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richardleeds 16 posts  |  Last Activity: 23 hours ago Member since: Apr 1, 1999
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  • The sad thing about McDonald's buying expired meat
    and selling it is that the management in China
    trusted the Chinese to not sell them tainted food.
    Why would anyone who knows the Chinese
    trust them to give them the required specified
    product? I think McDonald's management was
    When dealing with the Chinese you have to test
    what you buy or you get inferior product-components

    Tainted food, tainted water, tainted air are a given in
    China. It is a major polluted
    environment and that includes food and water and
    it is only getting worse.

    This is one reason that wealthy Chinese have been
    flooding into home purchases in Australia, Canada
    and the U.S. over the last decade. The city of Irvine
    in Southern California according to the L.A. Times
    this week is now 43% Asian.

    You have to wonder about McDonald's management
    not testing their food suppliers product every week.

  • Reply to

    does this drive any CHK investors crazy???

    by richardleeds Jul 14, 2014 2:30 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jul 14, 2014 8:42 PM Flag

    Try the Yahoo Finance graph for the last 5 years on OAS and CHK and compare the two. One company is up 60% over the last 5 years and the other is up 250% over the same period.
    Let's deal with the real impact of that message and my comment.

    I did make a slight miscalculation as you pointed out. SSE is taking off $1 billion of debt once they release the next financial statement in another month. Quite an impact on the performance of the shares don't you think.

    The point I was trying to make and cheerleaders missed is that OAS and CHK had similar amounts of acreage in the Williston basin. CHK dumped their holding in the Williston( what did that achieve in comparison to OAS having a value of $6 billion based on the Williston. That is the real point.

    The second major point is that OAS has $2 billion of debt and stock market capitalization of $6 billion. CHK has a stock market capitalization of $18 billion and $11 billion in debt. It's an issue of value and valuation as determined by investors.

    OAS investors achieved a 250% return over the last 5 years on the Williston and CHK saw their company sell a similar amount of acreage in the Williston.

  • Oasis (OAS) is worth one third the value of CHK and basically operates
    on 500k acres in the Williston Basin about the same acreage that CHK
    sold in the Williston area back in 2013.

    I realize that OAS only has $2 billion in debt while CHK has $12 billion in
    debt but CHK produces as much production in one of its major areas as
    OAS produces for its entire company.

    That debt is an albatross around CHK's neck and the company keeps
    reporting sales of assets (another this week), but they are small potatoes
    in comparison to the $12 billion debt.

    It drives me crazy to see OAS at a market cap of $6 billion and it keeps
    going up and up while CHK is going sideways.

    Unloading $150 million in assets or $300 million has cumulatively not
    reduced that total long term debt number, not in 2013 nor 2014.

    I realize the balance sheet is being "de-leveraged" or whatever but the
    shares are stuck.

    I would not be surprised if OAS continues to outperform CHK in 2014.

    Was it a mistake to sell the Williston acreage in 2013 for peanuts when
    the companies in that formation have been going crazy in 2013 and 2014?

    OAS seems to indicated that it was.

  • Reply to

    TOTAL BAN on horizontal drilling

    by natty_0ner Jul 4, 2014 1:35 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jul 7, 2014 8:15 PM Flag

    Nonsense. Show us your brain power before spouting off or do your research first.
    PM - from $33-91 a share and dividend from 40 to 94 cents since 2000.
    Lorillard- from $19 to $65 a share over last 5 years, dividend from 30cents up to 60 cents.
    Reynolds-$4 a share to $60 a share since 2000 for a 1,000% return, dividend up from 20 cents to 67 cents for a 300% increase.

  • Reply to

    TOTAL BAN on horizontal drilling

    by natty_0ner Jul 4, 2014 1:35 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jul 7, 2014 1:54 AM Flag

    tobacco at risk? Give me a break. The dividends paid by the tobacco industry to its shareholders have been the greatest over the last ten years in tobacco's history. Same goes for the value of the companies.
    These tobacco multinationals own interests in cigarette companies all around the world. Have you ever heard of China? Five times the size of the U.S. with the greatest per capita consumption of cigarettes on earth.

    You really think the oil and gas industry is at risk? Carl Icahn is the largest individual shareholder in this company. How do you think he got to be so rich? Investing in companies that offered the best returns that is how. You do not become one of the wealthiest 50 Americans by being stupid and he did it by investing smart. That is why he owns more of CHK than all the posters on this message board.

  • There is a reason that CMLP is paying 9.25% on the preferred issue, the balance sheet debt.
    Linn Energy which I own a pile of is only paying 6.5% on its debt and expects that to drop with
    the Moody's upgrade on Linn Debt.
    CMLP has too much debt and this preferred issue is really the same thing with a very high cost.

    I would stay away from this until there is a market correction and they get the debt under control
    and demonstrate the ability to pay less to finance expansion. There is a reason that CMLP has
    to pay these high interest rate/dividend rates on debt/preferred.

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jul 1, 2014 1:22 AM Flag

    If you look closely, it appears Devon told its shareholders and analysts that they expected to receive between $1.2-1.4 billion. How is it that Linn Energy was pushed into paying so much more? That is what Linn investors should be asking.

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 7:38 PM Flag

    Shaman, you said you talked to your broker at Wells Fargo and told you his analyst had not commented on the transaction. I suggest you read the following from Barrons today and the author's quotation from Wells Fargo's David Tameron.

    Before you tell me to go sell fish, whose the one here that smells. One of us is very accurate, you, your broker or me? I think Levisohn and Tameron at Barron and Well's Fargo would say its not me.

    Suggest you read the article at Yahoo Finance, Linn Energy from Barrons

    "Linn Energy Buys Devon Assets: Assessing the Deal"

    By Ben Levisohn

    Devon Energy (DVN) agreed to sell non-essential U.S. assets to Linn Energy (LINE) for $2.3 billion today, helping it further its transition from natural gas to oil.


    Wells Fargo’s David Tameron thinks Devon’s got a good price from Linn Energy:

    …headline number ahead of expectations; the transaction went off at ~5.1x 2013 EBITDA for majority gas assets (275 MMcf/d, ~1.2 Tcfe of reserves). Not surprised the deal beat our $1.1B estimate which we viewed as conservative, but based on recent conversations with investors, proceeds also above high-end of expectation range (we think Street was modeling $1.2$ 1.4B). The divestment helps further delever Devon Energy’s balance sheet; management expects to reduce net debt by ~$4B by year-end. Overall, we view the transaction very favorably as it should be wrapped up sooner (we modeled Q4) and at a higher price than expected. As a reminder, we recently upgraded shares to Outperform and we continue to recommend the name.

    Tameron updates his note:

    We received a few questions following our thoughts on DVN’s transaction. Primary question was on the EBITDA multiple; to clear up any confusion, the 5.1x we referenced below was based on aftertax proceeds. Using the $2.3B pretax figure, which is more appropriate, results in a 6.6x multiple (based on 2013 EBITDA provided by DVN).

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 2:56 PM Flag

    I am not griping. Merely pointing out that Linn Energy was paying top dollar in the sector for Berry and Devon according to analysts that follow the sector.
    Most energy companies including Devon and CHK have been attempting to improve the debt equation of their balance sheets.
    Linn has not joined the crowd. Without excess cash that debt number grows which CHK eventually found out when its share price cratered in half.
    It is a lesson all energy operations should pay attention to.

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 2:51 PM Flag


    I buy what you are saying but the cost of money to Linn Energy and for everyone else is going to increase when the FED gets off this cheap money environment. We have been in a very cheap money environment.

    Cheap money is keeping housing from cratering but how long is that going to last to the detriment of savings, etc.?

    All financing costs eventually go to the norm which in my book over the last 50 years is about 3 points higher on everything including Treasury paper and T-bonds and all other debt.

    Linn caught a break on debt costs and hedging about 4-5 years ago. That is going away.

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 1:52 PM Flag

    what the market might be saying is that investors are not all that bright. So tell investors if Linn has the ability to pay off every increasing debt when all cash flow goes to the distribution and capex.
    Eventually the reserve life catches up with you especially as you increase debt every year.

  • Reply to

    Wells Fargo energy analyst implies Linn overpaid

    by richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 12:26 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 30, 2014 1:50 PM Flag

    Say what you want but Linn Energy has around $10 billion in debt.
    They use all cash flow for capex and distributions. How will that
    debt be paid off when all the debt number does is grow year after
    year and cash flow does not increase to cover anything but the
    distribution and capex. What is a business that demonstrates no
    capability to pay down debt. Try doing what Linn is doing in your own
    financial affairs.

  • The energy analyst said they expected Devon to receive $1.2-1.4 billion for the production/acreage.
    Linn paid almost double.
    Also Linn has to borrow the funds and pay interest on the borrowed money until they close
    a transaction to sell around $2.5 billion in leases/production assets to cover this purchase.

    It looks to me like Devon got the better end of this deal.

  • Reply to

    They could boost share price 50% with ONE well

    by margin321 Jun 16, 2014 10:34 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 20, 2014 6:14 PM Flag

    The Three Forks might be the best land that Lightstream has an interest in and it has not been exploited. Let Crescent and the others drilling in the Torfquay-Three Forks prove up the value and then in 1-2 years Lightstream can drill the area. If the wells pay off in 1 year as indicted, this would be a game changer for Lightstream and the shares could return to the former highs in 1-2 years.

  • Reply to

    Will Chevron buy CHK in 2014?

    by richardleeds Jun 19, 2014 5:31 PM
    richardleeds richardleeds Jun 20, 2014 1:56 AM Flag


    You are showing your deficiencies. Icahn is one of the wealthiest investors in the U.S. and he owns a ton of CHK. If we listen to you, you are saying he is going to take a beating. Who do you think is smarter, you or Icahn. We already know who is a better investor because he built a fortune of $1 billion up to $25 billion over the last 25 years.

    One of Icahn's largest holdings is CHK. That should tell you everything you need to know if you apply your analytical process to investing.

  • richardleeds by richardleeds Jun 19, 2014 5:31 PM Flag

    The market cap of Chevron has increased by almost $50 billion in the last 12 months.
    They could offer a 50% premium over the current market price and take CHK out for $30 billion in Chevron stock. It would be an easy transaction for them to pull off .

    One year ago I wrote on the DTV message board that I thought that DTV could be taken over by ATT during the next year or two at around $100. Well, my shares appreciated like crazy over the last year and my prediction happened.

    I'm expecting that Chevron shares will continue to appreciate with all the turmoil in the Middle East and the currency they will have for an acquisition will even become less costly. Who are the targets that are out there for Chevron? Not many. I would not be surprised to see CHK bite the dust in the next 12 months as an independent.

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