Sorry pushed wrong button lol. Iraq is a mess and now Russia is sticking its nose into it which is a monstrous mistake on their part but will do nothing to ease the situation. Syria and Iran dancing around not knowing what to do. All that happening in the cradle of the great oil nations.
I am not saying that these higher rates will hold up forever but it is nice bridge toward the day when the supply of ships and the demand are more in line. SFL is also down and with a now 9% return in dividend would be a great time to buy as they too will rack up gains by these higher rates.
Even if a big run up happens in FRO driven by rates and MM boys at play as long as the rates are high like now would be hard to sell as these rates are the type that pour cash flow and profit into shippers.
But at 4.50 I may take half my profit out.
With these types of rates still holding after now 3 weeks the next quarter they show up in will be a good one.
even though FRO and NAT both are down from their highs both will rise up if these rates last.
Israel and Gaza are dealing death to each other. Iraq
scs I do agree with you that reading the Screwtape Letters or any of CS Lewis other books would be a blessing to the life of the reader. All the letters of the NT are directed to believers not to the world. All the sin and wrong behavior being pointed out is toward believers. The early churches and believers were a mess as they had come from vastly different cultures, life style, religious beliefs or lack of any to this NEW belief. The early church was not organized or structured as other religions of the day. There was ONE leader but He was not on earth. Many were alive and taught that had seen and heard Jesus and they wrote letters or had others write them from their accounts.
You blast out at IRS which is not different from a Roman tax collector which Jesus only comment was pay up.
You attack the President which scripture warns not too and find fault in him because does not spend his days out on the street in food kitchens which if he did you would find criticism toward him for not doing his job.
Obama has stood the gap between cuts in food stamps which "Your kind" cry and moan for and made sure millions of children and women and men would not have their food cut off by your cries. You accuse him of bad motives in such defense of social helps programs again wrong by the scriptures and without proof on your part. Even if you had proof so what. Did not Jesus know what type of person the Roman Leader was or that Harold was? Where do you see Jesus making personal attacks on the Gov. leadership?
One who calls himself by the name of Jesus Christ our Lord should try to do the things that Jesus did and said to do or admit your failures as sin, confess them and repent and try not to fall back into the trap of Satan again. The demon of Screwtape would be whispering into your ear it is ok to blast out at the Gov and its leadership since it is wrong and you are right. The word of God would convict you of your error.
Bob the word tells me clearly how I will be judged. If I do not Love my neighbor as myself then I can not love God and thus I fail both the commandments Jesus left us with. The devil does not need any devices planted inside us to capture or lure us away it is our failure of the heart to open to our neighbor that dams us.
I will pray for you and you pray for me to ask our Lord to yield our heart to the presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit to allow to overcome our hard hearts and embrace even our enemies in love.
Sin is not what dams us but the failure to admit our sin and go to the Master for forgiveness and accept His grace to walk in His forgiveness. The women caught in Adultery was not even accused by Jesus and yes she was told to go and sin no more but given Jesus teachings on 7 times 70 we are to forgive I believe had the women the very next day been again caught in adultery and brought before Jesus the outcome would of been the same.
We on this list attack the character and spew hateful words for the mere reason of disagreement over an issue that neither can prove for certain. Pride is clearly present on this board. Some who claim to be believers delight in personal attacks on the Gov and its current leadership in total disregard of the scriptures.
I have been guilty of that one many times as I know I am right (pride) and want to point out how foolish
the leader may be.
As for that medical device depending on what information was required to put on it I see it as something akin to a bracelet to alert Medical staff of a drug or illness danger on a person being treated. The devil does not suck up souls by mechanical means nor is something that reveals only truth a good tool for the devil to use.
The only thing that bothers me about such a device would be after they read it and have a complete idea of your medical history they would at first opportunity send someone in to get it all from you again.
GW Bush was warned about 9-11 type attack during the summer by his chief advisor on terrorism and he and his leadership turned a blind eye to the guy since he was Clinton hold over (which he was not really)
Iraq was and continues to be a total failure and GW BUSH and Cheney and the Neo Cons shoved that down America throats by telling lies after lies to the American public and flag waving. Even proven totally wrong on WMD still many defend the Bush invasion. Now that it is all falling to pieces still a lot of American's can not bring themselves to admit how stupid and failed this invasion and war was both in money cost, human life and given that the outcome is a failure as well.
Finally the crash of 07/08 brought about GW and GOP anything goes on Wall street and of course the continued denial of those on the right and in the GOP that it was to any degree their fault.
If American's are really so stupid as to not find GW Bush the worst president in a long while then I guess then need a few more years of GOP disasters to open blind eyes.
Obama the worse? The stock market at all times in recovery from 07/08 crash alone makes that a line of hooey. ACA instead of our old health care system even if you give Obama a strike out for that that is only one. In terms of life lost, money wasted and mission a joke ACA is not in same league as Iraq alone much less the other two Bush failures.
Let Putin and Russia become the clone of GW Bush if he wants to follow GW folly and "expand" the Russian empire into the middle east. I guess Putin is no where as smart as I thought he was if going into Cuba and Central America and Middle is his goal. He needs to check Russian History on those failures of the past.
Funny how so called smart leaders make the same mistakes of history over and over again.
How long before the GOP tries to make Putin a National threat? lea ve him alone and Russia will be broke again like the USSR went broke with those policies.
Bob I see your point about the fruit and temptation and I agree with the final outcome. We however have "many fruits" tempting us and the outcome is as bad for most :(.
In your post you mentioned "The mandatory class II medical device ID implant " so I looked it up and found it to be yet another false hood. Look it up on Snoops or some other fact check site and you will learn the truth about this. The power of a lie told and repeated over time (as this lie is not a new one and was around long before ACA was even being considered.
Speaking of ACA Obama did not draft it or want it in its finished form but was forced to take it to get something passed. That was his mistake. The GOP wanted no change and fought hard against any change as did some Demo. The single payer plan would of been better but like all Presidents Obama took what he could get.
I agree with you that homosexuality is merely another form of sin and I do not believe Jesus wants His followers singling out any one sin and saying not to allow them to work for you or to get discriminated against while other sinners are not so punished. The Lord does the judging not us and we are to love ALL our neighbors Homosexuals included. I admit to understanding your anger at some of those who advocate a homosexual life style as I do those that preach capitalism without any compassion or one of greed only.
The new testament speaks a lot more on the dangers of greed, wealth and selfishness than it does of even all sexual sins. I have never been to a church that lost members to a homosexual life style I am sure they are some but I have seen a lot of divorces within a church due to lust, greed and perusing success before family.
Our fruits are maybe more dangerous as many are taught it is ok to eat the fruit of success and it becomes the pearl of great value to too many believers. The devil knows how to work effectively and to make attractive what is death.
bob be careful in how you state things as I am sure you do not want to mislead anyone and only speak the truth. Obama did not legalize homosexual marriages. The movement had started before Obama and it has been the courts and states that have legalized such marriages. It would be truthful to say Obama favors them but not true to say he legalized them. You are also not accurate in calling Obama anti Christian legislation as this legislation came from congress and was signed by the President.
The fact is that millions of Christians like me believe that Paul was inspired when he wrote of a man and women enjoying each others bodies to keep LUST from taking control. No where in this scripture do I see enjoying sex for sex sake to be a sin nor do I see using a birth control method (which ever you choose) as sin.
I understand that those of the catholic faith have a doctrine that says all sex without the idea of having children is wrong but yet they practice the a method of birth control which the body itself follows to both try to avoid getting PG and to try to avoid doing so.
You are too quick to put horns on Obama and blame him for everything you fear or stand against as the courts and Congress and even the states have effected more laws than has the President.
I am curious as to why you think Adam and Eve had more of a challenge than you to love their enemies ?
Unlike you they never knew Obama who clearly you view as your enemy lol.
scs "working for some folks" can be applied to the health care system before Obama care as well.
The truth is that any heath care system will favor some more than others simply because of coverage need, location, and personal wealth or lack of it.
one thing Obama care did do and NONE can deny not is that millions with pre existing conditions are now covered that were not before. Some of whom were rich and had to pay for it themselves are now saving money as Obama care opens up cheaper insurance rates for them. The working poor who had pre existing conditions and no money to pay for it themselves and too much money for Medicaid also are now getting it.
Younger folks 21-26 and their parents are saving money as well on parent covered insurance.
Some may be paying more as does the higher earners on Medicare pay a higher monthly premium than do lower earners.
The bottom line will be that it will take a while for Americans to figure out if ACA helps or hurts them. I think more will be helped than hurt and most will know much difference will be the end results. Clearly those listed above are winners rich or poor or middle class. The poor I think also win as millions will be helped to cover the cost of insurance leaving some more well off folks having to pay more perhaps.
If instead of politics and self interest only the hope of a health care system is to provide good health care for as many people as possible then that alone should be the measure of success or failure ACA. But alas as shown on this board politics and self interest trumps any interest in covering more Americans.
Lake your mind and understanding of what God likes is not able to grasp the mind of God but you and I can only look at things through the eyes of the wisdom of the World not as if we had the wisdom of God and knowledge that God has.
Does He like it? No he does not nor did he cause the behavior that brought about the death of those you talk about. They choose to follow the sin of Adam caused by the Devil and not follow God's will. They offered up their own children in sacrifices. Tell me Lake how do you feel about parents today who kill their own children in cold blooded murder? They would rape and kill women of people they overpowered. Tell me Lake how would you feel toward men who raped and killed your wife, daughter, grand daughter?
Israel was God's chosen people in the OT which is where you find God ordering the deaths of men, women and children. God was their Father and He had foreknowledge of what would happen to His children if the evil influence of the people of the land His children was going into. He knew their deeds and practices and how they loved things of evil. So yes He did indeed order their death but that does mean he "Liked it" as you assume to know He does. History books and other writings and art on structures show how evil these people were indeed not just the OT.
A parent tells their child DO NOT DO THIS to protect them. If they disobey they are or should be disciplined to teach obedience, and again to protect but I never enjoyed having to punish my child nor did I enjoy not allowing my children to "play" with certain children who parents had not raised them in the best way but I did it to protect and teach my children correct behavior. Almost all parents do things they do not enjoy or like for the greater good of their children. Would you kill to save your child? Would you enjoy it? So why do you think God would enjoy if lowly humans like you and I do not like or enjoy all of our actions?
Today has been a better day for me and for rates of VLCCF as well as Suez. Soon the market boys will see yet another chance to run up FRO as their quarter based on these higher rates will as good as the last.
Of course some may believe that Peace will break out in middle east or that rates do not reflect the condition of the middle east. Both of course is dead wrong.
scs glad you realize that they are indeed starving and abused children in the US some do not. I thank God that we have at least until your kind stop it a Gov. that does do a lot to protect and feed children. Yes they are mistakes and failures but trying beats just being against something as you are.
The % of chidren suffering in the USA is a lot less than in any of the countries that these kids come from and you well know that. Strange how guys like you turn some dumb when you want to bring up a false point.
Even the % of their families that are poor and starving is higher than those in the USA simply because OUR GOV does indeed feed and care for not only children but their parents which NONE of the countries of Central America do as again you are well aware of. You do yourself a disservice by showing yourself to be ignorant instead of offering any real points to support your position.
I would support Sen Coburn idea of finding foster homes for these underage children to stay in while it is decided what to do with them. The present conditions for the housing of illegals to be deported or waiting for hearings are overcrowded and unsafe for the young so action of some kind to protect them is needed.
Obama is acting too slow on this as the whole process is bogged down in laws and red tape and the President along can by Exec Order move on it and he should. Congress is willing to fight to hell freezes along party lines while the kids suffer. Disgrace.
Lake you and I can disagree on the idea that it is human nature to help others as clearly in America we have went in a short 75 years from a country that would help others to a self centered whats in it for me crowd.
SS would never pass today and even when it did the GOP was strong against it. I also do not agree nor can you point to any Atheists organization that does what hundreds of Christian charities do. Show me one atheist group that stands for children being helped like World Vision or Compassion international does.
I do not doubt that you give money to some charities would you share a few of them with me?
Do not keep using Religion as the same word as Jesus. It is totally different. Jesus NEVER taught racism while Christian Religion did. Christian religion is not one bit better than Islam religion and has killed as many as Islam but just as Jesus does not influence Islam Jesus also does not influence many Christian religion either. Some worship Capitalism or Americanism more than Jesus.
You didn't know me when I did not follow Jesus nor would you of wanted too. So your idea that believing in Jesus and his teachings even if not true in your mind can't change someone is sure not right in case. I knew and still a lot of folks like I was and non of them know Jesus.
My old "Golden Rule" was to hell with getting even stay ahead. Lake not sure how old you are but if you live another 25 years you will an America that is clearly divided and hateful towards each other just as this list currently reflects. Racism will increase, fear and hate and pride and of course selfishness will be the characters that will drive the majority. Today in the White race in the USA it already does. That will go stronger not weaker. The minorities will start to rise up to engage that and will become no different.
We without Jesus will NEVER Just all get alone. Few really want too and prefer their own kind or be left alone.
Lake first you are right God did take care of me in my accident. Had I died God would still of taken care of me. My faith does not come from what God does for me. You believe that you have no control over the evolution process rather you like it or not or want it or not. You unlike me can not TRUST evolution to always do the best thing for mankind as ALL things are equal in evolution.
Paul says to live is Christ to Die is gain. OK I admit I am not there yet but I believe and understand what he meant. God remains God and I trust my outcome to be for the good of the Kingdom of God and as a subject of that kingdom I accept the rule of my King. American's showed long ago and continue to show they do not like having a King. So too do many Christians and they want the King to be their King and expect Him to do what they want done mostly for them.
The children you refer too violate the laws of the US which many US Christians seem to put (when they like it) above the law of God) God says love your neighbor as yourself and woe to those that abuse a child. Those who want their own personal King to do their will say their neighbor is only who they like and agree with and that children who are illegally in the USA are not under God's meaning. They want to send them back to a much harsher life. The Christian's who are against abortion want to change the USA law to agree with them but they support the US law that would send a child back to a dangerous situation. They want Jesus to dance for them not bow before Him in obedience.
Do not confuse what Jesus said to do with what those who claim to be His followers do. All His followers sin and fail to obey. A child is special to God just as are widow's and the poor to abuse or turn your back on them is doing that Jesus and that is what HE said. Those who claim Jesus as their Lord had better be careful how they treat Jesus with these kids.
VLCCF over 30,000 Suze over 27,000 and this has been since Iraq begain to fall to pieces and turn the whole middle east into yet a new tender box of Muslim's killing each other over doctrine from a book that does not teach such acts. Just as Christian's killed Christians as late as the 1990's again we see doctrine having great effect on the world we live in.
Rates have settled down some as the world adjust and gets used to yet another blood bath in the middle east but since the area is full of OIL fields we see the price of oil and shipping such oil driven up. Peace is out of the question as there is no Saddam to hold back the Iraq nut jobs and the fire has now spread to Syria and even Iran has to be nice to US for a season. When GW Bush advisors convinced him to stomp on the soft cow paddies of Iraq and destroy the firm hand that controlled we are now seeing the effect of where those stomped on paddies are landing.
How long will it all last and how long will it hold up the price of oil? The price of shipment of oil? Long enough for a good quarter for those in oil and shipping is my bet and thus my bet on FRO and NAT.
The MM boys may be through playing FRO until the next headline from the middle east or the quarter report come out but it seems they have found a toy they enjoy to play with.
Good luck to all players
Bob thanks for your kind words well at least half of them :) Careful how you state things on this list as even someone like yourself will get attacked as being a Liberal.
Laying on my back almost all the time and reading instead of watching TV or looking at internet has been refreshing. Read some OT law books and boy are blessed to be out of that stuff. You are correct however that even the law was easier to keep than the demand of Jesus that we should Love or Neighbor as we do ourselves. Clearly as this list shows we have all kinds of neighbor's out there. Worse yet the internet and message boards have widen our neighbor pool has it not? This country is deeply divided on many issues but all "turn" on selfishness. What is best for me. The American culture of independence and rights and self
achievement become a pathway for looking at our own interest ahead of our neighbors. To justify this self centered life we find "something wrong" with those that do not meet up to our standards and we also look down on those who achieve above us thus leaving "us" alone where we stand. Our form of class system is rooted using capitalism or achievement as the measure of a person worth.
I fear nothing is further from the Kingdom of God than this way of living. The word says so over and over again as those who Love this world and the things of it can not enter the Kingdom of God. Loving our neighbor as hard as it may be is the ONLY pathway to the Kingdom of God. God's grace and mercy may cover some or all of our failure to achieve this but clearly the command is correct and it is we who fail who are wrong.
The religious right is against abortion as am I. Where is their voice concerning the children who come into this country alone? If God has sent these kids to the US or allows them to come are they not surely our new neighbors? Funny I looked but could not find legal or illegal neighbor in the word only neighbor.
Stay healthy Bob
scs Me feel guilty? Not at all. Unlike you I vote for folks who are for National Health Care single payer plan, unlike you I do not cry and whine about paying taxes to feed, cloth and house children and poor, unlike you
I admit that I am totally PRO LIFE while you seem only to care about life in the womb.
I do and will continue to support any SS and Medicare that provides for the poorest of USA folks. Yes even if (and it will) cost me more money. I value life over money and that is nothing to feel guilty about. You however post after post show that life to you not as important as assigning a value to life based on net worth.
To hide your lack of concern for the poor you try to point a finger at me. Don't you have the guts to stand up for what you believe? Either you are a man of principles right or wrong or you are merely selfish hiding behind some Lie to avoid your guilt.
SS as I said was for food, cloths and shelter and Medicare for health care and I support both and so did the great majority of Americans when the Demo party got them passed as the GOP worked against them as they still do. Americans used to have compassion. That seems to be changings as we can expect in the end of times. Doctors used to work on credit or take anything in trade and most hospitals were Christian ran charity and profit with none turned away. Capitalism saw the wasted money in health care and doctors and hospitals became great capitalist and less healers.
Goldy ask what happened before SS. Folks died even in a country that was 50% rural and even when families took care of their own more still too many old died of hunger. Averages are fine but they are based on the fact that some did live over 65 and receive SS and that is who it was directed toward. The most needed and oldest amoung us. To try to use averages to distort the truth as Grump tried is to deny that lots of old folks over 65 died before SS.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
SCS you need to realize that in the real world a accident like I had without treatment will end a workers life.
Your idea of all this private money flowing in is hard for me to believe you actually believe in what you say.
SS was created to furnish money for food and housing, clothes and fuel for the old as RED CROSS and other private charities had FAILED. Medical cost are more on seniors than mere living cost. My injury cost will cost more than 7 years of SS retirement payments will be and that does not consider other medical cost I will have as I grow older. Living is the real problem SCS. Had I died my insurance co. would of liked that.
The hospital and Docs not so much SS would of saved a lot. However my life even if untreated was not in danger. But with a lot of people who have no insurance or Medicare lives are in danger.
SCS what you actually need to realize is your suggesting that those with no insurance or Gov help should be left to die. Oh you say charities or church and are not honest in admitting that one illness or accident can cost 100,000 easy. So again the real issue is not health care cost or insurance or Gov. but what value you put on the life of a human being. Or as in my injury the life quality of a human being as many illness or injuries if left untreated will end productive life of ones who have no insurance or Gov.
I do not value a life on how much it cost me in tax dollars to keep someone alive or working and have a life.
I know that this list alone says very clearly that the majority on here do not consider themselves to be their neighbor keeper. The cost in humanity if we had no SS or Medicare or Gov help would be staggering and 3rd world inhuman. If that is the best the USA can do and its people want to do then that is the way the country will go. But a part of human nature which I think more valuable than money will go with it.
Will not be posting too much most has been said and disagreed on anyway.
FRO stuff first. Yes I still hold my position in FRO and will continue to as long as Middle East is a mess.
I hope folks have noticed the day rates for VLCCF's & Suezmax? Some on this list seem to think middle east has little to do with rates but anyone who can read the rates history will see that rates went up when Middle East started its current FUN FOR ALL. Yes MM boys played the share price up a lot but the middle east is holding it up. I also bought some NAT as well.
I see some post about health care with SCS coming out being a libertarian and against all Gov help. He seems to think that private charity and other sources can afford what is driving the Gov broke. Here is what is wrong with SCS thinking or at least some of what is wrong. 5 seconds is all it took for me to incur what will be a min of $100,000 dollars in medical cost. I have insurance and medicare. My insurance has a 5,000 out of pocket limit for me so I will spend over 5,000 grand but less than 10,000 on my accident injuries. SCS wants to end Medicare so all who are old and have no insurance are depending on the goodness of others to pay for their healing. Sorry but I have not seen a lot of goodness on this list.
Laying on the road with my leg at the knee at an odd angle and not being able to get up started why I have been away from this board. I have two operations so far stayed in hospital for 2 weeks and can not put any weight or use my left leg for at least another 4 weeks. If I worked I would be out for at least 6 months.
EMS came and took me to a hospital not knowing if I had money or insurance or medicare. The hospital a rural one took Xrays and arranged for a transfer to Dallas Hospital where my knee could be treated. By then they knew I had insurance no part B medicare. The rest of Hospital stay and two surgeries were on me and my insurance & Medicare part A. Without insurance or medicare no surgery and a cripple with a ruined knee Cont
scs you are correct that a fleet of ships under American Flag is indeed a security issue. WWII was won because of the merchant marine of the USA. The building of liberity ships and the movement of goods from the US to England and Russia keep them both from falling to Germany.
All you have to do is look at how long it took GH &GW Bush to "GET READY" for war and how long they talk it takes to "remove troops" from the middle east and you can see how not having a fleet has changed things.
How many US Corp's own and operate ships that bring goods to the US and send them out of the US and fly foreign flags for the purpose of cutting down on labor cost and other US requirements of US flagged vessels all of which MUST PASS a US Coast Guard inspection as YOU should know being a former US Coast Guard.
I do indeed favor returning to US FLAG vessels for American owned corp's. Some nations sole purpose appears to be to FLAG ships and has more ships than registered in that Nation than private planes.
You have been on board ships and maybe even tankers or freighters. I have been on all types of ships and you can tell the difference between a US flagged ship and a foreign one (except some EU ships) in a heart beat. Most pets in America live in better conditions than crews on many foreign flagged ships.
I am not saying there should be a standard all should have to follow I am saying that the standard that a US ship has to meet is one reason that so many are foreign flagged. Save me the safety is the same on them all since being CG you know better than that. Cheap labor in shipping is as much the goal of why foreign vessels are used but now with better ships and less labor being required it is a nice tax dodge as well and of course safety issues.
The eco recession of 07-08 and the slow recovery caused the start of the decline in rates and greed to build more to make more which still lives has hurt as well. They act like selfish children.
Lake I guess if Bergdahl went on mental disability then you would hate him?
Obama BLEW it with this exchange on the surface. There could be more reason for what was done but on the surface to deal with terrorist and deal 5-1 is NOT a good deal.
We do of course "deal" with terroriist all the time it just does not ever come to lite. It is not the dealing that bothers me but who was dealt and how many. Bush got us in the situation with detaining "terrorist" in Cuba. Now many of them have been there for years and it has HARDENED their hatred of the USA not soften it at all. Obama could of let these five go as soon as he came to office if he views them not dangerous along with many others. Obama inherited a mess and did nothing to change it and if the GOP wins in 2016 thier guy will inherit the same mess. There is no good way to deal with the "terrorist" who have been held without any type of trial for in some cases over 8 years. As a nation I do not know how under our laws we can do this and I am sure that is one reason these terrorist are kept out of the country. I doubt the Supreme court would touch any case on them with a 10 foot pole.
The whole situation goes under the title of STUFF HAPPENS and sometime the STUFF is not p pretty.
If Bergdahl is a CIA plant or other type spy the trade may of been necessary but baring that it was a bad trade.
I am not like the right wing or the left when it comes to screw ups. Both parties and ALL presidents make them. The truth serves best as painful as it may be.
Obama made a decision on this so it is HE that fades the heat of it being right or wrong.