P.S. wonder what happened to some of those prior chronic posters like honet doctor or who ever that were pro sigma combating the bashers incessantly. Hope they didn't sell out before this nice rise. Oh well, i'm playing for the long term based on the story which is why I could not believe 4 cent pps with all the initiatives in the fire.
Well Realty, crunch time. We all know the potential positives and negatives. Most of the initiatives which are starting and so positive will take till q2 or q3 to actually generate substantial revenue.
The first question has been answered. We have a nice buildup on excellent volume going into the cc which is the first near term catalyst. The demonstration 4/14 being the second.
Will hold most of my shares for the long run for reasons specified. Heck I;m green now.
But the question for the next hour is lighten up and cash in on this pps rise because the news tomorrow might disappoint the lemmings even with good news but not as great as hoped, hold, or buy more anticipating even better news than expected which might pump the shares going into the demonstration.
My Answer: To much buildup to buy more at this point given the one or two quarters needed to really generate revenue if the news is good but don't sell as the potential over these next 2 catalysts are just too great. And with this volume, I suspect some news has leaked. But im guessing/hoping that they would have ot delayed this cc so long uinless they have something to say.
So answer is hold with a quick trigger if the news is extreme either way, buy or sell. Not extreme, just play the next catalyst.
But I do hope they have some solid updates and outlook. THat might really rocket this stock.
disagree. solar as a lot of competition, sigma none. Key is how valuable the product is to potential buyers, i.e. how cost effective it is in cost, quality, speed and efficiency. That is the bet. We should know in about 3 quarters. But I don't think GE, etc would have stayed around so long if the product was a bust. That's my bet.
Last point first. If I decide to play the ER game again, as I did last quarter because we should have a good q1 because of the anticipated delivered backlog, would do as you just predicfed and I did. doubled my holdings short term, mostly in the 18s, then sold the hot shares 22/23, keeping all my preexisting shas so was in gthe same place. But I was shocked that the pps went back down to below my hot share buy points. Same as with the 3q. Geeze.
Vjet, still haven't checked. got disillusioned after the way they mishandled that seconeary and haven't really heard any news from them as to how their big box printers are working. Still losing money. Certainly agree with you on SSYS but the street seems to have liked it. Less so now. DDD I had hope with all its initiatives, that it makes money and prints in metal. Also liked the potential of project aria which is now debunked. Simply put, mucho potential but unlike arcam can't execute. Too many failures as arcam is hitting on all cylinders. Keeping what I have as still green but not buying more.
To repeat my rant. After great 3q and 4q, cannot understand the pathetic volume and pps action in a sector that everyday gets good news and arcam is the only named company so far to be part of the GE mfg process. Geeze 2100 shares on Friday. Oh well, less than a month till the next cc and arcam is the onlyi company so far that actiully has let me participate. Like that Rene even with the stock sales. Heck, he is the only CEO that I know that even when he has a hiccup, he admits it, promises to remedy it and DOES
Interesting question. Seems that its totally within abat's discretion. If they decide not to and just walk away from the whole USA stockholding entity, what recourse do we have as a practicable matter???
Myself, under Reg FD it seems if info is disclosed to one investing entity it must be disclosed to all at the same time. But then I am no expert o reg FD. I am an expert on what the word PROVEN means.
If every lawsuit is irrelevant why do you spend so much time and verbage discussing it. Given that abat has not been proven to have done anything, why such a focus. If we don't own anything, and have no control over papa abat whyi do you care so much and spend so much time saying and quoting drivel.????
I can disagree with courts, and not sure if this court has issued a formal ruling. But to me Regulation FD is clear. If a company releases infor to one set of investors, no matter how experienced or institutional, they must issue that info to all at the same time. What applies to the goose also applies to the gander. So my conclusion is clear, southpaw should not have access to any info before we all do and certainlyi should not be able to trade on it. But that is just me, the courts have the final decision on the matter. Certainly not me or icbm.
But irrespective of what the court rules, what recourse does the court have over papa arcam and as you said we own nohing.
So why so many words on it. And simply saying something, or providing a link to someone else saying something, does not prove anything.
But at least today you have proven myi points. Neither we nor the USA regulators or SEC really have any control over abat. The onlyi leverage delisting as alreadyi occurred and what does abat really care if they are revoked or kicked out of the USA securities industry as there is no remedyi. We have no assets as you say over and over and there is no control over mgmt. in China.
You simply keep proving my point. We are simply at the mercy of what papa abat decides to do.
So shut up already. LOL
You have proven nothing simpleton except for the fact that you don't understand grammer, definitions of concepts or words or the consequences of actions. And clown, linking stuff to other companies does not prove anything.
Abat is only PROVEN to have done something when an authority determines that, not a simpleton board poster, abat has not complied with any regulatory requirement in yours, there is no proof that any part of abat has been foreclosed on or shut don permanently and if abat does or has breached any rule, there is no recourse that the USA or SEC can enforce against abat in China. All you have done with all your voluminous posting is simply prove me right and all you postings were drivel. Nothing is formally proven and it matter not what abat has said or does as there is no enforceable action to be taken against abat in china. Depite all your shouts and voluminous postings, as a practical matter all is moot and we are at the mercy of what papa abat does with us. Worse case scenario, no matter what they have done or will do, they can simplyi walk awayi from us and leave us as bag holders.
GOTCHA again. Now lets see what voluminous drivel you bring up. Speculating on abat losing all its assets, which you say we don't own anyway, quoting what happens to other Chinese companies as if it matters or posting links to other courses simply expressing opiniions as yiou are doing. Heck I got you to admit that you don't even know whats happening to abats production facilities despite your post suiggeting that you did.
LOL, but keep on trying. But leave out the equals marks and the pretense that you know what has happened or might happen with abat.
Exactly my point, simpleton. You imply that the factories were being shuttered permanently. Now your saying at least one is only being shut down temporarily. Got you to admit that. Point me. LOL
Oh and many companies shut plants down temporarily for maintenance, for upgrades, etc and that is not the evil that you proposed when you posted that fact and now I've gotten you to admit it.
Now its see you support your shout that wuxi employees are no being paid.
fool if the assets were lost, they could not reopen. If the assets were foreclosed on, that would be public info. So bottom line, this latest post documents just what I concluded and now have got you to admit. Who have no idea about Wuxi and you are only speculating why the other plant was shuttered. You sayi foreclosed on and nonvoluntary, abat says voluntary to upgrade their factory and the shutdown will only be for abouit i6 months.
So as I suspected and got you to admit, your negative shut was simply a icbm delusion and you don't know what is really going on. Just like you've admitted that he SEC has no control over the abat mgmt. in china. GOTCHA That negative post implying 2 out of 3 plants were shutdown permanently was onlyi icbm drivel and hope.
Bottom line You've proven me right. Wuxi was just delusional rumor and the other plant was not shutdown permanentlyi as you implied. You want to think its permanent, but not proved and the only proof you have is from the company which I had alreadyi read and it simplyi said shutdown for circa 6 months to upgrade the plant. GOTCHA AGAIN. You are easy and I've proven your definitional and posting ignorance on every point. Even you admit that all the USA focus is moot as arcam can simpliy walk awayi if it chooses. LOL
DEFINITION OF LIE: STATEMENT OF UNTRUTH SUCH AS SAYING THINGS ARE PROVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT. FRAUD, PLAGERISM, VIOLATION OF SEC REQUIREMENTS, INSIDER ACTIONS, ETC. All of the above were your lies. Nothing is proved and abat can walk away.
Don't you have any grammatical training. Who but you feels the need to misuse the equals sign in every posting they make. Pathetic
I never apologize to fools. Bottom line, the USA company has not complied with anyi regulation or requirement in circa 4 years and has not had any action or interaction with the SEC in this time. So your point.????? Moreover, as you said in another post, the USA shares don't represent any assets or holdings so what remedy does the seC have if any regulations were breached. As you said in another post, proving me total right and this latest rant just showing how stupid you are. If abat and #$%$ decided to simpliy walk away there would be no recourse . Case made, just another foolish tirade from the king of such postings. Doesn't even know when he makes inconsistent arguiments. LOL
Simpleton??? You who keeps spouting drivel. Bottom line, abat has not complied with any SEC requirenments for years, there have been no adverse ramifications, even if there were, they could not be enforced in China and as you admitted, we own no assets and no American court could enforce anything against the Chinese entity.
Simpleton, you cannot have it both was, but bet you don't even know that you totally made myi argument now your trying to wiggle against.
Little clown, there have been no adverse repercussions to abat for not complying with SEC regulations for years, even if a breach byi abat was proven as you admit there would be no actions that could be taken against abat.
The bottom line is papa abat and Fui can do what theyi please, walk awayi from us and there is nothing we could do. You have said that in another post. So you are just showing how foolish you are and have such a need to seek attention with flawed reasoning and even grammer. Please learn what the word proven means, as nothing as been proven despite your repeated assertions, and as you point out neither the USA nor we have aniy real leverage over papa abat. RIGHT??? Simpleton. LOL
Disagree on two levels. (1) As a non listed stock, the requirements for filing and disclosure and certainly SEC goverance are nubious at best so its unclear whether the actions icbm rants about would be illegal but even more importantliy as the fool said in another post (2) because the USA entity is mereiy a holding company which owns nothing and all the officers are in China, even if the actions were illegal how will the SEC hold anyone in mgmt. in China accountable. He cannot have it both ways, that the actions are material and we have no control or interest in abat becauise its a foreign company and immune from USA control.
LOL, bet he doesn't even comprehend this discrepancy.
So, I must agree to disagee with your post I do not see abat or mgmt. from being held accountable for any of their actions that I've seen to date And I note that dispute the arguments you noted, no one has accused abat of illegal action and more importantly abat has not been proven to be guiltiy of anything. Therefoe, icbms rants are just that.. RIght????
I just want something to give me some idea what is going on with abat and more importantly some idea what #$%$ is going to do with us step children
Given the quality of your past posts, and documented lies and comprehension challenges, who would possibly believe that you even have any money much less make any profit. I personally do not believe, despite all your ignorance and posting drivel, that you even own abat shares.
Have you at least learned that there are no legal requirements pertaining to a pink sheet non regulated company and even if there are there is no American remedy for a company that has all its assets in China. You have given the lie to almost all of your past posts. GOTCHA
Boy, please learn what equals signs are for Such ignorance is bothersome.
Sorry, have arcam on the brain like my fingers have certain letteres on the brain. Know this will tax your comprehension ability, but when you see the word arcam substitute abat and when you see the extra letters my fingers/keyiboard tend to add, simply subtract them. To be honest, responding to your so called facts is not worth the extra proofing time as I make my points which is all I care about.
You sure enjoy showing your total foolishness. Your the one who keeps citing what #$%$ and the Chinese company does as if it matters. fool
It is I who have said that all this shuck about what abat does reallyi does not matter as it will all come down to whether abat is a valid company and whether #$%$ takes care of us or walks away Haven't I said that in many posts while you were ranting about what #$%$ and abat would and would not do or have done. RIGHT???? FOOL
Idiot I haven't done anyi Wild speculation. I've simply called you on your stupidity and ignorance which you are now showing that I was right. All the drivel you've shouted about with abat and what it has done or will do is irrelevant. Its what #$%$ does about our shares that matters. So you are now admitting I was totally right and all your posts were just drivel.
Thanks for proving me right. Just wish it was from someone who was not a total idiot who spouted nothing but drivel.
SO YOU NOW AGREE WITH ME THAT WHAT ABAT HAS DONE IN THE PAST, WHETHER THEY FILE REGULATORY PAPERWORK, WHETHER THEY HAVE PLAGARIZED, WHETHER THEY ARE FRADULENT, WHETHER THEY ARE PRODUCING ANYTHING IS REALY MOOT AS WE DON'T OWN THEM
YOU NOW AGREE WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WILL MATTER IS WHAT PAPA ABAT AND #$%$ DECIDE TO DO WITH OUR SHARES. WILL THEY ACT IN A WAY TO MAKE US WHOLE OR WALK AWAY.
THANKS FOR FINALLY ADMITTING THAT I'VE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG AND ALL YOUR POSTING ON WHAT PAPA ABAT AND #$%$ HAVE DONE IS ALL MOOT.
Geeze are you a total fool. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Simpleton, A pink sheet company like abat has no rules or exchange requirements. I don't even know whether it is legal to inside trade on a unregulated company. And I know china does not have the same insider rules that we do. On unregulated delisted pink sheet shares like abat, there are no stock trading rules which is why pink sheet stocks are so dangerous. RIGHT???
So unless you can document that there are insider trading rules and that abat mgmt. breached them, you are simply making a greater fool of yourself.
You are the only fool that I know of that does not know what an equal sign is for.
Mental illness. Its your interpretation of what you supposedly read. For example, the difference between audit reports and submit audited reports. Comply with SeC requirements in the future and go back and submit 4 years worth of reports. Having to meet exchange rules when a company is not on an exchange. And all the other comprehension challenges you have shown and I've documented. And you wiggle saying using the definitional meaning of terms and words is playing word games. LOL Heck you don't even know what the word PROVEN means.
Now where are your sources for the information that essentially two plants are shut down?? Parroting from a board poster is worthless as it would be for anyone to quote from the incorrect drivel you consistently as has been documented. Heck, quoting from you would be worse than lying based on your posting value the last week. So lets see you document your claim that 2 of abat's plants are essentially shut down. Don't mean quoting from another poster, don't mean your delusional proven facts, etc. I mean from a reputable verifiable source which you have never quoted from in all your postings.
Think I've shown where almost every one of your sentences I false and/or delusional.
Now I care less about exchange filings, etc. But would like to see some news on sales/deal
Agree and disagree. Agree that I deeply resent the news blackout as we have nothing to gauge the company with between quarters. The joint venture while good news does not sustain the company's fundamentals for an entire quarter.
Disagree: You cannot lay the pps blame on the news blackout. PPS and volume were pathetic well before the news blackout Heck I've been complaining about the volume and pps action since before the 3q. The failure of that 30% 3q ER gain to hold despite the great 4q sales proves my point. Hell with those 4q sales and the good news on the 3q CC, I cannot believe the pathetic 4q pps action well before the 4q cc news blackout this year.
As I stated before we should have at least one last good quarter before the GE sales based on the 4q backlog and the anticipated deliveries this quarter. Now you are totally right, if the 1q sales were bad, and there is no counterbalancing news, then we are in trouble till the GE sales kick in.
Here's to hoping for good news and a strong 1q cc. Based on those anticipated 1q deliveries, thinking of playing the ER again Any ideas????
You sure have been right on the lousy xone execution and poor ERs.
Forgot to check on vjets ER, but so far arcam is the only one executing.
P.S. I do drink occasionally as warranted. Will hold up a blue or gold label up with you to toast arcam, especially if they provide some decent guidance on the cc. After all, given the preliminary earnings release, why hold this cc so late unless they have some news. Will be interesting to see how the lemmings play the pps going into earnings.
Myself, i'm in a quandary On the one hand I expect that good news will come out of the cc, otherwise why hold it so late. On the other hand, because most of the revenue and earnings won't be till the 3rd or 4th quarter for reasons I stated below, the news may not be as good as some of the lemmings want and that could cause a short term decrease.
In addition to the potential news already discussed, I would like an updated share count to see if they have played any shelf shares and what they intend to do with that registration. Would love to hear them take it off the table.
Speaking of a reverse split, do you realize how much the ratio would have to be to make the pps enough to be considered for listing on a reputable exchange.
But here is too a blue label glass raise
Thanks, call them as I see them. And you are right, investing is risky and a penny stock more than most. But with all the positives I've posted about its substantially more than even money. And as I said, the lowest it will go is 1 cent, my avg is 7 cents with most at 4 cents so my risk is 6 cents at most, my gain is unlimited.
But the bottom line is that print rite will either be successful and worth buying in which case we soar or not in which case we go bk. The fact the the big boys are still signing contracts to test and experiment with the software, that the major players liked printrite enough to schedule their next meeting at sigma to see the software in action and the potential revenue of starting contract printing all suggest that it will be the former rather than the latter, hence my buy.
We know the numbers from the preliminary release unless they changed for some reason. So the main reason for the cc and then the demonstration is to provide more insight and guidance on the future which hopefiully will be positive. Default commercialization, insight sales, printer contract sales and hopefully some word from the testing companies. But given that insight only has one quarter under its belt, default was just released and contract sales haven't begun, the real revenue and profit can't be expected to q3 or q4, so we have time. Now the 64000 question is how will the pps perform between these time points I am optimistic but may wait till the cc and demonstration to add more shares and many lemmings may expect results before the company really gears up. What I need to see is that the company is gearing up.
LOL, love your analogy. But compared with the other 3ders its PE is small. And it is one of only 2 that makes money, the only one that is really executing and has strong top and bottom line growth with technology improvements AND the correct me if im wrong but the only company which has a deal with GE which will be the foremost 3d mfg, albeit not till 2017/18 That warrants a high vauluation, being the only executing company in an expanding industry. And contrary to the media, I don't really even consider the consumer part of the market.
However, as I keep saying. Volume and pps action is pathetic. Heck, Friday's 2100 volume is well less than either of our post split holdings which is simply PATHETIC.
Agree totally, with the 3q and 4q sales and the ending 4q backlog, many of which should be delivered in q1, we should have a good 1q ER and I may play it again especially if I decide to move in at 17 and 18. Last time bought a lot in the 18s and sold those hot shares in the 22/23s.
My shock was despite all the good 4q news, like the 3q, the pps did not hold. Do not understand ith all the positives I've posted before. But this time we have new wildcards. With the news blackout, have no idea what sales have been, where the subsidiaries are, etc Only thing we have is that arcam is still hitting on all cylinders in the aerospace filed as shown by the GE deal, sadly not till 2017/18 and the new joint venture in England. But given all the good news, including the tech front, unless sales fell off the room, I expect good news. Now lets see the pps move. But geeze, Fridays volume was only 2100 shares, far less than even my holdings. Thought the split would help. Sure was wrong.
Disagree. Would rather they use the money to avoid another dilutive secondary, pay for growth such as buying another printer or using it to market its products. If it takes care of all this, then consider buying back shares.
But come on. One of the reasons that sigma's pps has been so week is because of that shelf offering. Ludicrous. Rather than buying back shares, it would help us more to take that shelf overhand off the table. RIGHT???