts  |  Last Activity: 14 hours ago Member since: Jan 22, 2002
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    Would you drink a glass of paint?

    by donkergen Apr 25, 2015 12:59 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog 14 hours ago Flag

    Those children should die out. Any kid who is dumb enough to eat paint already has brain damage. It's not the lead paint that caused brain damage in children, I was those with brain damage who ate the stuff in the first place.

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    Would you drink a glass of paint?

    by donkergen Apr 25, 2015 12:59 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog 21 hours ago Flag

    Sure put labels on everything. "Warning You might die in your new aluminum F150 in a crash after going to home depot to buy roundup".

    How long have warnings been on cigarettes? People didn't ready any of that and they won't read a label on a loaf of bread which has genetically modified wheat.

    It would be easy to get people to drink a bottle of Coke flavored with weed killer. Just put organic on the bottle.

    People as suckers and thats fine we me as long as I keep getting my dividends from Monsanto, DOW and DuPont.

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    Organic Food causes Cancer !

    by donkergen Apr 21, 2015 5:52 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 23, 2015 10:11 AM Flag

    You are right on. I made a pile of cash on all those suckers who deposit their paycheck into their local Whole Foods store. They give me all their money and I used it to buy everything I need without every setting foot in an organic store.

    Just what the hell is organic stuff anyway?

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    Organic Food causes Cancer !

    by donkergen Apr 21, 2015 5:52 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 23, 2015 10:08 AM Flag

    You have nothing to fear. Roundup, call it what ever you want isn't MON any more. Dow ENLIST is a mixture of Glyphosate and 2,4D. Glyphosate is everywhere and it's not going out of production even if protestors burns all the MON factories down. If anything it's use will grow substantially.

    So for those who like, protest and yap all you want but, you might have better things to do like take profits from MON, DD, DOW and use the money to do something useful.

    Get ride of GMO crops and modern herbicides and lets go back to compost piles. Good luck feeding 6 billion people and 100 billion rats that way.

    If modern agriculture is killing everyone then I can't figure where all these people are coming from.

    GMO corn is a profit motivated product? How long did it take for you to figure that one out? What's wrong with profit, profits pay for everything I need in this life. If big agriculture makes enough profit to help me pay my bills without having a BS job from 9 to 5, I'm in.

    Dividends, live on, keep them coming.

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    Hillary Rodham Kullman!

    by funfundvierzig Apr 13, 2015 10:11 AM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 22, 2015 10:37 AM Flag

    You might be right about that one. Republicans would turn out in big numbers if she is on the ballot. Then again, if democrats ever figure out how to get people to the polls, it's lights out for the republicans. They are way out numbered.

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    Organic Food causes Cancer !

    by donkergen Apr 21, 2015 5:52 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 22, 2015 10:35 AM Flag

    I agree, I won't eat anything which is labeled organic. Who know what kind of animal s#$% was used to grow that stuff.

    Organic is bad, very bad. It is also know to cause bank accounts do lose money.

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    Hillary Rodham Kullman!

    by funfundvierzig Apr 13, 2015 10:11 AM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 21, 2015 10:39 AM Flag

    You have know idea what is important Hillary Clinton. What is the most important thing on earth to people like Hillary Clinton. The pay checks for being on the board of directors of WalMart and doing no work whatsoever to get them.

    Good luck finding any public company which is not pumping cash in the pockets of politicians to buy they legislation they want.

    How much money has roundup put in her pocket?

  • pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 21, 2015 10:24 AM Flag

    "How much of this #$%$ am i digesting" A better question would have been how much of your money winds up in my pocked from all those MON dividends?

    Round up forever. Double mega quadruple corn syrup 7-11 big gulps for all.

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    Carcinogenicity of Glyphosate

    by clowncramer Apr 16, 2015 11:47 AM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 21, 2015 10:21 AM Flag

    "I myself predict bankruptcy!"

    That's the best laugh I have had in a long time. Every persons on the planate has probably consumed a 5 gallon bucket of glyphosate by now. Every person on earth would be dead if it was as bad as what is posted here.
    The people running the world health organization are running a scam which is almost the size of the FED.

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    Monsanto will continue to lose money

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 7:32 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 7, 2015 11:29 AM Flag

    Get serious. I have no issue with those who want to smoke anything they want but, it's still smoke. People make a big deal about fire place smoke, diesel particulates and how it's killing people. Then the same people smoke cigarettes and pot and in 1 day inhale more smoke then they would get by being outside in the real world for a month. The pot coming from down south where there is no agricultural regulation and heaven only know how much radio active waste they put on the stuff to make it stronger. Then the same people bash monsanto. The indoor growers use their own electrical power generating systems run by diesel then dump used oil all over the place and generate diesel smoke too but, the pot is ORGANIC.

    Cognitive dissonance over and over. Pot is harmless why, because I want it to be harmless. GMO plants will kill people. Roundup is killing people, why, because that's what they want to believe.

    What is organic food or organic pot? Just grow it with anything you like then put an organic label on it ship it over the boarder to be consumed in the US by people who like the word organic, people who can't get through a high school chemistry class. These are the people who are deciding that round up kill people. It might but they don't know anything about it. People who smoke pot coming up from Mexico suck in all kinds of chemicals used to grow that stuff. Pot smokers who protest against Monsanto likely consume buckets of roundup which was used to boost the yield. We are talking major brain damage.

    Smoke all you want, really it's all fine by me and I hope monsanto sell tons of chemicals and GMO pot seeds to keep that cash flow stream going into my bank account. Just wait until pot is legal in all 50 states and Monsanto pounds the market with GMO pot which won't be killed by roundup. Monsanto is going to make so much money they won't be abel to count it all and lots of it will be mine.

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    Monsanto will continue to lose money

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 7:32 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 6, 2015 2:17 PM Flag

    Yes, cleojrrj is most likely a bag holder, holding a big bag of dividends.

    If you think Monsanto is in financial trouble I got a pile of cash that says you are crazy.

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    96% Want Their GMOs Labeled

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 7:34 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 6, 2015 2:14 PM Flag

    Put on all the labels anyone wants. The could cover an entire 50 gallon drum of roundup with warnings. Labels didn't stop people from smoking and it sure as **** won't stop anyone from dumping round up/glyphosate on their lawn or tomatoes. They will keep drinking 128 ounce 7-11 monster gulps twice a day no matter what kind of corn the sugar comes from, GMO - NO GMO, they won't even care. Like 99 percent of the people looking at the monster gulp cup are going to know what GMO free means? If it said "Contains GMO" they would likely think it was Great Measure Organic. People are stupid, they will buy anything and I will keep collecting my dividends.

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    96% Want Their GMOs Labeled

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 7:34 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 6, 2015 2:04 PM Flag

    I wonder what nut job senator Bernie Sanders thinks of that. We should let Vermont secede from the rest of the US, put a fence around it, cut it off from federal funds and let Bernie be dictator. He could team up with Venezuela and they could both be round up free and we would be Bernie free.

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    Fast Food is Failing

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 10:58 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 6, 2015 10:41 AM Flag

    There are those who feel that cheap cows, (those fed by corn) are a big problem. Cows evolved eating grass not corn. The modern cow industry is closely linked to corn and that makes it linked to MON. It's all okay with me. I would rather have cows in a pen eating corn then out of western public land eating and stomping the grass out and polluting what little desert water we have.

  • pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 3, 2015 5:57 PM Flag

    Where are the earnings? Losing money for 15 years. Forget about stock price, it's all about earnings and positive cash flow and WPRT has ZERO.

    WPRT does not make money, period. What are the costs of HPDI injectors? How many have been sold? What is the production cost? Do they pay hold backs to their distributors? What is the cost of the CNG and LNG tank systems? How many have they sold? How much did they earn/lose? Try to get any WPRT person to give you an answer to any of these questions. I would like to buy 6 HPDI injectors for my truck how much do they cost? What is the cost of production of the WPRT Wing Ford small truck components? I know they have sold one because I had seen one. One and only one. They don't break it out so my statement stands that WPRT is losing money on everything it builds. It does't matter, what matters is that after 15 years they have burned through millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and not 1 cent returned to their investors in all those years and likely the next 5 or 10 as well. For the foreseeable future, the will keep losing millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and not 1 cent will be returned to their investors.

    Show us the money or keep following sheep who are eating your money. Have another cup of kool aid.

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    Glyphosate is up for review this year

    by gmoshite Mar 22, 2015 8:45 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 3, 2015 11:52 AM Flag

    If Glyphosate was really that bad it would have killed 2 billion people by now. That stuff is everywhere.

    People don't have any idea how the stuff works or what it does. In the next 25 years 10 times as much Glyphosate will be used as all that has been used to date. If you think Glyphosate is only made by Monsanto think again. It's been around for years.

    If all these agricultural chemicals were that bad, the rich people who live around all those perfectly managed golf courses would all have been found dead in their houses on the 18th fairway. They dump more chemicals on a golf course then any place on earth and I don't ready any stories about golfers dropping dead.

    If you want to be in this game you need to play by the rules and that is you need to find millions of people who are willing to pony up 5000 each and buy your favorite politicians. For those who think carrying a sigh around which says "DOWN WITH MONSANTO" is going to make a difference my advice to you is to start drinking heavily. Every the guys from Delta house went out to the golf course to get their dose of chemicals.

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    Fast Food is Failing

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 10:58 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 3, 2015 11:04 AM Flag

    What a load of #$%$. I am in a small group of people in that I have never set foot in a McDonald's. Couldn't comment on the quality of what is in one of those places. if I can stay out of those joints so can everyone else. I also do not enter the soft drink, aka corn syrup isle in the super market. The snack isle is also off limits. People like that stuff and they have the right to buy what they want and I have the right to invest in the companies which sell that junk food while I put the profits in my accounts. So you claim that McDonalds's is losing money, I guess that's okay and if they come out with the ORGANIC GMO burger and start making tons of money that will be okay with me too.

    People will eat horse s*** if it's in comes in a box with "ORGANIC" on the label.

    There are 7 billion people to feed world wide and it won't be long before it's 10 billion and Monsanto, DuPont, Exxon, and other chemical, energy and agriculture companies will make lots of cash on the way to the food market. Good lucked fighting even one of those monsters. Exxon alone pays out 11,000,000,000.00 in dividends to million of people like me and your favorite politicians. You couldn't change this game if you lived to be 10,000 years old. You haven't even begun to see the profits MON is gong to make on GMO corn in the next 25 years.

    For those who think they can take on MON marching down the street with a "DOWN WITH GMOs" sign many of us will be laughing all the way to the bank to deposit our dividend checks.

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    96% Want Their GMOs Labeled

    by gmoshite Apr 1, 2015 7:34 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 3, 2015 10:41 AM Flag

    I really don't see why Monsanto would even care about this issue. They are wasting money on legal work to keep labels off products when it doesn't matter. Almost no one will ever read any of that junk anyway. Every component of the food in a box could have genetically modified ingredients and 1 month after the labels go on it won't even be a foot note. The general public only wan't to hear what they want to hear. All retailers have to do is put "Organic GMO ingredients" on the box and people will cart the stuff away. American have a terminal case of cognitive dissonance.

    Monsanto should just get rid of 3/4 of their lawyers and put that amount into the dividends. It won't matter what is on the label since a huge portion of the public which comes out of the public schools can't read anyway. Just keep dumping that corn sugar into those 7-11 double monster super size big gulps and keep dumping those dividends into my bank account.

  • pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 2, 2015 5:04 PM Flag

    Yes it is a very good sign of the NG markets. Too bad it's a bad deal for WPRT. Since they loose money on everything the sell, this will triple the loses.

    What is happening to the NG market has nothing to do with WPRT. The management does not have what it take to become profitable in good market let along a bad on.

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    OVER-PROMISE. ... AND ...UNDER-DELIVER !

    by pngggjones Mar 28, 2015 1:03 PM
    pcmountaindog pcmountaindog Apr 2, 2015 5:01 PM Flag

    News was building a long time about the drop in oil demand. When a CEO is paid that much money it's his job to be on top these possibilities. There was never any concern to control costs or to be ready for difficult times. The general economy has been hurting ever since 2008. With a slow economy, slow demand for energy consumption growth, narrowing spread between NG and diesel, the management of this company put out bogus guidance for years. They totally dropped the ball. No one, will listen to a single work of what this company put out from here on. It's now real positive cash flow GAAP numbers or the market will keep laughing at WPRT. The endless talk of EBITDA to hide 15 years of losing money is totally unacceptable. There are times companies have 1 time chargers but with WPRT every quarter has 10 of them and it never ends.

    How anyone can let this CEO off the hook for about the worst financial performance in the entire entry sector is unimaginable. Demers put out a mountain of bad guidance and false information about growth almost 1 year before the energy sector go hit. Much of the energy sector is now at bargain prices. It's a almost easy money to pick Exxon, Conoco, Chevron, CAT, Cummins and expect reasonable gains 5 years from now. 5 years from now WPRT won't be around any longer if this CEO is not removed.

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