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planetlearn 2910 posts  |  Last Activity: 6 hours ago Member since: Mar 26, 2007
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  • planetlearn planetlearn 6 hours ago Flag

    I'm looking for a quick trade to fade the TZA. Havent pulled the trigger, looking for a quick pop to fade around 16.30ish

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    Days like these are why I hedge

    by planetlearn Sep 22, 2014 12:03 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 22, 2014 3:35 PM Flag

    you got a better price than. I just sold my calls for a nice two day trade gain. Good luck..

  • planetlearn planetlearn Sep 22, 2014 2:29 PM Flag

    Unless you were alloted shares at 68, baba is trading lower today than where it closed and opened on last Friday. Good try youlostthemoney6624. LOL

  • All solars taken it on the chin. YGE and JASO the best relative performers. Glad I got into TZA Friday. I can't help but wonder if this the beginning of the "correction we have all been waiting for.

  • Some nice distribution of shares given the open interest on the 10 strike. If you look at the weekly chart, you will see the cup and handle which I know Stockgrrl drewels over giving jaso a longer term target of 17 plus.

  • That would be a nice change for once. Option traders have had it too easy selling the 10 calls and selling the 9 puts. Time for a new range to establish itself between 10 and 11.

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    they can't raise rates you fools

    by listen_to_xb Sep 17, 2014 2:15 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 18, 2014 11:55 AM Flag

    The FED may not raise rates, but the market is getting ahead of them and raising the rates on treasuries big time. The moves have been fairly dramatic in the last month. I'm surprised there isn't much chatter about this.

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    Inverse head and shoulders.

    by chasendamoney Sep 17, 2014 11:57 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 18, 2014 9:45 AM Flag

    Inverse head and shoulder? What time frame are you looking at?

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    planetlearn ?

    by bookmark007 Sep 14, 2014 11:58 AM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 14, 2014 3:39 PM Flag

    Selling cash secured puts is very similar to selling covered calls. But again, implied volatility in spwr right now is pretty low so their is not alot of premium to collect. Ideally, with options you want to sell volatility and buy low volatility. The beautiful thing about options is that you can choose an option strategy that best fits the level of volatiltiy.

    If you sell a cash secured put, the general rule of thumb is that you are willing to own the stock at that strike price. For me, spwr becomes attractive again for initiating a new position around 33-34/share. So I would be looking to sell those strikes/puts. In order to get any decent premium you have to sell time value because the IV is low, so I would be looking at the December strikes.

    But again, the process I oulined with selling calls holds true for selling puts. If you play outside of the envelope, your odds increase of having a successful trade. But again, always know what your second trade is if your thesis or trade changes and goes against you.

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    My first foray

    by mtwashingtonmike Sep 12, 2014 7:05 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 14, 2014 3:26 PM Flag

    Trade_up, I don't disagree with you at all. The name of the game when it comes to managing money in the capital markets is risk management because you never know what the market will do. With that said, the process I outlined is exactly that. Mike's objective was to collect some option premium and not get his shares called away. By selling outside the envelope, you put the odds in your favor, but if it doesn't work out, know what your second move is in advance. Step #2 also has its merrits, but even Warren Buffet has experienced large 50% drawdowns. And step 3, is not without its risks either. Remember Knight Capital?

    Risk management comes in many forms such as asset allocation, smaller bets spread out over many stocks, long/short, use of options etc.

    Does that answer your question?

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    My first foray

    by mtwashingtonmike Sep 12, 2014 7:05 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 13, 2014 3:03 PM Flag

    Nice work Mike. Here is how I look at options and hope you might find it helpful in taking some of the guess work out of the process. Let's assume you want to sell some calls that expire next Friday, September 19th. First, implied volatillity is very low for spwr right now so the premiums will not be all that attrative from a sellers point of view but lets go through the excersize anyway. SPWR closed friday at 38.07 and the implied volatility for september 20 ATM calls or 38 strike is approximately 36.24%. On Monday, you will have 5 trading days left till expiration. Therefore the options are pricing in a one standard deviation move of approximately $1.67 up or down. I got $1.67 by multiplying 38.07 * .3624 * SQroot 5/365. The normal distribution curve from statistics tells us that 68% of all outcomes will be between one standard deviation or between 36.40 and 39.73. Or a 32% chance spwr will close outside that window.

    This is helpful in selecting strikes to sell. Given these odds, I would look immediately to selling the 40 strikes as the odds are in my favor of not being called out. This gets you off the starting block and into the game. However, stocks just like opponents in a competition, things can change quickly. So knowing what your second move is in advance is critical. If it expires worthless, you keep the premium and the stock and live to trade another day. If it is in the money, you can either take your profits and leave the table, or you can stay to play another week or longer by rolling up and out the covered call while keeping your stock. So lets assume spwr closes at 40.50 Friday. Your options are in the money so to buy them back you might pay .55 cents near the close. You would then look to the next week or following week to find a strike price that is equal to or higher than 40.50 and where you can sell a call for more than what you paid to buy it back. Therefore, never relinquishing your shares. So no need to sweat it out.

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    Anyone shorting Crude?

    by bucketonickels Sep 10, 2014 11:46 AM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 10, 2014 11:59 AM Flag

    The USO looks like a good trade opportunity. Similar to GTAT, IV is very high and underling extremely oversold. Sell the puts and buy some calls. I actually may take this one.

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    Anyone else buying GTAT here?

    by bucketonickels Jul 30, 2014 12:17 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 10, 2014 11:39 AM Flag

    Implied volatility is high and the stock is stretched on the downside statistically. This scenario usually favors selling options and capturing time decay. With that said, I'd consider selling some OTM puts and perhaps taking advantage of the recent carnage to go long some calls six or more months out. FWIW

  • Who wants to carry two items. In order for GPS tracking of distance, pace and time etc., you need the iphone nearby. Not gonna happen on a long run, bike or swim.

  • planetlearn planetlearn Sep 9, 2014 2:54 PM Flag

    You have to have your phone with you. GPS works through the phone not the watch apparently.

  • Watch has no GPS and can only keep track of info through a wifi connection with your iphone. This won't replace Garmin, tomtom or other sport smart watches. Not 100% sure, but all these features only work on the iwatch if your iphone is nearby to relate to. Not for me. Sorry Aapl, but I do like the new phone and will upgrade my 4s most likely.

  • planetlearn planetlearn Sep 9, 2014 1:41 PM Flag

    I agree. Gap on the 2 hour chart around 9.65.

  • Stock will go higher.

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    Why down suddenly?

    by trade_up_whenever Sep 4, 2014 3:47 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 5, 2014 3:59 PM Flag

    Actually, Implied volatility aka IV is the here and now. It is a dynamic calculation and changes in real time and does include all the factors you mentioned. In relative terms you can compare historical volatility with the current implied volatility and get a sense if the option market is pricing in something happening in the future.

    For example, historical volatility might be 40% but the implied volatility is 70%. Therefore, you know the options market is pricing in a future event that could cause the underling to move within a bigger window. Hence, why you pretty much always see implied volatility and premium for options go up before earnings and then quickly losing value after the news is out.

    Options, price in the probabilities of the future not the past. So based on implied volatility and standard deviations of it, you can determine the likelihood or probability of where the underling will be and put on your strategy accordingly.

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    Why Up Suddenly?

    by rr.rr9989 Sep 5, 2014 1:18 PM
    planetlearn planetlearn Sep 5, 2014 2:21 PM Flag

    Its up because stockgrrl says everything reverts to its 4 dma. Haven't you learned anything yet! LOL

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