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rogere1946 184 posts  |  Last Activity: 15 hours ago Member since: Feb 24, 2003
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  • Reply to

    Lovely day

    by rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 9:04 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 15 hours ago Flag

    bob do you actually believe that Hamas can "wipe" Israel out? Israel decided where the line in the sand was and reacted with 10 times the force and 100 times the death toll that Humas had used and is using on Israel. Israel can control their response but they choose to act like the #$%$ did when the French resistance killed a German they would kill 10 French. At least the dreaded #$%$ did not line up and shoot children. This "human logic" or Kingdom of the Earth Wisdom is nothing new.
    Be a more deadly foe than your enemy. We did it when we fire bombed German Cities to "end" the war and when we dropped the A bomb on Japan. Terror can be effective in some cases in the minds of those of the Kingdom of the world.

    When Jesus spoke those words bob ever Jew knew who was slapping them and who was demanding that they carry the pact of the Roman ruling army. Jesus did not say sneak in at night and murder as many as you can, hide along the roads since you know the territory and attack like a thief in the night. Nor did he say work to form alliances with powerful nations to protect yourselves or to attack the Romans.

    Bob you trust Jesus to raise you from the dead but do not trust his words to "turn the other cheek"
    Now that is amazing.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 9:04 PM Flag

    vain attempt to get past censers lol. I posted why I disagree with Speaker of House on making backing Israel up more important than peace process and gee no post. Yahoo has really been showing its right wing leaning or maybe just following the money but I guess to question both the speaker of the house and Israel was just too much for them.

    Or maybe it was calling the present PM a former terrorist that offended them? Who in Middle East can't were that name? Killing comes easier than Peace or even the desire for peace but Israel latest blasting of Gaza killing anyone they please as a way of getting back at Humas shows clearly that turning the other cheek is not something Israel believes or practices and so for living by the sword has worked for them but for how long?

    For every dead person there is extended family and friends that will hate those that killed the love one not a good way to live in peace beside your neighbors.

    Now wanta bet this one makes it ?

  • Reply to

    How Much Oil Does Each Shareholder Own When...

    by vernnimble Jul 29, 2014 3:24 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 5:22 PM Flag

    vern 698 times 100 bucks a barrel is 69,000 bucks a day. 100 days is 6,900,000 or about .12 per share.
    36 cents per 300 days or .42 cents a share a year. Ok I am a little high based on the 100 bucks but my guess is between .35 and 40 per share at current rate for a year.

    Hey you asked not me.

  • Reply to

    OT BS personal, ideological, and party agenda

    by barbershores Jul 28, 2014 11:17 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 5:07 PM Flag

    nikk I agree with you but.... take things that are stalled forever in Congress that seem to have no time limit by the elected officials like immigration or min wage or a hwy bill. Maybe the most important thing to vote on would be a military action. If the Pres and Congress got us into a situation then a required vote to support it or withdraw by the majority would be a nice safe guard?

    Time does not bother on such a vote by majority on some issues as does how easy the American public can be led to believe what is false. Clearly both parties are skilled as Lies and misdirection or having their own facts. The idea of an elected official who is somewhat "smarter" than the average voter I think was the idea but given some of the idiots in office or the ones who must play a fool to stay in office or out right bought and paid for maybe just having the whole mob show up to vote might do the nation less harm in the long run.

    Most cities and counties do bring big bond issue projects to the public and other "hot potatoes" or those that grow into them. The size of Police Dept what type of garbage trucks, who to buy sewer lines from may not be something you want just anyone voting on but maybe rely on public hearings by experts instead of the closed counsel meeting where the city engineers job is on the line if he does not suggest who is giving the most to the mayor. Lots of ways to improve the way we do Gov on all levels but most folks just do not care enough to even go vote would be my bet.

  • Reply to

    OT BS personal, ideological, and party agenda

    by barbershores Jul 28, 2014 11:17 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 2:54 PM Flag

    Mr. shores the courts have been political since our nation began so nothing new in How things are done.
    It appears to me given my limited life experience that the Parties are more divided and more demanding because of the divide and that is also reflected in whom is considered for a judgeship. Some time a single issue such as abortion will make or break a person attempt at office (either way) However as I have not lived but a short period of our nations history I can not say such division or party control is a new thing and given we had a civil war perhaps it is not that new in how much divided we are as a people.

    While I dislike the two party system or now two within the GOP and one in the Demo and how dysfunctional it has driven our country the idea of allowing or requiring a vote of the masses before the Gov. could act is simply impractical and would cause our country to be a laughing stock even more than it is today.

    I would support a vote to use arms of force by the majority to "continue or start a conflict" that a president and both houses had agreed on like Iraq. Immigration would be worth of a vote as well as would a default of the Gov or even a shut down of the Gov to tell politicians where the boundaries are that their jobs are demanded to reach. Min wage, health care, globalization are other choices that could be put up on a vote of majority.

    Again each with choices like min wage increase yes or no If yes win then an amount would also be listed giving several choices to voters like 4 different amounts or % and time frame.

    You would I am sure end up with situation where a state like yours would vote one way and the nation another thus your elected rep. would have to support not his state or area but the whole country.

    The time frame would be the biggest problem and state lossing out to the nation would surely increase the divided nature of our country not improve it. Dangerous but different lol

  • Reply to

    OT BS personal, ideological, and party agenda

    by barbershores Jul 28, 2014 11:17 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 12:25 PM Flag

    Mr. BS spare me the "I do not have a side" the fact you posted what you did and your comments about Harry Reid displayed clearly what your side is on this vote. You sir may not be registered voter to any party but you clearly by past post have shown yourself to very libertarian in your views and clearly a man who can and does vote GOP but still you fain NO SIDE? Come BS stand up and be counted instead of lurking and taking your shots then claim you never fired a round. What happened to the old BS who didn't mind showing his "side" to all. Your 5,000 Dow under Obama was wrong but at least a "side" you believed.

    ACA is the ONLY Liberal agenda I see that has come from Obama unless of course you count the "Liberal"
    eco views which has given us not a 5,000 dow but a 17,000 Dow and frankly I am glad for that since it has made me a lot of money that GW recession took away from me.

    The majority is alive and well and has spoken in 2012 and will again speak in 2014 and then 2016.
    A Side will win and you claim you will be one of the few American's who have no side in the results?

    You actually believe that or have you got so defensive lately that you feel only comfortable when hiding behind such a foolish statement. We all have a side.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 11:20 AM Flag

    Giroux in an effort to be fair the south has always been poorer than other area's of the USA and this do to how folks lived (rural) and how the states developed or remain the same after civil war. South very racist so cheap black labor meant cheaper white labor pay as well. South both Demo and GOP ruled by folks with money and have been pro business and pro money and anti labor rights thus keeping labor wages down and again until 60's the law allowed less pay for blacks than whites for same job and less pay to whites or black get your job. Demo's ran the south in the 60's so do not blame GOP for that part of history. The rich whites merely swapped parties starting in the late 60's as demo's went for civil rights and all means possible has been used since to keep pay low and profits high.

    Some area's of the West has same patterns (NM, Az,col) where Hispanic were used for cheap labor.
    Texas has both Hispanic and black cheap labor but unlike most of the rest of the south has a lot of industry which pushed up labor wages.

    Both parties over the last 100 years have been anti labor and pro capital but clearly starting with FDR we see the Demo party being the party of the working man and the common folk with SS, labor laws, safety laws which protect and help the worker. Many in the Tea Party have benefitted from these "liberal" laws and take the benefits and hate the party that gave it to them lol.

  • Reply to

    OT BS personal, ideological, and party agenda

    by barbershores Jul 28, 2014 11:17 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 11:09 AM Flag

    Mr BS once again you claim to be for democracy then you show clearly you are not. I would like for you to show me examples of when a decision of the court of appeals 3 judge panel is not appealed to the full court.
    You can not be so dense as to not know that is how our court system works can you? It is not Demo or GOP because they both do it and MUST if the decision is to be appealed to the SC unless in rare cases the SC can agree (by 5-4 at least) to hear the case)

    You do not seem to mind the majority 2-1 decision against ACA but you start to rant and rave the loss of democracy IF the whole court by a MAJORITY findings reverse the decision. Which democracy ruling do you favor? The case MAY reach the SC and if it does your conservative side has a 5-4 majority so maybe you will again enjoy democracy if they rule 5-4 the way you favor.

    Not so much about democracy or whatever you want to call it. What it really is in your case and mine and with almost ALL American's is does the decision, law, election, favor the way I want things.

    You want a democracy only when your side wins. If your side losses the majority feelings then you love a house of Rep. who do not at all represent the will of the majority of the people as the House of Rep ratings is the lowest of all. Lower than the Senate and Lower than the President. Your majority saying clearly throw the bums out but alas given the corrupt system of safe seat only new bums would win and that thanks to a SC ruling . You do want a democracy or republic you want to win as do most of us and try to find ways not to have to put it such a way that shows our on self interest right or wrong.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 29, 2014 10:52 AM Flag

    warmwith KMP has a past history which you check out. It is in the business of mainly but not only pipelines but in energy sector in other ways. Ask yourself a question in the next 10 years will pipelines be needed more? Less? about the same? How long will current pipelines move product from current field? (Balkens will last how long? Eagle Ford? New fields will require new pipelines to at least hook up with old ones.

    No one can see 20 years down the road given middle east, Russia, Terrorist, global warming and things unknown lol but KMP is a good "safe" place today to invest and then like all your investment you watch and use your intelligence to try to play it as secure as you can. A nice stop limit to protect a % of your investment which hopefully will rise over the years. XOM is maybe safer but pays about 2.5% in dividends Chev a little better. Some medical LMP pay 5-6% but who knows what the future is in medical services?

    Only a time machine will accurately answer your question but maybe Mr. Buffet will let you use his?

  • Reply to

    Most "Socialist" states in the US

    by nikkorott Jul 27, 2014 11:09 AM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 28, 2014 2:29 PM Flag

    nikk sorry I think I misread your post if by revenue positive you mean the state got more than they paid in I know that the South including Texas gets more from the Fed than paid in.

  • Reply to

    Most "Socialist" states in the US

    by nikkorott Jul 27, 2014 11:09 AM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 28, 2014 11:33 AM Flag

    nikk please furnish a site that backs up this claim as I know the RED SOUTH is all in the Gov Hog Pen.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 28, 2014 11:32 AM Flag

    38000 VL
    26000 SU

    Down from highs but still way above money making.

  • Reply to

    Interesting definition

    by keembodakine Jul 25, 2014 5:56 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 27, 2014 5:38 PM Flag

    lake do you have a site to Prove your statement or do we by faith believe in you? You resort to LIes to try to discredit God. So tell me Lake just HOW do you know those men were paid? In fact care to tell us who those men were. You attack not only God but men you really do not even know by name and claim they are all corrupt. You are a sad example of a Liberal and that is why I find you no different than a tea party liar who will Lie and try to discredit anyone to prove a point that of course is false.

    This post is one of the easiest of yours to see how mean spirited and untruthful you truely are.

    Go on Lake Name the men you call corrupt. Can you even Name them?

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 26, 2014 11:02 AM Flag

    scs All Border laws were established with commerce, tariffs, quota's and trade issues as the focus. Those revenues gave the USA its operating money for its early years. So the law on the border and all court decisions over 200 years have supported that idea that the Federal ALONE controls the border.

    You may not like that but it is the Law. Shame those right wingers in the house and Senate do not introduce a bill that would change that to give states some authority but instead they waste their time on other issues.

    Texas Law Enforcement of all types has to be "Asked" to help or accompany Federal Law Enforcement when a "Border" Law enforcement operation is on going. The area that the Court (SC) has established as "Border Nexus" belongs only to the US Gov. Border search and seizure laws belong ONLY to the US Law Enforcement agencies which have given that authority and the state can not on its own claim a Border Nexus search even if standing on the Rio Grande.

    Border Law Enforcement was a remains an area of inter agency dispute among the Feds and now under home land security most of those laws are now found within Homeland but not all.

    Perry is merely doing what Perry loves to do. He is a born show boater and loves getting attention but the 1,000 state paid for Nat Guard will only be allowed to do at the border what the Obama led Fed Gov tells them they can do. fortunately the agencies get alone better than the leadership in most cases and they manage to work together most of the time.

    Texas could not afford to have the responsibility of border security and yes your taxes would have to go up if they ever got that responsibility.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 26, 2014 10:44 AM Flag

    Giroux I am sure that every night the Demo leadership get down on their knees and pray that the house will even try for a vote on impeachment. If they do I think that will cost the GOP the Senate as it will remind people just how nothing ever changes with the GOP. The right wing even more right wing now than when old Newt ran them has done nothing but follow the Newt years failures on how to Gov. Gov shutdowns, Impeachment (they actually had a case in Clinton situation) committee after committee trying to score political points with one investigation after another and even the spoiled and slow to learn US voters finally woke up to wasteful and child like this type of Gov. was.

    GW Bush had numerous US buildings attack and lost of American life and the Demo controlled house never once opened an investigation. The same with the whole Iraq screw up. Trying to be an adult and get alone does not work with the foaming at the mouth right wingers as again we see the rah rah about Bengasi over and over again as if the public has not seen and heard all that they want to about that.

    Most of those house seats are safe again thanks to a political corrupt Supreme Court that ruled you can rig elections and form dist that are safe for political reason as long as you do not do it by race????
    Such dist insure that idiots will keep their seats in the house leaving only the Senate at play.

    Obama may have low appeal right now but compared to the HOUSE he is a dream come true. The House is truly a house of fools. The GOP eats their own as the defeat of the #2 GOP in the house shows. Canter was not right enough for the mad dogs so they ate him up. I do indeed hope that they impeach Obama to show once again just what a shame and disgrace they are to our nation.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 25, 2014 11:34 AM Flag

    Grump poor fellow you just have to put words in my mouth even when I am not involved in the post lol.
    You are such a liar, without any truth and doing the will of your father very well I may say.

    For the record I am indeed aware and delight in the fact that the GOP is now housed in a tent that is HUGE but alas not big enough for all the ego bearers in that party. We have "LOG CABINE", TEA PARTY, Neo Cons and the good old filthy rich boys all have to rub shoulders inside the tent which is smelling more like an outhouse than a tent especially come primary time. Yes they are other factions as well but of little interest in power and when push comes to shove the MONEY BOYS wins 90% of the time. Money still walks and BS merely talks. The South full of racist is where the tea party can top money and Texas being the best example of that lately.
    Your next lie. corps couldn't be prosecuted unless they WERE "people", yes?
    How lame even for you. Of course Corps could be prosecuted and were before the SC found them to be worthy of buying elections. Civil action against the Corp and criminal action against its officers have been done for years and years as surely you know so do not know why you tried such a weak lie you usually do better. Just ask the GOP Gov. of Fla if HIS corp wasn't prosecuted and fined billions of dollars.

    The biggest LIe however has to be "I disagree GWB wanted to spread democracy? To me that's funny."
    Either you are a Liar or a fool. I never figured you for a fool. Deceived yes Fool no.
    So you want us to believe that you believe and GW believed and all those in WH believed that by invading Iraq and doing away with Saddam would allow the Iraqi people to produce a democratic country?
    afghan land as well lol. Wait where have I heard that before? oH YES Vietnam that is why we were in Viet Nam as well. Well if you really are so stupid to actually believe that GW is that stupid that makes you dumber than dumb lol.

  • Reply to

    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 25, 2014 11:18 AM Flag

    Lake thanks for giving me a nice laugh. You are such a child and clearly you have no nutmegs at all.
    You now add "I demand an apology" to your right wing behavior. Yes indeed another right winger did indeed "demand" an apology. What a high self esteem you have of yourself of course someone who knows all there is to know about everything would believe themselves I suppose.

    I have said many times on this board that I do not drink yet you said to go have a drink. Be like me telling you to go say a prayer lol.

    If your not man enough to take a post that catches you at your child like behavior maybe you ought not play with the big boys? Now feel between your legs and find your nutmegs if you can and act like a man and be about your right wing style of post.

    Only a total idiot (are you really that?) would not know that evolution is based upon the concept of survival of the fittest and that getting ride of "INFERIOR" types within a species is the only way that "nature" or evaluation holds to the "LAW" that the species evolves and improves. Jesus says the only way "MAN" evolves is by loving your neighbor as yourself and loving God. Two beliefs with two very different LAWS.
    Hitler who was not a Christian as you have lied and said in the past (no apology demanded) did indeed believe in the SUPERIOR RACE and did his best to CULL as many Inferior races of mankind and build the great Aryan Race to rule forever. If that is a page out of evolutionism Law I do not know what could be clearer. You saw no mercy or compassion from the #$%$'s as they were about building the MASTER RACE.
    As some right wing Christian want to make laws and force behavior of what they think is Christian teaching on all because they believe it will be for the greater good (and they like it) so too did the #$%$'s think they were about the greater good. Jesus says to love the #$%$ sexual as yourself. Never would he not say hire one or abuse them. That is love.

  • Reply to

    who would gamble and buy more shares

    by rami36 Jul 24, 2014 4:09 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 25, 2014 10:58 AM Flag

    rami I am already a gambler on FRO but I do think it a good time to gamble. Look at the rates for one thing and only peace and quite in the Middle east will ease the pressure on the rates since who can not see that is the cause of the higher rates? So the quarter will be a good one even with a loss given the positive spin that the rates will allow in the looking forward statement. Mr. F still works between FRO and SFL as we just saw so he has not thrown in the towel on FRO.

    The downside at 2.50 with an up side of over 4 in next year makes it not a bad bet. I think a low of 2 and a high of 6 in next year is more real but I limit the gain to 4 to be conservative (yes on money I can be conservative)

    The word is gamble. Do you have the nutmegs to put down your money to make the bet or not is the real question. If rates stay were they are for another 6 months FRO will have a nice cash build up to improve the balance sheet and with the middle a total failure or their normal self how can the rates drop as low as they were before the pick up? I think buying now is a very good gamble.

  • Reply to

    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 24, 2014 11:54 AM Flag

    Lake you have now crawled down to the lowest bottom rung of the ladder I see joing your right wing racist brother rje in saying I am a drunk. Lol you just can not stand anyone who disagrees with you can you.

    No defense of your so called survival of the fittest producing compassion and mercy? I understand how can you defend such a contrast of theories.

    Let me tell you how you can defend yourself since you seem to be unable to do so. evolution is for the betterment of mankind in the long run as it does cull out the weak and those that need help and thus drag down the gene pool. Jesus said love them and take care of them so He is anti mankind because he wants to put for Love as more important to mankind than culling out the weak.

    Any real anti God pro evolutionist as you claim to be should be able to say those things with pride.
    Kill off the weak or let them die who cares 50,000 years and we will be better off for such actions now. Love is not the answer and you should only care for the elite of the species to move it toward improvement.
    Seig Heil.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 24, 2014 11:45 AM Flag

    scs the left wing has always had crazy ideas I guess. They were against slavery, wanted women to have the right to vote, for child labor laws, for safe working conditions, all you right wing nut jobs were against those crazy ideas. If you are against abortion because you claim to be PRO LIFE then how can you be ANTI LIFE unless the life in question can pay for treatment? Careful how you hide behind a cross it could fall on you.

    I stayed in Hospital for 14 days and had 2 surgies done. Got the bill yesterday from Hospital it was 93,000 dollars. Now tell me how little Johnny or Sussie mom and dad can afford that without help from somebody.
    That was not the doctors bill either those are separate.

    You said you have not been sick or ill for a long time so you have not a clue how much it cost if you end up in hospital. This was a Baptist teaching Hospital as well and clearly for profit. If you had no insurance that would be your bill and what "They say you owe". My insurance paid 1200 bucks and said my "other" insurance paid 12000 which would I guess be Medicare part A. So at first glance it appears the billed 93,000 has been satisfied by 13,500 but someone without insuance would still owe another 80,000 bucks so you defend that math.

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