theresno You may be right in your theory that poor people will want more govt and wealthy people less, but if they knew what creates prosperity for the most people, they would all want less government and more freedom. It was governments handout checks provided no man was in the house that drove the black single mother figures up. Before that black illegitimacy was in decline. After that it began to rise. We see poor people from many countries with powerful controlling governements flock here to participate in our prosperity, and because of their economic ignorance, once here they support people whose policies will lead to the same scarcity, poverty and lack of opportunity that exist in their native countries that they came here to escape.
Biel is probably representative of the economic ignorance and resentement prevalent among so many the those who support Obama. They do not know enough to know that the only chance they have to be prosperous and avoid the welfare plantation is to support conservatives who believe in economic freedom. So they let their emotions run away with them and call everyone who opposes Obama because he is a socialist/communist who is destroying freedom, prosperity and opportunity, a racist. Sadly they are the true racists.
Don't you know enough by now to know Obama is a liar? What he says cannot be taken as evidence that what he says is true.
It is being reported that a certain well known minority is being asked to register in the east ukraine city of
Donetsk, and to furnish a list of their property and to pay a registration fee. This is being done by people wanting to become a part of Russia again, and is terrible, but is just what one should expect from socialists/communists who have done this before to this same minority.
It is becoming more apparent now that the real reason for the BLM attack on Bundy was the fact that a Chinese Solar company wants the land for its purposes, and it has , as an officer, a son of Harry Reid. So we have here another effort of the corruption of the socialist/communist gang headed by Obama , Reid, and Pelosi.
It is interesting to note that a new Fox poll shows that abut 37% think Obama lies most of the time, 24% think he lies some of the time and 20 % think he lies now and then. Only 15% think he never lies. In other words, the vast majority think Obama is a liar. This is a very sad indication for our country because it seems to indicate that Obama was elected by people who thought he was a liar, lacking in honesty and integrity. And it suggests that those who elected him knew they were electing a dishonest person who would lie and cheat on their behalf. It is highly questionable whether a country, a substantial number of whose citizens think govt should be used to cheat their fellows, can maintain freedom and prosperity. Persons who think this way are so apt to be caught up in the covetousness and jealously that Obama and his gang of socialist/communists so love to inflame.
Elk: Apparently you do not like anyone to talk about or investigate Benghazi . What is it you admire about the way Obama , Hilary and gang betrayed our people in Benghazi, and left them to be tortured and killed?
Obama care is doing what Obama intended for it to do - destroy jobs , destroy opportunity, raise taxes, increase national debt, and cripple the 1/6 of the national economy that is health care to pave the way for total governmental takeover. And it gives Obama's chorus of socialists and fraudster cheerleaders some additional falsehoods to promulgate.
Of course Obamacare is not working. All that has happened is that Obama and gang have finagled with the method of figuring and the numbers sufficiently to obtain whatever figures they thought they needed to claim it is a success. You can be reasonably sure that whatever figure they need to support a claim of success will be forthcoming from them But , in fact, Obama care is destroying jobs and opportunity, reducing the availability and quality of health care, and increasing taxes and debt, just as the socialists/communists always intended it would do.We have a president and his gang who have lied so repeatedly and brazenly as to render themselves totally unworthy of belief.
fraudbuster: The think we see so often from the liberals is that they cannot debate on ideas, since the only ones they have are bad and have failed over and over again, so they launch into personal attacks. In fact, personal attack is their chief political weapon, and for any one that actually wants the good of all, it is a very pernicious form of politics, since it discourages many able but sensitive people from even running for office. It is so true that socialism always brings the worst people to the top because they are the only ones who will do what needs to be done to get there in a socialist system.
History has demonstrated over and over again that governments headed by socialists/communists like Obama are corrupt. The more the socialists/communists are able to become heads of important departments or important officials, the more corrupt the government is. So what we are seeing in terms of the lies and corruption of Obama's gang is exactly what those of us who know something about the history of people and officials with the socialist/communist mentality are seeing exactly what we expected to see.
The democrats and the conservative republicans have not really reversed roles, Elk. The conservative republicans still believe in individual freedom and the right of the individual to use his abilities to prosper, and the democrats still believe in controlling and regulating the lives of the poor, who they do their best to put and to keep on the welfare plantation.
It is tragic that a civil war had to be fought to end slavery,whch could have been ended peacefully over time if more reasonable heads had prevailed. And as you may recall, it was the republican party that led the way to the ending of slavery. Even more tragic was the way that, after the victory neither side could forgive and forget. The republicans of the north sent in the carpet baggers to loot the south, while the democrats formed the #$%$, whose members were almost all democrats, and passed discriminatory laws aimed against blacks. If it had not been for those discriminatory laws, passed and enforced by democrats, we would have eliminated most of the race based problems we suffer from today, and most of the hostility that Obama,Sharpton, and gang have done their best to inflame and take advantage of.
ravage Obama, and you apparently, sail along in blissful disregard of fundamental economic principles. Raising the minimum wage, other things being equal, does not increase employment - it lowers it. It is no accident that the real unemployment rate is about 12.7%. It is a direct result of the failed policies of the liberals such as having the EPA attack major businesses with unnecessarily burdensome regulations, and Obamacare, and hampering energy production and preventing the Keystone pipeline, and raising the tax burden, just to scratch the surface of their misguided policies.
Elk Don't buy into the Obama gang's silly line about Obama care not killing jobs. When you raise the cost of a good, here labor, the amount of that good purchased goes down. Of course this goes contrary to the liberal's announced good intentions, so they ignore this basic principle, just as they ignore all the unintended bad consequences that flow from most of their misguided policies.
bec It may be that Obama will be able to teach americans the evils of socialism/communism relatively quickly, since the hurt he is putting on most americans is becoming ever more apparent and painful. His job killer, Obamacare, is now, I think , being recognized as the job killer it is. And even those college graduates who have been subjected to economically ignorant sociology and history professors, can understand the fact that they can't get a decent full time job.
The fact that our command/control liberals seem unable to grasp is that their policies do not work to do what they say they want to do. They claim to want to eliminate poverty, but they have waged a war on it at tremendous expense since 1965 but have more poverty than ever, due to their promotion of handouts from the government, instead of promoting self sufficiency and individual effort. They claim to want a vigorous economy but attack private business and glorify and increase government control, so that, as witness Obama and gang's miserable failure in this regard, they prevent the development of a vigorous economy. Their policies produce more dependence on government, more on food stamps, more on no work or part time jobs, and less opportunity for the young people. And in health care, they fail again, increasing costs for most americans, especially for those who work, and reducing quality and availability of service. Like the pigeon Putin is supposed to have analogized to negotiationg with Obama, they #$%$ on the chess board, knock over a few pieces and then strut around loudly proclaiming their victory and achievements.
The number of people Liebama will kill through his takeover of health care through Obamacare far exceeds those who will be saved by it. His socialist/communist scheme is being recognized as the evil that it is , as it runs up health insurance premiums, makes access to care harder to get, and destroys jobs. The Drats are running from it as fast as they can, telling every lie they can think of to distance themselves from it. But I believe they have been seen through by most of the public. Genuine reforms could certainly be made in health care. But Liebama's law is not of them. Ask anyone who has lived under communist rule.
critket: Obama is also a miserable failure in the economic area. He has destroyed at least 4,000,000 full time jobs, has greatly increased the number on food stamps, has greatly increased unemployment (true rate now about 12.7 %) , and has raised our national debt as a percent of GDP from about 68% to about 101%. Socialism/communism always increases scarcity and lessens prosperity and opportunity, but the big time socialists do not really care about the rank and file, since they plan to be at the top of the heap. So Obama does not really care that his job killing machine , Obamacare, is killing jobs. It is, as he sees it, helping his gang of socialists/communists get more power and wealth for themselves.
Boos: When we consider public finance we ought to consider the contributions and achievements of Obama and his socialist/communist gang. I heard some interesting facts concerning this today.
National Debt - in 1980 (pre Obama) it was about 68% of GDP and now is 101% of GDP -A truly significant achievement which should please all those who want to see our young people suffer lack of jobs and opportunity .
Full time jobs - in 1980 we had 4 million more full time jobs than now. Another achievement for our socialist/communist gang, in their drive for a command economy. Obamacare has already played a part in this, and will continue to work its job killing magic as we go forward.
Food stamps - A large increase, both percentage wise and numerically in the number of Americans now on food stamps as compared with pre Obama.
Number of unemployed americans - Many millions more now than pre Obama.
And there are several other major economic indicators, all of which are much worse after Obama than before.
But not to worry. Obama will tell you how good his intentions are, as will Jay Carney, Harry Reid, Nancy
Pelosi , and Al Sharpton. Hooray for good intentions. Who cares about the resulting poverty, stagnation, and hardship.