If one or the other owns a particular stock, I will check the stock out. If both are in it, that gives me a lot of confidence to buy. I have seen them wrong before, but the odds are in your favor to buy. Keep in mind though that they are long term holders, not looking for a quick profit and theAn run. This is not an endorsement of the CEO. I think someone else would likely have run the company much better. The $600 million in debt at 9 percent was a terrible mistake in my opinion. That mess is finally being cleaned up. Overall, I understand the disappointment in the stock by many on this board. I think many BOD would have had a vote of no confidence by now. We all know that there is risk in the stock. It's selling at $4 for a reason.