That is wonderful news, my friend.
Money is dropping from the sky for Nokia , as some may see it. However Nokia has been giving out lots of things for the development of this big industry to which everyone and anyone has immensely benefited. It is only fair that Nokia is paid.
The point however is that suddenly people are realising that this sum is in the multiple billions annually.
Based on my sources, it was initially estimated at 500m Euros. After the Samsung deal, the esitmate was increased by another 900m Euros by one analysts. Can I thus confirm we have so far 1.4b Euro pa from patents alone ?
Please note I am referring to the new nokia Advance Technologies division along , excluding NSN.
Does not that speak in loud volume enough for you ?
Just wait till the details of the Samsung deal, yes Samsung deal is enough, and you will understand why EU did what they did . Yes the shares will explode, and that will just be the beginning. So please, for your sake, just look a little longer term and stay till the 20s.
One of our good friends French just left because some sick hedge fund drop this stock for no reason, and mop good investors shares up. I hope everyone can see, Nokia is still on the up trend, we have not even scope up the major part of the patents cake, let alone the potential of NSN . So please, if the intra month trading is too violent, and we have said it tens of times here, just turn off the screen and come back next year
I would not be surprised at all. Guess what, the last six session of dropped on very low suspicious volume has been attributed to a high probability of large hedge fund accumulation. One board member post a note that found that hedge fund massively increase their holdings in Nokia.
Remember Nokia came up from 2s and 3s, there is no such thing as a straight line up. But mark this post, Nokia will go up, to its true valuation in the teens at the very least.
But just for the moment , ask yourself, ask your brain, are you affected by your surroundings. A true solid and steady investor like every single Elop Nokia longs here, can say all this is nothing. We have been through far far worst and 2013 is a great great year !
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Elop, who returned huge shareholder returns this year is certainly not on the list. However 2 people very close to him , or at least constantly in his radar , are ! The CEO of Microsoft and the CEO of Bbry.
If you think about it, working in this industry with so many fallout, which included HTC as well, comparatively, Elop did an excellent job.
There will always be technical correction, even from the medium term paradigm. Fact is the run is still far from over . We need to know how much Nok is getting from Samsung, we should get a good idea by q1, there after we can reaccess everything .
All the best my friend, i hope to see you at Gale, quite a couple of us Elop longs have entered at 3s.
I saw much of the recent news as nothing but just couch reporting. To me Elop is still very much in the front seat for MSFT CEO position. The reason is simple. Mobile world and mobile technologies are the future, and Msft needs to be at the top of this area of development to survive, However Msft is also in a bad position as no one outside can run Msft and no one inside can run mobile. Elop is not perfect , no doubt , but at least he has both bulls by their horns,
Well there could well be a possibility there,
For me, I am still all ears for the details of the Samsung deal. the numbers are likely to be so huge the market cannot ignore it, it will also mean any one will is successful in the mobile industry in any form will have to pay.
I certainly hope the payment of 2b is not a one of thing but tied to the volume of Lumia sales. Otherwise, forgive me for saying this, I hope Samsung rules because Nokia, or rather our new Nokia, gets paid for every single sale Samsung makes .
I think they will come in at somewhere in between. It is complex because trade laws are only part of the picture. There will be a holistic solution, Nokia India will unlikely hit a wall
IMHO, they should try to stretch it for as long as possible. i am glad the diplomatic channel is in full swing, you really need the governments to come in here, this is not a pure arbitration thing. it is far more complex than that.
French, my friend, you truly have the gift of both poetry and arts; with reference to the picture you drew.
Reading China Times as posted earlier and HTC apparent anger , it thus appear that way. That said Samsung and Apple will not have any problem paying.
Looking back one wonders why Bbry could not use the same business model. Maybe this really puts forth the viability of the business concept of sharing first, letting the industry adopt what you provided 'free' as standard and then asking for a fair share of the success since Nokia did pay for the developments of the patents that made companies like Samsung so successful.
I do laugh at myself for my very looooooooooog post sometime , my friend.
Actually, to be honest my friend, I see hardware patent licensing as a very new concept, although it certainly did take a page out from history of high tech developments.
To find a similar revolution, let us go back to the years of early 90s. As we know, PCs were 'invented' in the mid 70s, with Apple, Atari, Commodore and Radio Shack. then came IBM. Now in those 'wild wild west era' of personal computing, everyone can develop its own platform, and you have things like Cobol, pascal, an of course Basic. Apple then came with a great idea, LISA, but they did not make money out from it ; Msft did the same thing for the growing 'standard' and began charging anyone and everyone for using that platform. The whole industry went up in arms; you did not pay for Cobol, for pascal, why in the world are people suddenly needing to pay for using Windows ? .
Sounds familiar ? 20 years later, the same thing is about to repeat in the hardware arena. In their view point , it is akin to allowing the industry to standardise around your 'free' platform which you actually own and not exactly open source but treated as such anyway and one fine day, deciding to charge for it. But they forgot , some one actually paid to develop those platforms, Nokia shareholders of yesteryears, to the tune of $50b.
I have been looking at Google's MOT as well, the big difference is MOT aren't holding those critical parts . It is Nokia treasure chest that is holding the real treasures . It is mind blowing, Some are already dishing out shockingly sky high numbers that Samsung paid to Nokia. One thing is certain though, this is a growing story.
Thank you planet. What other proof do we need that
new nokia = 90s Microsoft. , Just exist to collect money from the established infrastructure that uses its software (in this case hardware) like the lifeblood.
Suddenly the mobile world is waking up to the fact that Nokia is the blood of the body, Just wait till you go into 4G next generation. Nokia vitrually dominate the entire space.