Lake you argue out of both sides of your mouth. You ask why God can or can not do something then when you get an answer you say there is no God. Your entitled to your opinion but I am also entitled to not agree with it. In your opinion there is no God but that is merely your opinion. You ask about Love and how a God which you do not believe could allow someone He loves to suffer. My example was how a parent is often helpless to stop bad things happening to their children. God rather you believe in him or not was not the question you asked. You created a God and then asked how He could love someone who would die and go to Hell. The same question is asked of a parent who child dies out of faith. Free will is the answer.
You will not accept it since you do not believe in God but your question was asked of a God that you raised the question about. Sorry Lake you don't get to make all the rules you are most certainly not a God lol.
scs while you do not give Obama credit for your investment decision you made them in a market and a eco that was growing due to policies by OBAMA and the FED. Both understood that you have to stem and eco to make it grow. The GOP does not believe this as they only want to cut Gov spending and Gov spending of ALL kinds is what stems the eco. THE GOP wants to cut the spending which would take money out of the eco.
So while YOUR decision were you own the results of 6 years of pouring money into a very sick eco was done by Obama and the FED. The FED also upped the insurance that banks have in money you keep in them which allowed business to safetly keep more business accounts cash available safe at a new 250,000 dollar amount up from 100,000 and thus prevented a run on the banks during those darkest of days.
No matter how smart we might think ourselves I doubt you or I either one would see any growth or much if this country would of went into depression which steming the eco prevented or if the GOP radical right had forced the Gov to default or if the GOP had succeeded in cutting the spending to the levels they wanted. If you like your new found success in the market then you best understand that in a depressed LT bear market due to bad eco news it will be really hard to look as smart as a growing eco gives us the ability to do.
The law of averages works in your favor when the Dow and ALL other index's have moved up almost 100% or more in the last 6 years and if the next 6 years brings a retreat to 2008 index numbers due to Gov policies then who will you blame then? The Demo's wanted to stem which they did as much as the GOP would allow to protect tax breaks for the richest 5% of Americans. The EU did not follow that model and if you look at the EU and UK today you will see how much better the US eco finds itself compared to them. My net worth and your net worth is indeed related and will remain so to the overall eco. Stem you win.
scs you are wrong on two counts at least. First of all my post was taken from the news that the House Select Committee lead by chairman Isia of CAL. who had on Fox many times said "the white this and the white house that" and now the findings of the committee HAS BEEN released.
NO WHITE INVOLVEMENT WAS FOUND. Go and read it for yourself unless you prefer to believe the Lies or stand and continue to claim as you did that the investigation into the white is not finished. It is done read it for yourself.
You also accuse the IRS of treating Liberal groups normel while not doing the same for conservative groups. Again right out of Fox news talking points or some Lying Congressmen on such programs.
The facts are scs and again you can look them up if you want facts instead of lies. The IRS DID disallow some Liberal Groups the tax status they were seeking while NOT ONE CONSERVATIVE Group was disallowed. Facts Mr SCS not LIES or worse yet what you want to believe.
You have never worked with IRS Agents like I have so you assume they are powerless and stupid just setting around waiting for the "White House" to tell them what to do. You are totally wrong and an IRS agent is paid to think and act within the law to find and procede on Investigation on their own. The agents assigned to the group that worked these types of groups both liberal and conservative were expected to investigate EVERY Application for a tax free status that is THIER JOB. To make sure the law is being followed. The fact they disallowed Liberal groups and not conservative groups show no bias was found and if it was a bias it was within the individual agent who did the investigation and not the IRS upper levels.
IRS Agents are assigned Groups and each group has responsibility to work investigations without the area of assignment. Drug units focus not on tax exemption groups but on Individuals. None wait on the white house to tell them to open an investigation or even a boss.
Mr Lake If you had a child and this child was told the right way to live by you which would benefit your child and benefit those around your child you did that out of Love would not not? Love for the child not for your own love. Then this child started doing things that was against your Loving teaching and their life began to show the effects of the errant behavior. For Love of your child you would again and again try to "teach and show" the correct way to live their lives. Would you not?
The child rejects your attempts and becomes someone who acts, talks and enjoys everything different from the way you tried to guide that child. Your best efforts have failed it seems.
You now have a choice if you could you could capture your child and imprison them and not allow them any thoughts or actions on their own free will. You would also every day force the "correct" response out of the child or inflect punishment upon the child to try to "force" them to change their behavior or thought process. You could not however change their heart could you?
The response that most parents would make would be to continue to offer advise and help in the hope that the child would "come to their right mind" but always would be the love for the child.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that you or I as a parent can and do love our children even when they disobey us or become something we would NEVER become and yet you reject the idea that God does not love His children because He does not Force them to Obey.
A child can break your heart but not your love for them. Sadly many parents have watched the children they love put to death for crimes they committed or died because of bad decision or habits or been killed while trying to kill others. Those parents never forget the small baby the child once was or the love that they had for them even and until and after their death. The failure is the child's not the parent but the Love never fails. Love never ceases.
Instead of having a day of enjoying all the shoping that went into Christmas and the focus on ourselves as to what we got and the making of the US Capitialist Retail market how about 1 day when Everyone did just as Jesus said do on the Sermon on the Mount. Now that would make a far better world if only for a day. Yea that would include me as well in the obedience part.
For those who have the dow and other index's as your IRA you really might want to think who's eco polices have given you the BIG jump in % of profit for this year. A gift I see little thank you for and in fact most on this list do not even seem to realize how much money they have made if in an index 401K or IRA. Lets see how 2015 goes when the GOP tries to give more tax breaks to Corp;s and the richest 10% of Americans and take away from the bottom 47%. Lets see how defaults work into their great eco plan. Lets see how they effect the eco of the world if they cut instead of invest in Growth. Then at the end of 2015 we can revist those index funds and see how well the guys you wanted running things did for you account balances.
For a bunch of Capitalist you sure do not seem to enjoy the money that you have made during the 6 years of Obama running the show. Taking Food stamps away seems more important to you guys than seeing another 1,000 or so in your index account or for stock you picked that has benefited as well. 2015 what will it bring? An end to same sex marriage? I doubt it the Supreme is voting the other way on that one. End to Abortion as legal? Same answer, Guns for everyone? Nah gun laws will remain the same. 14,000 Dow? Maybe lower depending on how crazy the tea party right wingers are able to screw things up. You boys on the right have a great year ahead of you and remember be careful what you want you may get it.
For months and months and months we heard the GOP Lie Machine talk about how the IRS had been told to target Conservatives groups tax status by "the white house" Never mind that NOT ONE Conservative Group was denied or lost their tax status while Liberal groups did. That would be too factual wouldn't it.
We were told about great conspiracy between the IRS and the White House on Fox News at least 3 times a week some GOP Hack would be talking about how terrible the "White House" was using IRS to attack poor Conservative Groups.
Well while the country pays attention to Christmas the House Committee that was the most accusing and most aggressive and most offensive to all who set before who worked for the Gov now their own report SAYS
"NEVER MIND" uhmmm orrrr well we were wrong the WHITE HOUSE had nothing to do with targeting Conservative Groups at all. Oh yea just like the Benghazi Committee findings was another admission of nothing but lies and stupid and politics from the GOP hacks.
Well the GOP shouldn't be too upset I am sure they are a few on this list that will to their grave talk about Benghazi and the IRS being all the White House fault. Because of facts? NO even the GOP control House Committess had to admit to the truth after spending millions of tax dollars on nothing but political attacks.
No facts are not what the boys in here want to believe they want to believe what THEY want the facts to say.
Well just keeping watching Fox news for those type of facts the LIE machine will move on to its next BIG LIE.
Americans are not too stupid to see through this but the real facts are that those RIGHT WINGERS on this board WANT to believe in Lies as the Facts and truths just does not work for them. The lefties already figure out the LIES so seeing the House to ADMIT ONCE AGAIN they wasted millions of dollars while they want to cut food stamps for kids on LIES. That boys and girls is Politics American Style.
rami and just how much of your money are you putting up behind your claim? Do you never get tired of making a fool of yourself? Not only do you not make any money off of your so called brilliance since you never put any money behind it but we have to listen almost daily to your gutless comments.
Until you put your money where your mouth is your just another gutless wonder running your mouth.
I do hope you vote GOP and join the rest of the gutless crowd.
derrickman you either want to see things the way you post them or you are totally delusional.
Here is a clue check out the Dow Jones the last day your hero Bush was in office and look at what it is today.
I know in your world a good healthy eco and Dow only counts when a GOP is in office but most see a 9,000 point different between the Bush and Obama dow and guess who is 9,000 higher?
All but one GOP voted for the IRAQ war and a lot of Demo's including President Obama voted against it.
Your claims of foreign intelligence about WMD is so wrong only a loon would claim it and someone who is total moroon would believe it.
Afghanistan action should of been done and it should of finished before your hero little GW ran off to attack Iraq and found nothing got ride of Saddam and now we have over 5,000 dead and over 50,000 wounded many without legs and arms and of course ISIS is alive and well without Saddam to keep his foot down on their throat. You boy little GW is really smart guy. WHAT a HERO you have.
And look there is yet another Bush wanting to be president. If this country is so stupid to put another Bush in the white house then we really do deserve whatever else the Bush family and the GOP is capalble of shoving down the average American voters throat. An idiot like you actually believes in and defends a Guy and party that almost sent the country into a depression and did cost a lot of lives for nothing. NOTHING.
rails I can not believe you support that DOE program especially since the GOP wanted to do away with DOE.
Why do you think it smart to "reload" oil into those storage facilities? It has never been needed in the past and we produce more oil in the US than we did when it was started. If war came we no longer have a merchant marine to support this country so why should we worry about oil being stored. Lets just surrender and end the war fast. Not sure who we are afraid of but you right wingers fear anyone that moves or may move. Or maybe you just like the idea of the Fed Gov buying cheap and selling high making it a business.
You are against higher taxes but support profit making off of oil deals? What other business could the Fed get involved in? Timber they could cut down even more of the timber on Federal Land and give it away I mean sell it to the timber companies. Land sale America on Sale? How about water? In sort supply now days must be lots of money in that. But the Fed Gov should NOT be involved in health care for its citizens.
It should not put a tariff on all the slave labor made products out of Asia. It should not bother to protect workers of America or try to keep the air and water clean (except the water they give away to big business of course) You have a very twisted idea of what a Gov should do for its citizens and what it should do for Big Business interest. To one anything they can to help make profit higher for globalist for the other as little as possible. I wonder how the Gov. will continue to get its citizens to fight for it if all it does is cater to big business interest? No labor protection, No health care benefits, No universal SS benefits but let min wage worker take care of themselves and do away with min wage. What a country to live in. You will be dead by the time the revolt comes but if you right wingers have your way it will come.
rails wait you want Your President to SPEND your tax dollars by buying oil??? Oil we do not need?
Is that not like giving your tax dollars to the oil producers just to Give them money? You know Stemming the eco by using tax dollars to pass money through the eco?
Funny how when the gov gives business the money it is ok but if they try to help people that is entitlements.
You are funny for a conservative. Just give it to business even if it was for national defense purpose and clearly we no longer need it. Why not instead take the good old conservative view and urge the total shut down of that part of the gov that employees people to work and guard that unneeded oil? you know Gov. waste. Darn rails you starting to act like a Demo instead of a tea party guy. Cut spending remember not spend more. Cut jobs not continue to work people we do not need.
Come on rails slap yourself your slipping here.
gebenhoeh Today the stock market hit 18,000 that means people with BIG MONEY have made Big MONEY 6 years ago they were Lossing BIG MONEY. What happen to change that? You had a Demo in the office of President who STEMMED the ECO as much as the GOP would let him. EVERYTHING is politics especially MONEY. Why do you think the KOCH Brothers are so Political? They want to make and keep as much MONEY as they can. Look at the USA who persued a STEM policy and cut very little and see how our eco. growth and overall debt reduction is so much better that the EU who STEMMED less and thought CUTS was important to debt reduction. ALL LAG the US eco. NO thanks to the GOP and their loons on the extreme right that even wanted the US to default on debt.
If you think Politics mean nothing to wealth improvement then you vote for loons who still want cuts cuts cuts and see how you like a world wide depression. If you think oil demand is low now I promise you in a depression oil demand will a less and the price a lot lower, unemployment higher much higher, tax revenues down and debt UP. That is what Politics can do to wealth. The idoits who look only at tax rates assume they will always have money to be taxed a Depression can change all that. If AGI had went down in 2008 a lot of pension (retirement) and IRA would of went down with them. Politics is everything to an eco.
If politics does not look forward and try to grow the eco then what is the results? The eco slows downs and all suffer. The speed which money moves and multiplies and creates job and wealth must be feed not starved.
You wealth depends on a healthy eco. Even one stemmed with added has hope of recovery while one address by only cuts is admitting defeat and failure. Which one you want? Politics decide those issues.
If single sex marriage is more important to you than your 401K or IRA or brokerage accounts then so be it.
It is all about the eco and eco is about politics.
rami rami rami boy what can I do with you????? If you buy FRO at 1.30 and sell it at 2.67 that is over 100% on your money in less than 3 months. I will take that all day long.
You were told to buy but did you? NOPE you knew better you rant and rave about this and that as you are still doing but what you don't do is cover your shorts or buy cheap shares for a nice profit. FRO is above 2.40 as I type this which is WAY above the average cost of the shares I hold with NONE of own money behind them. How you doing on that? How many FRO shares you own off of money you made off of buying and selling FRO the last 3 months? You could of if you would of bought when I told you to buy.
Sorry rami that you didn't and I do hope you covered your shorts but frankly you do not ever admit buying long or short on FRO you just set yourself up as an expert on FRO.
You have never said you had any skin in this game rami. Here is some more free advise for you rami. Buy FRO. Even getting in at 2.40 a share will make you money in the next 6 months. Don't worry the debt will be taken care of and when that happens FRO will see at least 4 bucks and I think 5 in the next 6 months. But hey I only put my money behind what I say while you???? who knows what you do as you never say. You want to be taken seriously then tell us how you plan to make money off of your FRO expertise?
fschwedman after reading the last co. info it seems they are going to tap into their lending pool to pay for two new ships. How and why they would do this with the debt conversion ahead of them seems foolish to me unless they know something we do not. If they would "push back" taking delivery say 6 months and use that money plus the cash flow you talk about to retire those conversion I think that would be a better use of the 60 million bucks. Mr. F. has the muscle with the ship builders to get such a delay if he chooses too. This company is acting like a company that does not have a worry about the debt looming over them and I hope they do not address the debt with more stock switches while using borrowed money to buy more ships. They are indeed acting like a LT company which I think they are but the stock is also being held back by this debt and even higher prices have not reflected the true value of FRO once the debt is behind them. A rise to 4-5 bucks I think will happen if rates stay above 40,000 and 30,000 and the debt is gone. By the third quarter of 2015 you could even see a dividend being issued depending of course on rates.
The debt is the hill to climb for FRO and they are sure acting as if it has already been done.
Rates have retreated down to 74,000 area on VLCCF and 58,000 on Suez FRO depends on those rates staying at least above 50,000 is my guess to run higher.
Saudi has said they will cut production which if they do it should bring oil prices up. EU countries would be wise given Russian aggression to store up oil in Tankers at these low rates and perhaps they have been doing exactly that someone has that's for sure.
I see no need to see FRO in any new danger of cash short fall for the next quarter given the rates have been well above the 50,000 for most of the quarter and until they drop below available cash flow should be piling up nicely for them. Who knows what LT contracts they have worked in during this opportunity to buy cheap oil.
Saudi if smart would sell their oil based on fixed price and to Saudi and UAE oil you pay that amount or it is not sold that alone would force the price of oil up and at same time bring Saudi more per barrel than Russia or Iran could get. The oil market is ready to start a bloody war it seems on its big producers and Saudi been at this longer than the others and has more LT partners. Fun times eh?
Rails as one of the most conservative right wingers on this board I have to give you the credit that I have not seen out of most of the others who think and vote as you do.
You admitted that what Obama did in reaching out to Cuba was a smart thing to do.
How the GOP who has backed and still backs unlimited Globalist can single out Cuba as a country who human rights record is bad enough to not to trade with is beyond me.
Truth is 95% of Cubans living In Cuba and working in Cuba are better educated, has better health care and food and housing and standard of living than 90% of our buddies in China or Indonesia or Thailand, Viet Nam, Malaysia all of which US Corp's exploit the labor of the people in those countries.
You are correct that what Obama has done toward Cuba is the right thing to do I only wish he had the guts to do it 6 years ago. The GOP controlled house and Senate will try every trick in the book to stop this move from happening and if a GOP wins the white house it will be undone. It is hard to stand up for America when you are on your knees before the Florida Cuban vote. You are also correct that many criminals from a country that has a hard line policy of illegals drugs or other crimes were "dumped" into the US. Again this was done as more Anti Castro than with brains. How long will the politicians remain brain dead on Cuba is anyone guess but the GOP does not even release how sick they are to continue to single out Cuba when their trading partners in Asia have a far worse human rights record. If you were the Average Indian or Cuban which place would you rather live in? Just pick any Asian country and ask yourself that question. Democracy is an idea but life is reality and the country that gives the better standard of living over most of the Democratic and non Asian countries is Cuba. As bad as Castro and Communism may be the Asian countries of Capitalist Globalism has proven worst their people.
dakine the majority of Americans either do not own a car or have never bought a new car.
To them money is the first consideration. Most of them do not commute from a home outside the city but live closer to their jobs if they have one.
Middle class America may indeed own more than one car but only in the upper middle class are they bought without price consideration. In that class is where the electric car is found. They are a special use car even for them.
I admit I am a meat and potatoes guy when it comes to a car. Even though I could drive a Lexus or Benz and buy it with cash like I do my chevie I think it a total waste of money to do that. I do look at miles per gallon in city mostly since I drive less than 12,000 miles a year and could most likely use an electric car for my driving needs and my electic charge is less than 10cents a unit so I guess I could save money by going elect. but frankly that is just not me.
I am all for solar and wind and NG instead of coal or oil or nuke but I do not see oil, coal or nuke going away without a fight from the money behind them all.
Having the techno does not mean that the product will put another on the shelf. NG proves this as it has been available for car use for over 50 years and most of that time it was as cheap or cheaper than gasoline. So why has not it caught on? The buying public did not see any "class benefit" from owning such a car nor did the real buyers understand or worse yet they knew that NG filling stations where available and ANY inconvenience to them was a bridge too far. BIG OIL did not want NG cars nor do they want electric so do not expect BIG OIL owned and controlled filling stations to rush to install electric hook ups even IF a big fast charge to allow a continued trip was possible.
Limited use at a higher price is the current appeal of electric cars. Same applies to any other form of energy to drive a car. Until proven and available no market or limited one.
rails I am both in and out. I sold took profit and ALL the shares I now own come from my profit in FRO. In other words if it goes BK I lose only the money I have made from FRO.
I do not expect it to go BK and I expect to add more profit to my gamble but being a place where losing is not possible is a win win at least that is the way I like to gamble lol.
rails I have to admit after reading your Castro to Benghazi comparison and how it was Kennedy who put in place the screwed up foreign policy that was anti Castro I am a little nervous about being in on the FRO gamble with you lol.
How many findings on Benghazi are you going to dismiss simply because they deal with fact while you want the facts to be your facts? The State, CIA, Defense are all full of career employees who have to carry out the wishes of the white house. You know when the CIA cooked the books for WMD for GW and Defense and State nodded in agreement. When the truth was told the white house went after the wife of the man who told the truth. Over 5,000 dead and 50,000 wounded and you want to talk about Benghazi? Do you think Obama ordered the ambassador to go there? The guy went on his own knowing the danger and he paid for his mistake as did those who died with him. GW and his boys sent 5,000 others to die for nothing. The mess today is far worse than anything Saddam ever did to the US anyway. ISIS would not be here today if Saddam was still in charge of Iraq. Iraq had NO WMD and nothing to do with 9-11 and was under an air cover that had him hemmed in but GW said we have to go.
Man I hope you are a better gambler than a person who remembers the facts of history. Kennedy inherited the bay of pigs and a foreign policy that was already anti Castro. I think he should of called the whole thing off and tried new approaches to Castro but instead he did what Obama did with the Bush foreign policy disaster and try to find a way to win or save face. Sometimes the best policy is admitting you are wrong and get the heck out. So far Lybia has been positive and if the worse price we pay for that win is Benghazi then we get lucky and Benghazi was worth the price. Frankly down the road I see labia being as much a problem as Iraq. But I hope I am wrong.
dakine you can not outrun the radio lol. Nor can you recharge while running.
Boats have had electric motors for a while and sailboats are toying with them but most of the sailboat industry is not for the top 10% of the eco class and lets face it if you are into sailing you like to waste money.
The engines however are weight to power positive for a sailboat and can be ran off a diesel charger and still save money on operation but I doubt many "gas monkies" who can work on electric motors as electronics in a salt water pond just do not go to gather too well.
They of course have electric drag cars and motorcycles but Harley didn't beome Harley off of winning races and it is the sound that you want at the drag strip. I mean really so you win nobody heard you win what fun is that??? Bottom line with electric cars a toy for the rich to show off with and not much else. If in 50 years they are electric filling stations out in the middle of no where they will be electric cars then. But this is question of build the stations with fast charging times and the cars will follow. Natural Gas car, buses and trucks have been around over 50 years but no filling stations have keep them in service to Gov use for the most part where they can be refilled. Beside the American car buying public thinks that gas down below 2.50 means who cares. I see no threat to jobs at the gas car filling stations, and manufacturing plants and dealers from electric cars. One day maybe but not in our life time.