From the same article, and this is very intriguing...
"There is no evidence of illegal activity, such as the “defeat devices” used by Volkswagen."
So if there are no defeat devices like VW used I wonder how these vehicles test differently in the 2 different testing methods?
Just wanted to make sure you should still be on ignore. Yup.
Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:36pm EDT
Detroit Three, UAW will square off over wages, U.S. jobs
"Labor accounts for a declining share of a vehicle's cost, said Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Center for Automotive Research, noting that the three automakers' costs for UAW members fell to 5.7 percent last year from 11.5 percent in 2007."
I don't make this stuff up.
"You might be talking about UAW final assembly labor."
No, I am talking total Labor, all workers welding, painting, assembling, material handling, etc. Labor.
"But there is also labor buried into every component put into that car, and it WOULD have been UAW labor except they charge too much. "
Man. Ok, you do know every single car manufacturer buys finished parts from suppliers, right? So when Ford does it its no different than any other manufacturer. Also, the labor to make those parts, at the supplier, is part of the cost of the part. It is not Labor that Ford pays it's workers. I understand there is labor in the cost of the part, but you can't blame the worker on Ford's assembly line for that.
"So it all gets outsourced, and all the UAW gets to do anymore is hang the outsourced assemblies in the car."
So you've never been in a car plant before. You don't know what goes on in an automotive assembly plant based on what you typed because you might was well type about the tennis courts we have in there, you know, since the workers don't do anything and don't work. Yeah, they demanded tennis courts in the plant during negotiations or else they were going to strike. There are paved courts and grass courts for the purists. Type that.......you will be just as accurate.
I don't know about GM but Ford has been insourcing work for years. This year at our plant they put in two new areas. One for sequencing rear axles and another for sequencing leaf springs. About 4 - 5 years ago they put in a from rotor build-up line, all insourced.
You were able to get info when no news source was able to get it?
LOL, I am not 2nd tier, and I am Skilled Trades. Worth it? There's a reason I am on the Launch Teams for both of the vehicles we are launching here (already launched F-650/750).
You have no clue.
Currently, labor makes up about 5.2% of the cost to build a vehicle.
The transit is the #1 commercial van in Europe. Ford is currently number 1 in commercial vehicle sales in Europe....but of course you already knew that since we are the same person. Long drive from Scandanavia to the Ford plant in Ohio. ;)
Temporary workers cannot vote on a contract that they will not be held to because, well, they are temporary. That kinda blows your claim about them out of the water.
The contract was voted down by 65% of the voters. Chrysler has a 45% second tier so that means the Tier 1 workers were also voting "no," on a purely mathematical basis. We don't know for sure what the mix actually was, but even the math cannot support your claim.
"So I hear that the UAW is imploding as I type this post..."
From where? Please provide info so we too can go read up on it and be informed.
"... with Jimmy Settles being completely out of touch with everybody under age 50 and now being accused of settling with Chrysler without authority to do so."
Jimmy Settles, the VP of the Ford Department at the UAW who is negotiating with Ford, LEFT the Ford negotiations to go settle the negotiations at FCAU? What a rogue, eh? :P
" I am also told that many UAW members are saying that they want to strike just for the sake of striking..."
Told by whom? They really prefer to go on strike, collect $200 a week (no typo), and drag the company down? That's not what I am hearing..........in the plant......
"... a band of drunken smoking bowlers..."
Yeah, that's who builds those millions of cars every year that everyone is driving.......only those kinds of people.....incredible, isn't it?
" I give you the bankrupt city of Detroit, a model for what happens when unions start to cannibalize themselves like cancerous cells."
October 10, 2013
Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick ...., 43, was convicted of racketeering conspiracy, fraud, extortion and tax crimes. The government called it the "Kilpatrick enterprise," a yearslong scheme to shake down contractors and reward allies.
Agents who pored over bank accounts and credit cards said Kilpatrick spent $840,000 beyond his salary during his time as mayor.
...was sentenced Thursday to 28 years in prison for corruption...
You don't think it had ANYTHING to do with this kind of stuff?
Well, that's enough time wasted on you.
I guess this is the first ever contract negotiations for you?
The way Collective Bargaining works is a TENTATIVE agreement is reached by the bargaining parties (company and union), and then the tentative agreement needs to be evaluated and voted on by the rest of the membership. If the contract meets their approval they vote for it and then the tentative contract becomes valid. If it does not meet their approval they vote against it, and then the tentative contract never becomes valid. At this point a revised contract is negotiated between the parties.
This is typical, common, and the way it always is. What you describe is an uninformed view of how this goes. I hope my explanation helps clear that up for you.
Nevermind, people with usernames like yours automatically go on ignore anyway.
Ford has an exclusive on it for a defined amount of time in North America but I have not found any reports as to how long that is.
When Derrick Kuzac, VP of Product Development, came to that position from Europe he was surprised to find that the Engineers were dictated as to what they were supposed to design rather than letting Engineers do what they do.....dream and innovate. While walking through the department for the first time he asked an Engineer what he was working on. The response was "Whatever you want me to." That was when he learned that more than just direction came from the top. Innovation was decided on at the top rather than those with the vision and abilities. He started the PD department having freedom to self motivate and pursue their own ideas.
I agree, Mulally is likely the one that really started the notion of taking risks, looking to be the one to think in ways others were not, and to push the PD department to come up with new things.
Some of the things I know about the company can be seen in the example I gave above. Ford came out with the aluminum truck. Everyone worried about how much that was going to add to the cost and the durability......meanwhile, Ford had already been working for years on how to address exactly that. Now we see the result with the micro mill aluminum process; exponentially faster and cheaper production, and higher formability and strength. There are 130 patents for that process.
Ford's 1.nothing litre engine has won Engine of the Year for 3 years straight, it's entire existance. Ford achieved what no one else could with a 3 cylinder engine as far as NVH goes with their weighted pulley and flywheel.
The 6.7L diesel that they designed came out and then a few weeks later GM came out with spec's for their diesel that exceeded Ford's. Ford went right back into the PCM and cranked up torque to far exceed GM's. The ability was already there in the engine, they were holding back on purpose. That purpose is demonstrated in the new Super Duty frame.
You have no idea what Ford is working on, and they are doing far more than ever before. ;)
Ford has been insourcing a lot since 2008. A lot of work has been brought back in house in order to have more control over quality and reduce cost by not having to pay suppliers for their labor and their company profit on top of that.
People see on the news when a vehicle is moved south and stuff like that, but there are no reports on brake rotor assembly being brought back into the Ford plants, part sequencing jobs, and those type of tasks being brought back in, but they have been for some time now. Ford got into trouble with the Canadian Government for insourcing work that was previously done by an outside contractor and it caused that company to shut 2 plants. There's a lot going on that is not publicly known.
Wow, broke this one out of retirement, eh? Last post in February. Why don't you use your regular alias? LOL.
Fly, I agree.
Still behind Ford on towing and hauling capacity....work....which a truck is for......while GM has made every innovation to take the truck to the next level? Seems like they need to catch up to the current level.
F-Series sales up 28%, and NOW they are going to START filling commercial fleet orders on top of that. What mid-sized truck do they NEED?
Also, the new additional frame supplier is supposed to start providing units this month.