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FUNNY YOU MENTIONED YOU GOT 10K AND GOT OUT

AND HATED THIS STOCK AND SAW 23 COMING NOW YOU CANT WAIT TO LOAD 21K

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WELL IF ITS WORKING KEEP AT IT

One of the reasons is they continue to buy in shorts on the open

someone controlling the trading floats and the buy in pushes it up

just a joke

Exacty

i also look to short mitt book down makes offerring risk even higher now

its about 2 bucks over book

and wmc raliles well we saw mitt take a book hit but i suspect wmc has much more 30 3's and 20 2.5's then mitt

find a spot that is good short regardless and then add that new potential risk.

wmc and mitt both offerring risk so worth a sell anyways.

And short the agnc to look for the alpha instead of direction

Cant see how agnc data was better

can say both are good or bad and its a mark but mtge seemed better

nim up 20 basis - thats gotta be good heading forward

and undis and taxable easily covers the divi agnc seems more questionable

i put on 100k each side and ill keep adding to this

WHICH NEWS IS THAT?

Of course offer risk too so wouldnt jump into it big until it offers.

exactly

its not just tba is the problem - tba made the problem bigger - and can and will spike things up on a positive way if prices rally and hold up when they report again.

good thing with mitt and bad about mtge is that mitt has the non agency while mtge went too much agency with new monies

mtge book drop was much less but would have been even less if more went to non agency.

mitt and wmc have the offering risk to - so what exactly is the upside in either that you would want to stick your neck out.

versus even say mtge or agnc which might have a problem but paid the price - maybe go down more but already took big lump

just not worth owning one that mightttttttttttttttt or does have the other assets.

I think if wmc has assets similar you could see 2 to 5% drop #$%$ of agnc problem was in the specifieds and then 45% was the tba that monthly booked it to cause more pain at least on paper.

good thing is after hits if you can see these specifieds have popped then agnc and mtge will roar back the most as the tba will augment the pop but wont see that for a little bit of time.

that's why to me the uusing tba is stupid - sure can add value on the spread but at what cost - can eat up your cash flow quickly and mtge was doing well so why both tba instead of going with little more non agency which was serving them well.

find out how much they are exposed in 30 3's and 20 2.5's as agnc mentioned and that might help you better decide.

don't forget both agnc and mtge - neither raised the divi but the markets liked the earnings for bth I remember mtge spiked up from 25.75 to 26.50 then they did an offering shortly after.

and how much 30 3's and 20 2.5's do they have - it wasn't just the TBA that caused the problem

there is no problem with tba except when prices go up quickly or down quickly (irrelevant to the hedges though the hedges can protect) but its the asset mix they had that got the hit

and the rolling augmented the negatives just like it can to the upside when prices go and or get marked up.

WELL A FEW THINGS

if the goal of wmc is to grow like agnc has then good strategy can certainly achieve this.

first produce decent and pay and raise - always raise - to get the price up and get people interested and then do offerrings - raise your capitalization and thus your management pay.

I believe agnc hinted that while they didn't want to say it was all quarter long it seemed to be late in the quarter is when they saw the decline and poor performance.

here is the main point - say wmc has absolutely no similar assets to agnc and issues a solid report - not saying 90 or 1.00 but just solid and in line and book holds up - what is your upside - and wont any upside simply run into the s-11 offering they issued recently - as they go up and above book that risk comes into play.

so even before agnc and mtge gave this sector a whiff of fear - wmc on rallies was a sell

remember it was up at 22.50 to 23 then rolled over to 21.80 and now its 21.50 to 22 or so but also with fear big block after hours Thursday was 20.50

so what is you upside right now - im not telling you to get short - but I will on rallies because then p/b is a premium building and ready to run into an offering same goes with mitt

instead get on the sidelines and let wmc show you their numbers and if they go up well okay the upside is limited and then when they offer jump on board same with mitt

look for dx and anh on pullbacks anh for agency safety and dx cause they delivered a number you don't have to guess about - remember you may think wmc has a yield of x percent but are they paying you daily to own it - no

so for me anh and dx on dips and ill counter with hts ralies as they missed and ill sell wmc and mitt ralies but nibble on dips too

and then whats the rush - amtg Monday mitt, two on Tuesday - and wmc soon enough

but if you think wmc will beat by all means you should be long but thast your call

but if they drop enough probably worth the long because they aren't agnc.

and where did agnc put their monies???? same place?

my guess is probably close to exactly the same

why - because its easier to make one bet and just spread to both

mtge in many ways is simply that - agnc plus non agency but less non agency now?

if the specifieds move up and they hinted they have a little - then the roll will heighten those gains as well and you will have book up

probably buying on dips is a decent place to be but so is selling any decent rally and shorting it too.

everyone cares

last quarter loss is not next quarters

if losses continue and right now they are stating marks are up - recovering - but if losses continue - they wont have enough cash on hand - in other words their use of tba has also leveraged their cash flow greatly (their undistibuted cash) which we many wouldl want them to have to keep at the worst a .90 divi for predictabilty

and i have to think that there will be some mention as to why mtge shifted to more tba and less non agency.

as wayne mentioned tba added to good results as well

so while you want to focus on internals which are improving - their tba use which helps juice their spreads in a way - comes at a cost and as an investor do you want this variability?

well whatever im going to eat breakfast.