Is that why Obama sent his bust back to England, or did Obama just have an uncontrollable desire to spit in the face of the country which, more than any other, brought modern principles of law, commerce, and civilization to the non Christian world?
Elk:Islam means surrender, but it is supposed to be surrender to the will of God. The tragedy of islam is that in its book there are numerous passages that call for conduct that cannot possibly be the will of God, although it might well have been the will of the prophet. It is time for the leaders of islam to recognize that the murder and subjugation of people of different faiths, the secondclass status of women, the denial of religious freedom to leave islam for another religion, and the murder of those who insult or ridicule the prophet cannot possibly be the will of God, who loves all people, and one of whose fundamental gifts to each individual is freedom of religious belief.
Lonesome: Obama should be calling for the reform of islam. He apparently is an admirer of islam and want to believe that its book does not contain passages that call for things western civilization has rejected as wrong, inhumane, and evil, such as making women second class citizens,such as forbidding free speech if it ridicules or insults their religion or its prophet, such as cruel and unusual punishment, such as calling for one religion, islam, to forcibly dominate people of all other religions. But its book does contain such passages, and they serve as license to unstable minds and sick people to murder in the name of God. Obama and Kerry, by refusing to recognize that Islamic terrorism is in fact Islamic, and to call for the reform of islam, are making a bad situation worse and are helping the radical elements of the Islamic world to recruit and attack.
Flraudbuster: It is very hard for our Head Muslim in Charge to do or say anything that is against islam, even if it is against Islamic terrorists. All world leaders should be calling for the reform of islam so as to eliminate any claim for legitimacy for those passages of its book that call for the murder, subjugation and discrimination against persons who follow other faiths. Women need to be recognized as egual to men in all rights in the sight of God and islam needs to renounce those passages that call for domination of the world by conquest. And the reason that world leaders need to call for this reform is to strengthen those islamists who seek to establish reform. If islam is not reformed, the world in general, and the Islamic nations in particular will pay a terrible price.
Lomesome: There is a crying need for reform of islam. It's leaders have got to take it out of the 8th century primitive doctrines of repression of other religions, domination of women, and murder in the name of God. Both the jewish faith and Christianity have moved beyond the idea of advancing themselves by conquest, and islam must do so also It has got to publically abandon the doctrines that allow every unbalanced dissatisfied person to think he is acting under the auspices of God and doing His will, when he murders and kills non muslims. If our leaders would resolutely call for such change it would be a big help to those muslims who see the need for such change.
How many of these world leaders are going to call for reform of islam by its principal mullahs so that it proclaims that God loves all people equally, that it is wrong in His sight to kill others to advance a religion, and that all people, including wormen, are equal in the sight of God, and that everyone has the right to such religious beliefs as he sees proper, including the right to covert from islam to some other faith without being murdered, that cruel and unusual punishment is wrong, and that the right of anyone to say what he thinks about the prophet without fear of reprisal is absolute.
Churchill was severely critical of the effects of islam on the people who followed it, referred to it as a militant proselytizing faith, and said that no stronger retrograde force existed in the world. Is that why Obama removed the bust of the greatest man of the Twentieth century from the White House?
The racists who tried so hard to pervert justice in the Martin case, and failed, have made Zimmerman's life hell. He has to be admired for not snapping and doing something much worse than throw a wine bottle at his girl friend. Pitting one group of people against another is just a variation on one of the plays our of Allinsky's plalybook for establilshing socialism that Hillary and Obama like so well, and apparently there are plenty of Useful Idiots willing to help them.
As Stalin would say, they are Useful Idiots.
Allinsky set out eight goals for control so as to be able to create a socialist state. They are:
1. Healthcare - control healthcare and you control the people./
2.Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will
not fight back if you are provided everything for them to live.
3.Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this
will produce more poverty
4.Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able
to create a police state
5,Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives ( Food, Housing, and Income)
6.Education - Take control fo what people read and listen to - Take control of what children learn
7.Religion - Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8.Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause discontent and it
will be easier to take (Tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
It looks to me like the socialist democtrats led by Obama have come a long way on Allinsky's road.
Alinsky merely simplified Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism.
Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots."
Lonesome: I agree with you that Islamic Terrorism is a great force for evil, and organizations such as ISIS and Al Qaeda should be fought vigorously and their members destroyed. These people intend to destroy us and we cannot follow a hide head in the sand policy. These radicals commit mass murders , kidnappings, and enslavement of women around the world. But our socialist democrats and even some liberals disguised as republicans are concerned with water boarding them. There is no moral equivalency here. Water boarding does not compare with murder, mass murder or enslavement of women. Our president, either through incompetence or traitorousness, has released a number of these enemies of human rights and western civilization with the full knowledge that most of them will return to try to kill us again. He is now engaging in token resistance to ISIS by air strike, when he should be giving our generals authority to destroy ISIS as quickly as possible by whatever force is necessary, It is far more immoral to allow these misguided people who want to place the world under the heel of Islam to grow in power and domination of people and territory, than it is to destroy them as quickly as possible.
Lonesome: Global Warming is just another area where the Obama Mendacity Principle can be applied. That principle is, of course, that the truth is probably the opposite of what Obama says.
ob, I doubt it. The unemployment figures are bogus, and intentionally so, so that the government can present a rosy picture. They don't count people who quit looking for work and they don't count people who have been unemployed beyond a certain length of time, 2 years, I think If one adds the number of people without a job to the number of working age people not in the labor force, one arrives at about 102 millions americans who are unemployed. Some 14 or so years ago this figure was in the 70 millions. We have record numbers of people on food stamps. True the stock market has gone up, largely as a product of the Fed's relentless inflation that makes it impossible to earn money on savings accounts or interest bearing instruments. But most people are not in the stockmarket.
Lonesome: After looking over Elk's posts, I have concluded that he is not only an ignoramus, but a dishonest one at that. I suspect that he could not solve a differential equation if his life depended upon it, that he can not speak or even read a single foreign language, nor could he tell us any of the fundamentals of economics, nor anything of the two great systems of law in the western world. In fact I suspect that he does not even know what they are. But I will grant that he is very misguided, and perhaps a little below normal intelligence.
Elk: Fox, realizes, as you apparently do not, that isam is a primitive religion that that was spread by conquest and that has missed the point of true religion which is to reunite with the goodness and love that is God. It has never been able to escape from its primitive 8th century teachings of hatred for and death to those who do not accept its dogma. As the Islamic mullah on Hannity the other night said, Islam does not mean peace, it means surrender. Throughout history the priest class has sought to come between people and God and to make itself important and rich, but most religions have been able to outgrow this and to realize that God is in each of us, and we need no priest or mullah to help us to get to know Him. Islam has never been able toe scape from control by those who rule their religion. Hussein Obama said that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Applying the Obama theorem to this, i.e. that the truth is the opposite of what Obama says, we arrive at the truth, which is: The future must belong to those who slander the prophet of islam.
Elk: Apparently you chose to overlook what is known , and that is that the next cooling off period is very near. The charts go back hundreds of thousands of years. The oscillating waves of heating and cooling show the absolute silliness of the global warming fraudsters. We are very near to a cooling off period and may actually be entering it now.The fraudsters do not want to believe this and will deny it, but it is a very regular and repeating phenomena.
bum : As a matter of fact the next general cooling period of the earth is on the way. I heard a distinguished meteorologist who said that the next ice age was to begin in 150 years or so. When asked what causes ice ages he responded that he did not know, but he did know about when the next one would start because there were charts of the cooling and warming periods going back hundreds of thousands of years. They resemble sine wave charts and oscillate with remarkable regularity. It may be a little early, but we could be seeing the outer fringes of our next cooling period right now. But don't expect the man caused global warming fraudsters to admit this.
No Elk. I just point out the truth about his brazen lying to the people he is supposed to be working for, although most of his conduct suggests that he is working against the people he was elected to work for.
It is instructive to watch the Left launch attacks on important conservative potential candidates. One can tell who they fear most by watching who they attack the most. By this contemptible ploy they hope to drive any sensitive man with good morals and ideas out of the race it gets started. And one can tell what they do or plan to do by seeing what they accuse others of doing or intending to do. And in Obama's case one can almost always arrive at the truth by believing the opposite of what he says.
Lonesome: As I am sure you know, many of the socialist liberals are too ignorant or history, economics and law to realize that it is Christianity that has laid the foundation for the laws and institutions and constitution upon which the rights they claim to cherish such as free speech are based. When they attack Christianity they are poisoning the tree that bears the golden apples.