The purchase by Kinder is really not that much considering his net worth. He could have
made a bigger statement by buying that much every month or every quarter.
how will EPB pay for any drop downs from KMI? They will issue more equity and at low prices which is a real negative. When they issue equity the equity usually falls.
What happens if EPB deteriorates further?
I purchased this company when it was known as General Motors H shares.
It does not need to go after low end users. It is developing home monitor
security which is currently being tested. A year from now that will probably
be ready to go national and international. That should be big.
During the next election cycle DTV and Dish are combining to offer political
advertising to both companies' subscribers. Election years every two and
four years offer another major source of revenue not currently in the company
These two intiatives are not the only new products that will be forthcoming.
DTV has indicated that it is looking at offereing a Netflix or Hulu type product.
The future growth of these offerings and the growth in South America are all
major opportunties to increase cash flow and bottom line in 2015 and later
There is going to be no dividend growth for the next two years.
Also, the poor stock price reflects poor rates for existing pipelines.
This is not going to change for the next couple of years. Sell,
invest somewhere else, collect double the distribution rate and
look at BWP in two years.
Enjoyed our discussion.
Weather is always an issue if you have a 20-30-40 story
builidng and you pay the heat and utilities and you have
a winter that is worse than any in the last 10 years.
(Especially when you are not collecting rent or you are
unable to raise the rent). The buildings will be empty
for a year is my understanding and they have to heat
and cool it for the workers. The colder it gets the higher
Most construction has cost overruns due to rising prices
of the components going into the construction. This
winter energy is very expensive and this cost is going up.
Until analysts like the quarterly reports there is going to
be very little pushing the price up and frankly the markets
should correct down after years of running up.
This is one to follow up on when it shows a bottom, frankly everything should tumble 10-15% after markets have run up on cheap money.
I came looking at this as a possible dividend investment.
Three things struck me negatively:
(1) Basically dividends have remained flat even though they doubled the size of the company over three years.
(2) The Copper Beach transaction is up in the air. They may buy and they may not. Plus Copper Beach has problems as they didn't want some of the properties. Now Copper Beach is behind in next year's commitments according to the latest quarterly by 8%.
(3) Then there are the two big highrise projects. Do students really want to pay for the cost of a high rise compared to a low rise anywhere? Rents are always higher because high rises are more expensive than any 2-3 story.
Where are the positives. JUst because it is an 8% dividend that is not a positive and selling below book value has never driven up a stock.
There is probably a reason they have not sold the acreage at the big dollars.
No one wants it. In addition they are competeing against CHK and ECA for
the sale of acreage and everybody else that is trying to unload acreage.
It is not a sellers market. So what happens when the first quarter ends this
month and the lousy weather further impacts operations?
MY guess is that this drops in price by 10% more.
Why do you keep ignoring the two high rise tower consltruction projects. Do you have any idea of the risk of cost overruns due to weather conditions and construction projects in general and cost of financing them? Obviously not. These are high end buildings and require high end rents. Occupancy in those towers is unknown as they start at zero occupancy and the rents will be the hghest in their portfolio, all risks? By the way, check out all the insider links on Yahoo finance and ignore the stock option gifts and concentrate on open market purchases by officers.
Many investors on the message board are thinking it is a buying opportunity.
The officers tell you all you need to know: SELL, as they sold around 150k shares
The highrise developments are most likely impacted by the extremely poor
weather this winter in North America. Bad weather slows down construction.
Construction delays cause construction interest to go up and delays build out
of your two big high rise redevelopments.
The stock markets are on a tear hitting all time highs and this investment keeps
dropping because the management has doubled the size of the company over
the last three years but has not been able to increase distriubtions to investors
to any great extent.
ASK YOURSELVES WHY TO OFFICERS DUMPTED $1.5 MILLION IN STOCK IN
You hit the nail on the head. They reward management and shaft the retail investor.
If that does not tell every investor to get out and find better mangement it should.
All officers own 2,000 units in total which basically says the management does not want to own any of the equity in the business, except for the nominal 2,000 shares owned by one of the officers.
If I owned the business I would not want to hire any manager or officer that did not put his money where his mouth is, which should be in the company employing him/her.
Glad I passed on the investment each time I looked at the quarterly report I saw no real growth in any area. Each time I looked at insider ownership I saw no officers willing to invest. That tells all astute investors all they need to know.
What happens when the overheated stock market indexes (at all time highs) take a correction. Where do you think BWP is going.
Officers of the corporation own a total of 2,000 shares among them.
That is one reason that anyone holding shares in this investment would
be best served to listen to management. DO NOT OWN BWP and if you
do you do so at your own risk.
Seriously has any investor every heard of a company where the officers of
the company do not want to own any equity in the business???
I looked at this over the last few years as a possible investment and could
never pull the trigger because I saw no real growth in anything.
What a wise decision that turned out to be.
You are correct, this bill will die in committee and never come to the floor for a vote.
Reason, the Koch brothers were against the last bill because they want cheap natural gas for their chemical plants. The Koch brothers have bought the key Congressmen and Senators to bottle up any legislation that could result in higher natural gas prices and more demand for the fuel.
When the market corrects everything should drop in price.
Even with no growth, poor operations, poor management
this is probably a buy after the market correction, especially
if you get it at $4.00.
I have posted previously on this board about the problems for CLNE energy. My posts disclosed that retail sellers of fuel to end users usually have low margins. It does not matter if you are selling electricitiy or gasoline. Also the stations that sell fuel to vehicles are charging CLNE a 50% cut in sales to build station pumps on their land. This further cuts into any profit potential for CLNE.
It is diffiuclt to be the last distributor in the fuel chain and especially when your rent is so high on each vehicle filled (i.e. 50% to the actual station owner/landlord/truckstop).
There is a reason that CLNE is unable to make money. Even if volume sales double the profit is not significant per share to drive the price of shares. What is the big deal if a company earns 5 cents a share per quarter? No reason to buy these shares when you can buy the natural gas producers like ECA or CHK or DVN or COP.
This company has taken over to high rise buildings and is converting them into dorms. Also, the towers are going to be the most expensive properties requiring higher rents. Operating a highrise is always more expensive than a 1-2-3 story building. Will students pay expensive rents to fill the towers or will they be 20-25% vacant. If vacancy is high or the costs to convert exceed the budget, then the performance for CCG could be worse than last year.
The new acquisition should be a concern also. Did they over pay for it? That is always a question with an acquisition. Also, in the latest report they disclosed that rent commitments for the next year when compared to the same period a year earlier shows commitments on the acquisition to be 8% lower than the same time last year.
Uncertainty is never good for a stock. You might earn 8% in a dividend but what good does that do you if the share price in 2014 is down $1 per share over the 2013 price. Then what happens if they are having cost issues in converting the high rise towers and that comes to light in late 2014? Could it drop another $1 in share price. Sure. Just look what is happening here in 2014 as to price.
The company is asking shareholders to gamble with them. Over the last three years they have doubled the size of the company but the dividend has not really grown (basically no growth). Uncertainty on the new acquistion and the two towers is gambling. If winter weather continues to be bad in my opinion that delays the redevelopment of the high rise towers. Delay on the towers causing more interest to be paid on the construction projects and delay in renting them up.
If the acquisition they made last year does not improve rental commitments for next year during the next 30 days then there will be more negative news in the next quarterly report. I assume they will have to report that winter weather has effected the construction projects.
You say safety of owning the company. The company is redeveloping two high rise towers into student housing. This is always a risk. They also disclosed that the rent up for next year on the acquisition is 8% behind the previous year. It appears the acquistion target may underperform for them.
Selling for less than book value is not a positive it is actually a negative. Companies that are selling for under the value of their assets means that
investors are not attracted to the security. Selling for multiples of book value
is actually a better investment.
You are owning this for the wrong reason. Anyone that held this for the last year and collected the dividend actually did not make any money.
It looks like 2014 will be like 2013 in terms of price decline.
Existing real estate is not going to contribute to any significant dividend growth for investors.
Why do you think this stock has declined substantially while most stocks in North America have gone up during the last few years?
Why do you think the stock price is up 50% from its low of the last 12 months?
Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway has bought a ton of the stock during the
last 18 months. Do you think they know what they are doing at Berkshire
Hathaway and DTV?
Google search market penetration of cable and satellite in the countries of
South America. You will see that the two largest countries, Mexico and Brazil
have cable/satellite in 35-40% of the homes. Government projections are
that the numbers will double by the end of the decade.
What do you think that will do for the numbers for providers like DTV.
DTV already has 17 million customers south of the border. If Latin America
doubles its users of cable and satellite over this decade what do you think
that will do for DTV?
All posters on this thread should look at the last three year history. Yes they are growing in size but they are unable to translate that into any increase in the dividend which means they are growing but the growth in size and cash flow does not contribute anything to the shareholder distribution.
Dividend growth is absent and the income per bed is not growing sufficiently to increase the dividend. Given the option to invest in companies that grow dividends each year or those that
don't grow and you get stock brokerage firms placing buys on those equities that are growing distribution. This equity is on every brokerage list for not growing distributions which is a big
negative in the investment community and it is the investment community and search engines that investors use to find companies growing distributions. Without that the following for this company is not very substantial and therefore demand for the equity is not very substantial. This effects price of the equity and while the U.S. stock indexes have hit all time highs during the last year, there is not
much demand for this equity and that is reflected in it selling for less than book value. Selling for
a cheap price so to speak is really saying there is no demand for a company that has not increased the dividend for three years and that will probably be the same story in 2014.
they are not going out of business but they are not going to make the dividend coupon clippers any money other than the 5% dividend and when factoring in the decline in share price they are not making any money. A 5% return is lousy.
I see no reason to own this equity. The dividend does not justify holding as the equity has
been in free fall when North American stock indexes have been going up to all time highs.
Management has cut the dividend down to a level not seen in 15 years. There is no real
growth and my reading of the financial information indicates that there is more pain to come
with all the coal fired power plants in their asset base.
I would be surprised if this does not fall much lower during the year wiping out any dividend