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peristentone 41 posts  |  Last Activity: Mar 21, 2014 1:40 PM Member since: Nov 14, 1999
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  • peristentone by peristentone Mar 21, 2014 1:40 PM Flag

    What percentage of SNFCA's sales and net earnings are attributable to each of its business segments, including mortgage origination?

    What was last quarter's earnings in the mortgage origination business, and did management give guidance on when that segment might hit bottom?

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    DTA Value?

    by dpsimswm Jan 27, 2014 8:09 AM
    peristentone peristentone Feb 8, 2014 8:44 PM Flag

    That's simply gambling, betting on interest rates like you would bet on a commodity.

    What made MSRs interesting in early 2013 was that you could calculate very high IRRs buying them at market rates without making any upward assumptions about future interest rates. That's no longer the case.

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    DTA Value?

    by dpsimswm Jan 27, 2014 8:09 AM
    peristentone peristentone Feb 3, 2014 11:02 PM Flag

    What value would the DTA ever have to IMH? Won't they be able to use the net operating losses to offset future earnings? They clearly won't make enough from earnings to even put a dent in the $489 NOL. Therefore the DTA - which does eventually expire worthless - is effectively a sunk asset that will never realize any value?

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    DTA Value?

    by dpsimswm Jan 27, 2014 8:09 AM
    peristentone peristentone Jan 31, 2014 3:24 PM Flag

    Isn't it a little late in the cycle to just start to realize the value of MSRs now? MSRs were a big story early 2013 because they were unwanted and hugely undervalued. Now you have four or five entities that are focused on buying them from banks, and that in turn shot up the prices that everyone pays for those MSRs.

    My point here: where exactly is IMH going to buy any quantity of "cheap" MSRs? The asset class is getting fairly valued now.

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    No comments?

    by rview222 Dec 11, 2013 2:25 PM
    peristentone peristentone Dec 13, 2013 5:30 AM Flag

    They are taking huge losses on the mortgage origination business not breakeven. There isn't a risk of running out of cash, but remember that mortgage origination is a commodity business that normally gets a two to three times earnings valuation. It looks to me like it will be two years to right-size that business back to profitability, and the earnings will be far lower than during the refinance boom. Multiply those future projected earnings times three. It's not a great upside.

  • peristentone peristentone Dec 11, 2013 10:46 PM Flag

    According this bond default calculator, if you leave price blank, enter risk of default at 1% (very low estimate) and enter 2 payments per year and 120 payments remaining and treasury rate at 5% (projecting forward) it calculates the price at around $17.

    So this tends to confirm your thesis.

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    No comments?

    by rview222 Dec 11, 2013 2:25 PM
    peristentone peristentone Dec 11, 2013 3:33 PM Flag

    The MSRs are a good business, but the mortgage origination business is in a freefall and taking on signficant losses. This stock is dead money until that situation is under control.

  • peristentone peristentone Nov 19, 2013 5:42 PM Flag

    No, a fear of bankruptcy would hit the common shares before the preferred. It looks more like the market anticipates more capital being raised. Is that something they have discussed?

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    delisting on monday, sell today

    by gumax2 Nov 15, 2013 8:39 AM
    peristentone peristentone Nov 18, 2013 9:15 PM Flag

    The problem is their market is collapsing. Declining sales means likely negative or no income for a while. How do they fund any dramatic R&D? What products turn around the sales decline?

    It's not so much an imminent bankruptcy as it is a long-term malaise.

    Delisting should crash their shares and you might trade around that event, but I don't see any good fundamentals here for a sustained recovery to a fair valuation.

  • peristentone peristentone Nov 18, 2013 9:12 PM Flag

    What is pressuring the preferred shares when the common is doing so well?

  • peristentone by peristentone Nov 13, 2013 6:06 PM Flag

    Does Alaska trade any bonds or preferred shares, or is all of the debt bank debt?

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    Can someone please explain to me,...

    by roamingmann Nov 7, 2013 7:03 PM
    peristentone peristentone Nov 8, 2013 3:41 PM Flag

    If they reserved in full I don't think the stock would go up even 25 cents. The non-cash losses associated with the real estate trusts are simply mark to market accounting on some residual equity investments IMH has in those trusts. Why do people focus on these things? They are a total non issue.

    What drives this company's value is the operating earnings from real estate services and mortgage refinance and originations. The last earnings report was a bloody catastrophe. That's the one and only part of the income statement IMH needs to fix.

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    Can someone please explain to me,...

    by roamingmann Nov 7, 2013 7:03 PM
    peristentone peristentone Nov 7, 2013 9:52 PM Flag

    My general impression is that there ia massive conspiracy among the banks to not take losses on their defaulted loans. A lot of these homes are sitting unforeclosed in a limbo state, with the defaulter living for free in the property. And banks then foreclose in an orderly fashion over many years, so they can take their losses in a way that doesn't put them into negative book value. As things turned out, real estate turned, and when they liquidate the property they take it back and the bank then sells at breakeven or a profit. So it may be that the losses will roll through for quite a while.

    Those losses have very little to do with how IMH is being valued. 95% of the collapse of this stock has to do with the fact that their operating earnings for mortgage lending went hugely negative.

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    Branch visit

    by timehusk Oct 27, 2013 5:30 PM
    peristentone peristentone Nov 6, 2013 7:35 PM Flag

    How would an acquiring bank value FMAR? Probably it would value on the basis of the existing accounts, and those have value. You cannot say that installed base is worthless.

    The negative book value is because of one time events. It's not a forward trend.

    Inability to make positive earnings here is unfortunate. They received too much from refinancings and that has gone away. But if they can even get to breakeven by increasing fees that is enough to let them go to positive earnings as economy recovers.

    The real short-term event is the preferred shares that are due at end of year. But that's only about $15M of par value remaining to be paid? It seems pretty realistic that they can rollver to new preferred shares with a sweetener to extend the maturity.

    The important question here is how can we value a bank that has negative earnings and book value.

  • peristentone peristentone Oct 29, 2013 9:54 PM Flag

    What are some specific CUSIPs of Puerto Rican bonds that you think show the trend of the group?

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    Slow, steady fall back to $2

    by i_call_b_s Oct 29, 2013 11:14 AM
    peristentone peristentone Oct 29, 2013 9:42 PM Flag

    Take GAAP earnings and back out non cash losses, and that means a lot. Because the source of the losses will eventually stop, and nothing in those losses will cause any liquidity crisis that puts them out of business. Those GAAP losses just mean we don't pay taxes for a long long time. On a pure operating basis they make money.

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    Slow, steady fall back to $2

    by i_call_b_s Oct 29, 2013 11:14 AM
    peristentone peristentone Oct 29, 2013 4:03 PM Flag

    How do you get $2 market cap when the company has $2.50 in operating earnings excluding non cash historical losses? Those accumulated losses means they won't be paying taxes for years, and the earnings fall straight through to cash flow.

    Even if they have $1.50 normalized operating earnings, after removing the refinance volumes, that is still a PE of 5 against the current stock price.

    Justify a $2 stock price.

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    FMAR MAJOR INSIDE SALE

    by jmstocks75 Oct 16, 2013 3:55 PM
    peristentone peristentone Oct 22, 2013 7:31 PM Flag

    What valuation technique are you using to guess at a 40 cent basement price?

    How do you value a bank with negative book value and negative earnings?

    If we valued them based on what other banks pay on a per customer basis or for deposits what would be the enterprise value of the bank?

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    This is what happens when a CEO sells

    by patentcolo Oct 9, 2013 10:37 AM
    peristentone peristentone Oct 9, 2013 4:55 PM Flag

    What % of his holdings did he sell?

  • peristentone peristentone Sep 27, 2013 8:23 PM Flag

    When will BAC settlement be paid in?

    Will regulator allow a special dividend?

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