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rogere1946 190 posts  |  Last Activity: 16 hours ago Member since: Feb 24, 2003
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  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 16 hours ago Flag

    VLCCF 27500
    Suez 47,300

    They continue to make money for FRO and other shippers like NAT. Oil is up today while most E&P boys are down. As long as rates stay where they have been now for over 5 weeks (9 weeks being a quarter) FRO and others are making money. Suez are making BIG MONEY (NAT)

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 16 hours ago Flag

    Mr. Shores I have said it before but I do think it is worth repeating. Obama care is not a socialist program as is often portrayed by the right. It is more open market to obtained insurance in fact as your post suggest.
    It is different to be sure and it will take the number crunchers at the insurance co. a few years before they get the numbers they need to again know what makes money and what does not.

    I think that under ACA that some will benefit a lot not so much by cheaper care as those on medicade were getting free care already but they will get faster and wider care options at same price or close to it. Those who have pre existing condition will also get help but that will cost money to insurance co. All those facts will have to be figured into the system before a final picture can be seen. We ALL know the old system was broke for most folks including the Fed Gov that was going broke. Time will tell if ACA makes any changes in the money part of the broke system or not but clearly the treatment part of ACA has already made a difference in who can get treatment and when and where.

    You state of NH is a small state with a low insurance pool to draw from and to benefit from any system it needs to be able to join other larger markets to "Pool" with. If ACA does not allow for that it will at some time in the future as only the very foolish on the right suggest "gutting" ACA and it will not be gutted as it simply has helped too many middle class voters to make them upset if gutted.

    The number of folks who now "pay" (regardless of who does the paying) has greatly increased and goes to insurance co. which are now trying to figure the numbers and once figured will compete for business. To me the only real unknown is how much it will cost the Federal Gov. as both the poor and the insurance co. will benefit from ACA. Some individuals will pay more than before and some less as some choices have been done away with. All about numbers.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 16 hours ago Flag

    Lake the Love of God is found in two commandments according to Jesus. Love your neighbor as you love yourself and Love God. Now I know you do not believe that but Love is the central theme of Christianity not religion perhaps but Christianity.

    Now you claim to love do you not? Even given your unloving post aimed at any on this board who dare to disagree with you. You also claim to be a believer in evolution and thus a product of that belief correct?

    Now according to Darwin and other experts of evolution the number one goal of evolution or the primary doctrine if you will is survival of the species and the evolution of species by the strong survive and improve the species. The weak or culled since they are a threat to the better development of the species.

    There is no love or compassion or mercy found in that type of doctrine. Those things would allow for the weaker to live and hurt the gene pool. So if you are an evolved species your very life has been forwarded by this improvement of the gene pool. It is nature at work or Evolution at work and nothing else.

    It is not personal or cruel but merely the way of evolution to improve and create a better species. Love would stand in the way of such a driven order as it would not kill his weak neighbor but help them. The animal kingdom of which I am sure you being a true evolutionist see mankind as mere animals there is no exception to this survival of the best to protect and evolve the gene pool.

    Thus when you at man you see the only exception? That alone breaks the "theory" laws. You claim man is good by nature but in fact the nature of all evolved species is not good or love or mercy or compassion but survival. Those who do not want to take care of the sick, the old, the young, the helpless, the poor are doing by nature what evolution says to do. God says differently. God also says that man is different.

    Love is the flaw that shows evolution to be false or Man is excepted.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 20, 2014 2:58 PM Flag

    scs nice try but again you are caught. That post was to point out how ALL who were raised in the South was exposed to cultural and legal racism as a way of life. For someone to claim it never effected them or formed their character is one who I have a hard time believing. Also that post was full of past tensed verbs like
    "have been, went, and practiced" You also did not address your greater Lie about me where you claimed I have said that God can not change someone life or behavior. Why do you dislike or hate me so much that you would tell a Lie like that about me? Am I such a threat to expose who you are that you jump to Lies about me? All who read Paul's writing understand that Grace along bring forgiveness and no one can be righteous on their own.

    God did indeed change me by showing me how great is his love and how we must love. A racist person is one who does not love but thinks himself better than others. I forgive you of your lies about me but would appeal to you to resist from being the devil's tool by using lies to attack someone. Post facts and if I am guilty I will admit it and confess and repent as I have done before on this board.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 19, 2014 11:29 AM Flag

    scs I see you like putting words in my mouth. That seems to be a common tactic of attack instead of posting facts.

    The Apostle Paul had no trouble admitting he was a sinner that battled daily to obtain what he had not achieved nor according to Paul would he Ever achieve. So when I admit to sin of any kind I am merely admitting what Paul stated. I like Paul depend on the Grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit to forgive and continue the battle to give me the power to become more like Christ.

    You accuse me of saying that God can not change a sin in someone life which is of course a LIE by you to try to paint me as bad as you can. I NEVER said that. I did say I was raised in a South that the LAW forced you to be a racist if you obeyed the law. I also lived in the South which the great majority of churches practiced racism. I lived in a South that one in three white males were members of the #$%$ and almost all the rest were racist as they had been taught by their parents who being good law abiding Southerners considered it the Right and Proper way to live.

    You claim to not have been influence by those things and I think you are younger than I so perhaps the law had changed when you came up (not willing but forced upon the south) but the culture had not changed nor has it changed today. The N word was once spoken in polite settings and even in church while today it is only spoken among fellow racist in settings that are safe to reveal the still present racist ideas.

    God has indeed changed my heart from that young racist man to what I am today. I see how evil racism is the long lasting effects that it has had on this country. Unfortunely the USA has a deep racist past. Indians, Irish, Poles, Italians, blacks, Asian and any others who were not "WASP" were always looked down on. Religion didn't do much to change this but Jesus can ,did and will.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 19, 2014 11:11 AM Flag

    Rates for VLCCF 27500 and rates for suez at 47,500 and FRO does own those kind of ships.

    If those rate hold for the quarter FRO will make a nice profit. I do not expect them to pay a dividend if they do but I do think the stock will react to a second quarter of profit.

    I would be a buyer at these prices for a gamble if I wasn't already in and gambling lol.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 16, 2014 7:29 PM Flag

    Grump I laugh at you weak post as you got caught in your lies again.

    Here is the bottom line Grump. You will not claim Jesus as your Lord. Given that fact what you have to say about the word of God is of no interest to me. The devil and his followers can quote scripture and try to mislead. It is my prayer as Paul told Timothy. "All you can do for one so self deluded and given over is pray
    that they will return to their right mind"

    Until you boldly claim Jesus as your Lord I find no interest or gain in exchanging the things of the Lord with one who will not claim Jesus as his Lord.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 16, 2014 7:23 PM Flag

    giroux you and Lake both sound and post like tea party right wingers when you both "go off" on Christianity.

    You name call and stereotype to fit your idea of who those are that disagree with you,. You post no facts to "prove" your claim that only the poor believe in Jesus. You hate has blinded you to how silly your post are and destroy any hope of credibility of the post. You are also wrong in claiming that nothing was written about Jesus for over a 100 years again you furnish nothing but you blind prejudice against Christianity as your proof. Another wrong claim of yours is that believers are made when young children. Christian Churches own figures show that this is not the main source of members as too many of their children end up a foolish person like you and more come to faith as adults. Try some research and facts if you want to be taken serious.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 15, 2014 8:27 PM Flag

    VLCCF 29,000 Suze 47,000

    Money to be made at those rates

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 15, 2014 8:22 PM Flag

    Grump once again you bend the truth in your answers and try to misdirect the facts your trick is getting old at least to me and easily spotted if a reader is paying attention and has knowledge of what the subject really is.

    You say that "Salvation by works" which was not what Dakine said. He said "Faith without works is dead quoting the book of James. James nor Dakine either one stated Salvation was by works those were your words not theirs.

    You also said "Yeah. The rich guy claimed to have kept the law and prophets from his youth. Jesus "called" him on his falseness of his claim.." Again you are wrong. Jesus NEVER "called him or even hinted that the man had lied. He infact said "ONE THING LACKOUS THOU" Go and give all you have to the poor and follow me. You are the one that needs to check the scritures that is if You Want to tell the truth.

    Then you try misdirection with you words "
    I agree that they are social issues. But Jesus NEVER stated them as OBJECTIVES, but as EVIDENCES of a kingdom mindset. It becomes problematic with the evidences are substituted for the objectives, which is what our friend Rog repeatedly does." JESUS did indeed say "WHY CALL ME MASTER IF YOU DO NOT DO THE THINGS I SAY" You must follow Jesus to Walk in the Kingdom. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF clearly is both an OBJECTIVE and EVIDENCE of you life will reveal if you did as the MASTER said do or turned your back on your neighbor.

    You say those that want to Reform the welfare system are not in violation of the command. Depends on what the "REFORM" desires are. IF the reform leaves you better off than your neighbor by YOUR desire and efforts then you have failed to love your Neighbor as Yourself and in fact placed yourself and your well being above the needs of your neighbor. Jesus says as you do to the least of them you do to me as well.

    Judas was a thief and wanted the value of the oil for him to steal. According to the NT.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 14, 2014 11:42 AM Flag

    Bob I am glad at your blessing and the book of Romans is indeed a GREAT book that all can gain from.
    I have to confess that I avoid Revelation as much as I can. It clearly is a "hard book" in many ways but I simply do not have the understanding given to me to walk in the wisdom of the book.

    May I direct you to the small book of Philemon as one to read and reread as Paul pours out his heart to a brother about another brother. No book in the NT is as personal as this one nor is focused in "loving your neighbor". I can see the tear stains on the letter from the cheek of Paul as he wrote the letter.
    It has blessed me, confronted me, caused me to repent and always humbled me as I read it.
    To realize that Paul a man on a great God given mission would as part of that mission take time and use assets to write and get the letter delivered given it was concerning only three brothers shows how much our Lord values each of His Followers.

    Our walk must be one of Joy or we need to find out what is stealing our Joy and refocus ( I know easier said than done) I confess I had become far to acid in my view of others even my enemies as wrong as they may be lol need love not acid thrown on them. Feel free to point out my failures in that area when I go astray.


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    by rogere1946 Jul 13, 2014 12:16 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 14, 2014 11:29 AM Flag

    Mr. Shores again welcome back. To the points of your post

    1. One looks like a hero win you win. No one has ever won in the middle east in thousand of years and I do not think Russia will break that run.
    2. Russia is already a large producer of oil as are the USA and others. How can oil prices be more "fixed" than they are today? OPEC has practiced not running up the cost of oil too high as they understand that to do so cuts back on demand and overall growth of the eco of the world which is what drives the demand for oil.
    The high prices of oil during 06/07 was caused more by US Stock Market and other markets than any shortage of oil or withholding oil as has been clearly shown by those that studied the actions of oil futures and trading. There was never a shortage of oil during those high prices nor a shortage of gasoline but merely greed at work in the market. The same market condition are in place today btw so I fear the MM boys a lot more than I do Russia and OPEC working together.
    3. Russia or should I say Putin since HE is Russia is saber waving in all cases. He as an old USSR General wants to regain the glory and fame and influence that he once enjoyed or thought he did when the USSR was in charge. He moves toward Cuba ( which is of no value to him) and central America (again no value and costly) show how much he wants to be a Big player on the world stage.

    We agree on not allowing export of crude oil. I do not see oil as our future in energy however down the road but NG will be our next big export as LNG will make the USA a player like OPEC In the NG market place.
    NG still at the low 4's today will rise to upper 5's or 6's once LNG is in full production and will give a stable price for NG year round which will cause more interest in drilling for NG as it will be very profitable at those levels as it is today at 4 bucks. Consumer cost for NG will rise some as LNG takes over the market place is only down side.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 14, 2014 11:09 AM Flag

    Grump for a man that can not claim Jesus as his Lord your post does not surprise me at all.

    First Rome was worse than any tea party ideas and Jesus did not waste his ministry time working on a change of Gov but did deal with what a person had to do to enter the Kingdom of God.

    Second Scribes and Pharisees were not Jesus's leaders they were a religious party based on doctrine and practice of religion. The Scribes doctrine was wrong and Jesus never addressed that but did "preach" to them the same as he did all others. Jesus over and over again made it clear that it was a person heart that counted not an organization or party or doctrine and He taught on a one on one style even when addressing thousands his words were individual action not masses.

    A scribe or Pharisee had no authority over Jesus as you claim nor did even another Rabbi but the Sanhedrin and the chief Priest did have authority and Jesus honored them and respected them even when on trial and in disagreement. If you read his words while before them you will see that. Jesus understood well that His Father was in charge of even wrong minded Gov officials and respected those His Father had put in charge.

    My idea of social justice is found within the teachings of Jesus. Love your neighbor as yourself being bedrock. Love does not mean a mere feeling but a standing beside and trying to extend a hand to them as you would want for yourself. Taking care of children, widows and the sick and crippled is not social justice but Jesus.

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    OT BS The Cancer Death Panel App

    by barbershores Jul 14, 2014 12:32 AM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 14, 2014 10:55 AM Flag

    Mr. Shores glad to see you back on the board after your long departure. Hope all is well with you and your family. I read an article a while back about NH being offered more choice in health insurance care to up date the board on your take of this if true and if I am correct about you living in NH.

    Your post I find strange as surely you know that the drug companies have long bribed doctors to use their products so why does it surprise you that wellPoint would get in on offer bribes? It seems this nasty practice in our health care cost (the bribes do come out of our pockets one way or another) has not changed since ACA another failure of an effort to reform a correct and greed driven health care system.

    The drug industry with a serious reform could cut cost by over 15% first by setting a price on drugs as all other countries in the world do making only the USA a slave to profits skimmed off our cost to make up for lost profit from other price setting nations. Also doing away with the bribes and the whole system that drug companies use to "push" their products would ensure savings as well.

    With WellPoint you see again the power of a big player in the medical field telling or bribing their way before sound medicine. I know you to be a man who does not like to throw his money away so for the life of me I have always been puzzled when you others of same mindset do not rise up and demand a stop to such practices.

    I understand how much you love the free market concept but when large and powerful drug companies and health care giants like WellPoint can bribe and arm twist others to go their way that is not a free market but one driven by greed where you and I pay the bills.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 13, 2014 12:16 PM Flag

    Sorry pushed wrong button lol. Iraq is a mess and now Russia is sticking its nose into it which is a monstrous mistake on their part but will do nothing to ease the situation. Syria and Iran dancing around not knowing what to do. All that happening in the cradle of the great oil nations.

    I am not saying that these higher rates will hold up forever but it is nice bridge toward the day when the supply of ships and the demand are more in line. SFL is also down and with a now 9% return in dividend would be a great time to buy as they too will rack up gains by these higher rates.

    Even if a big run up happens in FRO driven by rates and MM boys at play as long as the rates are high like now would be hard to sell as these rates are the type that pour cash flow and profit into shippers.

    But at 4.50 I may take half my profit out.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 13, 2014 12:09 PM Flag

    VLCCF 33,000
    Suze 43,000

    With these types of rates still holding after now 3 weeks the next quarter they show up in will be a good one.
    even though FRO and NAT both are down from their highs both will rise up if these rates last.

    Israel and Gaza are dealing death to each other. Iraq

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 13, 2014 12:07 PM Flag

    scs I do agree with you that reading the Screwtape Letters or any of CS Lewis other books would be a blessing to the life of the reader. All the letters of the NT are directed to believers not to the world. All the sin and wrong behavior being pointed out is toward believers. The early churches and believers were a mess as they had come from vastly different cultures, life style, religious beliefs or lack of any to this NEW belief. The early church was not organized or structured as other religions of the day. There was ONE leader but He was not on earth. Many were alive and taught that had seen and heard Jesus and they wrote letters or had others write them from their accounts.

    You blast out at IRS which is not different from a Roman tax collector which Jesus only comment was pay up.
    You attack the President which scripture warns not too and find fault in him because does not spend his days out on the street in food kitchens which if he did you would find criticism toward him for not doing his job.
    Obama has stood the gap between cuts in food stamps which "Your kind" cry and moan for and made sure millions of children and women and men would not have their food cut off by your cries. You accuse him of bad motives in such defense of social helps programs again wrong by the scriptures and without proof on your part. Even if you had proof so what. Did not Jesus know what type of person the Roman Leader was or that Harold was? Where do you see Jesus making personal attacks on the Gov. leadership?

    One who calls himself by the name of Jesus Christ our Lord should try to do the things that Jesus did and said to do or admit your failures as sin, confess them and repent and try not to fall back into the trap of Satan again. The demon of Screwtape would be whispering into your ear it is ok to blast out at the Gov and its leadership since it is wrong and you are right. The word of God would convict you of your error.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 13, 2014 11:53 AM Flag

    Bob the word tells me clearly how I will be judged. If I do not Love my neighbor as myself then I can not love God and thus I fail both the commandments Jesus left us with. The devil does not need any devices planted inside us to capture or lure us away it is our failure of the heart to open to our neighbor that dams us.

    I will pray for you and you pray for me to ask our Lord to yield our heart to the presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit to allow to overcome our hard hearts and embrace even our enemies in love.

    Sin is not what dams us but the failure to admit our sin and go to the Master for forgiveness and accept His grace to walk in His forgiveness. The women caught in Adultery was not even accused by Jesus and yes she was told to go and sin no more but given Jesus teachings on 7 times 70 we are to forgive I believe had the women the very next day been again caught in adultery and brought before Jesus the outcome would of been the same.

    We on this list attack the character and spew hateful words for the mere reason of disagreement over an issue that neither can prove for certain. Pride is clearly present on this board. Some who claim to be believers delight in personal attacks on the Gov and its current leadership in total disregard of the scriptures.
    I have been guilty of that one many times as I know I am right (pride) and want to point out how foolish
    the leader may be.

    As for that medical device depending on what information was required to put on it I see it as something akin to a bracelet to alert Medical staff of a drug or illness danger on a person being treated. The devil does not suck up souls by mechanical means nor is something that reveals only truth a good tool for the devil to use.
    The only thing that bothers me about such a device would be after they read it and have a complete idea of your medical history they would at first opportunity send someone in to get it all from you again.

  • GW Bush was warned about 9-11 type attack during the summer by his chief advisor on terrorism and he and his leadership turned a blind eye to the guy since he was Clinton hold over (which he was not really)

    Iraq was and continues to be a total failure and GW BUSH and Cheney and the Neo Cons shoved that down America throats by telling lies after lies to the American public and flag waving. Even proven totally wrong on WMD still many defend the Bush invasion. Now that it is all falling to pieces still a lot of American's can not bring themselves to admit how stupid and failed this invasion and war was both in money cost, human life and given that the outcome is a failure as well.

    Finally the crash of 07/08 brought about GW and GOP anything goes on Wall street and of course the continued denial of those on the right and in the GOP that it was to any degree their fault.

    If American's are really so stupid as to not find GW Bush the worst president in a long while then I guess then need a few more years of GOP disasters to open blind eyes.

    Obama the worse? The stock market at all times in recovery from 07/08 crash alone makes that a line of hooey. ACA instead of our old health care system even if you give Obama a strike out for that that is only one. In terms of life lost, money wasted and mission a joke ACA is not in same league as Iraq alone much less the other two Bush failures.

    Let Putin and Russia become the clone of GW Bush if he wants to follow GW folly and "expand" the Russian empire into the middle east. I guess Putin is no where as smart as I thought he was if going into Cuba and Central America and Middle is his goal. He needs to check Russian History on those failures of the past.

    Funny how so called smart leaders make the same mistakes of history over and over again.

    How long before the GOP tries to make Putin a National threat? lea ve him alone and Russia will be broke again like the USSR went broke with those policies.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 12, 2014 7:01 PM Flag

    Bob I see your point about the fruit and temptation and I agree with the final outcome. We however have "many fruits" tempting us and the outcome is as bad for most :(.

    In your post you mentioned "The mandatory class II medical device ID implant " so I looked it up and found it to be yet another false hood. Look it up on Snoops or some other fact check site and you will learn the truth about this. The power of a lie told and repeated over time (as this lie is not a new one and was around long before ACA was even being considered.

    Speaking of ACA Obama did not draft it or want it in its finished form but was forced to take it to get something passed. That was his mistake. The GOP wanted no change and fought hard against any change as did some Demo. The single payer plan would of been better but like all Presidents Obama took what he could get.

    I agree with you that homosexuality is merely another form of sin and I do not believe Jesus wants His followers singling out any one sin and saying not to allow them to work for you or to get discriminated against while other sinners are not so punished. The Lord does the judging not us and we are to love ALL our neighbors Homosexuals included. I admit to understanding your anger at some of those who advocate a homosexual life style as I do those that preach capitalism without any compassion or one of greed only.

    The new testament speaks a lot more on the dangers of greed, wealth and selfishness than it does of even all sexual sins. I have never been to a church that lost members to a homosexual life style I am sure they are some but I have seen a lot of divorces within a church due to lust, greed and perusing success before family.
    Our fruits are maybe more dangerous as many are taught it is ok to eat the fruit of success and it becomes the pearl of great value to too many believers. The devil knows how to work effectively and to make attractive what is death.

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