grump I see your having a hard time trying to deal in facts with a right winger. You see suggp beieves somehow that Brexit was about an wage difference and that it was a rich against poor dispute. He actually seems to be taking the side of the poor against the rich in the UK I suppose but back here in the States he votes for the party that panders to the rich and refuses to raise the min wage. Careful grump or he will be calling you a drunkard liberal next lol. Don;t worry grump I know you are not either one but darn if I say anything nice about you that will only make you more a liberal in their eyes. Oh well the only safe way is to try not to confuse them with facts.
samps I share my opinion with anyone who has the intelligence to exchange ideas. Some are hot heads like you and just as ignorant but none has threatened me or done anything but disagree with me. You see samps most of the people I talk too know me where you do not. The first thing a wise man learns to do is know as much about his opponent as he can and then you can understand where they are coming from and what to expect from them. They may not agree with me but we tend to agree to disagree. Sometimes we even agree that there is no need to engage each other in further conversations. People who can not win a debate and turn to insults and Lies or such people that I choose not to be around because they generally go beyound the issues being debated and try to get as personal as they can towards the other person. That is the kind of person you are. Without a valid thing to say, no facts to stand on so that leaves you only personal insults. Poor samps his committee let him down and exposed them and him for the idiot they were. They and you backed yourself into that corner. Had the committee said nothing except we are only after the facts about what happened at Benghazi and nothing more then they could of released their report and said what they said but instead they almost daily were on Fox news and anywhere else that would have saying HC did this or that and Obama did this or that. In the end it was shown to be lies made before facts were examined and now they have egg on their face but they put themselves in that situation. Now time to face the music of not being able to back up what the talked. Same goes for you only you too stupid to shut and still tell the same lies that they told. You don't care about the facts you just want to believe anything bad about HC that you can come up with. Face it samps your the only one believing your own lies now well maybe rje and buster what a three ring circus you clowns are.
buster, rje and diggler are fine closed minded bigots and all DT supporters as they think DT shares their thoughts. Buster wants HC put to death for the crime of being what he does not like. rje and diggler see a cover up that eluded that great GOP house committee totally but rje knows all about this conspiracy and cover up even though now 3 committees of Congress all GOP led have fund nothing. rje should be leading a committee instead of posting on this mb I suppose the great man of truth and unbias that we all know him to be. diggler throws as many insults as he can not at HC since he has nothing to throw at her but at me for rubbing his face in the Truth of the failed attempt by the GOP to find HC involved in anything wrong in Benghzi. Not one LIE did they find that HC has spoken not one. LIve with it boys you failed
This is the Truth that was known from the start as expressed by Ambassador Stevens Sister and spokesman for their family "“The Benghazi mission was understaffed,” she continued. “But, again, Chris knew that. It wasn’t a secret to him. He decided to take the risk to go there. It is not something they did to him. It is something he took on himself.” Ambassador Stevens was a brave man who took his job to a level that risked his life and he paid that price serving His Country. He and those that died with him should be remember by what they died trying to achieve not boiled in some right wing hate HC campaign.
The men that died fell serving their country and no one failed them the failure was in those that killed them to honor and respect human life. Something rje, buster and diggler might want to learn some day as well. They only love and respect those that agree with them and others they Lie, insult and demean just the same sort of behavior and lack of concern about humanity that those who murdered those American's felt about anyone different from them.
suggp finally the TRUTH sunk into your brain "Hillary wasn't responsible" Took the GOP 7 million dollars to figure that one out.
vpsqdrn you and I also rarely agree on too much but the few times we have we both acknowledge it just as you did to dakine and you are right why anyone would put a thumbs down is in fact how much hate their is on this board. If the person posting is on the right or left those in those sides must agree or disagree based on loyality to left or right thinking and not what the person said. I have agreed with you before and Grump and scs all of you are on the right and I have Lake on ignore and he is on the left. Each post should be supported or rejected based on context not the left or right of the person who wrote it.
This board is a bolder projection of our current society. We on here say and act as we are restrained from doing in person as we are not engaging withing the setting of civilized society or what passes for it today but can hide alone in our darkest of places and say things that society would find not suitable for public discourse by most anyway.
God alone knows the heart of man but on this board we come a lot closer to revealing our hearts than we do in public. Those who gave dakine a thumbs down did so because of his name and nothing more. They are used to giving him thumbs down automatically. Nice to see you breaking ranks as we all should feel FREE to do.
samps you are a racist, a homophobic and a Liar. You can not deal with FACTS that Your boys in the House had to put out. HC and Pres Obama were not found to be even accused of doing anything wrong. Like you the house committee was ALL TALK and Lies. Like you they hide behind the protection "House Amunity"
They being Congressmen cant be sued for their lies and treatment of people before them just as you set behind your computer and mouth off about slapping someone. The only Bitoch I see is you sucking on a gun barrel in the deep woods of WI talking trash.
One bit of truth we owe each other "BUDDIES WE ARE NOT" Nor do we want to be.
Why don;t you prove me wrong? List ONE thing that is claimed by your beloved committee to come back on the President or HC. Why don't you read those 1900 pages and see if you can find one thing. But surely if they had ANYTHING at all like you claim or want to believe it would be found in the first 10 pages if not page one.
Put up or shut up show me what you got list what you claim or just bark at the moon some more. SHOW ME THE FACTS?
tsobie the dow jones is still down 300pts from where it was and the pound is down and the brit banks have taken a bath so I would say in general your wrong. I will agree as of now we have a got a nice bounce back and I personally have made 5% of what I bought at lower prices with FRO being my biggest winner money wise and ERF % wise my biggest winner. However just as in the Global Warming debates a day or a week does not a trend make. The Brits have yet to form a Gov and Nothing has changed since before the withdraw and no one you or I included knows what the new UK and the EU will do in trade issues. Scotland will leave is my bet and frankly that will be a mess to work out as the SCOT both have paid into the social net of the UK and gets money out of it so what do you do with that? Be llike Texas voting to leave the union and the US stopping all SS and Medcare payments to Texas regardless of earned or not. I suppose all those on Gov programs could MOVE and still get their money. Grump has said that 8% of the UK rev comes from Scotland oil money a "FACT" I have not checked but take and the loss of 8% revenue to a budget already in trouble in the UK or the US would be a HUGE problem.
The withdraw from EU has a lot of issues that must be worked out and if Scotland leaves they you are really getting into a bigger mess. Before this happened I thought Scotland would be silly for leaving the power of the UK but given that the UK has decided to do exactly that with the EU then Scotland leaving UK to join the EU itself makes a lot more sense than it did when they voted to stay in. Whatever thier issues were with the EU a wiser way to handle it would of been to sit down and talk about it instead of taking your ball and going to your house except the UK had no ball the EU has the ball. They did not trust Cameron and the Conservative Gov to sit down and work things out with the EU but like a child jumped up and ran away. So be it.
diggler so now that "WE" have the HC emails "WE" are spending millions more investing that
which will end up with the same NOTHING that this waste of money ended up with.
I blame the demo for this since when they had the house and Senate they refused to go after GOP idiots for all the WMD lies and the Lets rat out our enemy wife as a CIA operative. The Demo do not know how to go for the throat and teach a pack of dogs what it means to heel.
The Senate report found the same issues with the military response but actually investigated it more since it would be of more interest to actually finding something that did need changing instead of holding press conf. daily crying HC did this or did not do that like this bunch of mad dogs conducted their business. The shame is they drag innocent people before them and humiliate them, be discourteous to them like McCarthy taught them to do and then hide behind "CONGRESSIONAL AMUNITY" to keep from getting sued. They have NO SHAME just as McCarthy had none. At least he was a totally drunk afraid of the mere mention of the word commie these guys are just cheap political hacks playing politics.
BTW The Senate Committee (GOP as well) gave the military a clean bill of health for their action in this matter. Which means that One GOP committee or another is full of #$%$.
They FAILED BIG TIME to put ONE THING on HC. If they had even a pointing finger much less a smoking gun they be FOX non stop bla bla bla but NOTHING is what they found NOTHING.
AND YOU KNOW IT or your a FOOL which is it?
ho hum another GOP witch hunt bites the dirt as nothing that was found that was not known with a week of the thing happening. The only thing the GOP has done is prove that the Administration at first said it was caused by a video which we already knew. Wow that was worth 7 million bucks and all the time and all the BS that went with it. Benghazi was a dangerous place wow again knew that. I also knew that the Ambassador was told it was dangerous to go and advised not to go but HE WENT. HE was NOT SENT. HC did not order him to go or others to go with him sorry GOP didn't happen. When the #$%$ hit the fan the military failed to react in a timely manor says the GOP. The other committees all GOP committees that looked into Benghazi does not agree with that conclusion so believe what you want. But HC does not run the military The fact that the GOP claims that response was slow and confused shows only that IF it happened SOMEONE had order the military
NOT that the SOMEONE did TIMELY ISSUE the order to respond but that the response was slow. IF TRUE that is a problem within the military not the State Dept or the White house.
Again the GOP attack dogs for only political purposes come up empty handed. Not ONE WIFF of smoke in HC direction. Too bad boys but it was all about politics anyway as the GOP even admitted in a moment of truth telling.
dakine it is not what the mad dogs of the GOP will do to health care that bothers me nor the tax cuts to the rich,nor doing away with the death tax. They will build their wall and then have to hire thousands to support it. But the thing that I fear is how the nut jobs will cut the budget to drastically reduce the debt. Given more tax cuts, Defence spending remaining the same, the wall started at least, so they cut the social saftey nets, do nothing on min wage and with changes to health care throw the burden of the uninsured back into the ER rooms of hospital rooms and medicade which they will try to make harder to get. The attack on the poor will be total war to pay for tax cuts to rich. A drop in Federal spending of 3% is about all a total war on the poor can do so they will go after EPA, OSHA, Dept of Ed. SS and even medcare will be attacked as well and with no added cost to the rich who sponge off it. They will have only 2 years to screw things up because the first election after they take total control they will lose the Senate at least and 2 years later the white house.
Lots of damage will be done in those 4 years and the eco will be in recession and the stock market will lose a lot of value. I do not fear any NEW wars as we can't fight the ones Bush started and left unfinished but they will spend as much as they can on new weapons and cut as much from the VA as a sleeping public will allow them to do. DT can do NOTHING to stop Muslims from comming into the country as the courts will CRUSH him. He can build his wall but he will not finish it as the budget will demand more money for other pork barrels. Abortion might be thrown back into the states laps. Illegals would remain as safe as they are now as the GOP can work no magic into finding them and deporting them. The children of the poor will suffer the most as they will go after food stamps and Aid to dependent children hard. But fear not DT can not win lol.
dakine right now I view FRO as a dividen driven investment. The odds are very good that they will pay a dividend of .25 or greater next quarter and one the next 2 or 3 after that. So a buck off the price is what your risking and the demand for oil will go up not down unless the world goes into a recession which give the cheap price of oil and labor and the rich getting richer that does not seem in the near future. All bets are off if the GOP wins everything in 2016 and it would be a time to flee the markets. The UK thing will slow down growth in the UK and could cause a recession depending on how stupid they really get but the rest of the EU will grow slower but grow.
All that to say at the price of FRO today much yet yesterday I think it would be hard to lose when the next quarter results come out. A steal at 1.57 or 7.88 IMHO.
oropan almost as laughable as your post. Our military presence in EU countries is because of our own self interest and not for their benefit. Are you going on record as being against NATO? Do you a right wing GOP boy want to cut the militery budget by getting out of NATO? How about out of S. Korea and Japan? IF we did that we could cut the budget for the militery by what 1% or maybe 2% down to 20% of our budget cost?
I will agree with you that we should do that and since we keep the country of Israel alive with all the money and arms we give her we can use her as a place where our wounded are taken not to German as they now are. Why fly to Germany and risk the long flight when closer "ALLIES" countries are nearer?
IF N. Korea attacks S. Korea China will not be involved in that so let the two Korea fight it out. Last man standing wins. S. Korea has millions of men who make cars and ships and other things that are sold to US markets that could be in their militery instead of taking American Jobs in what they now make. Let them pay and fight their own war for "FREEDOM". Japan same thing except more so. Let them arm themselves but who would get to them? We have a navy between them and N. Korea and again China could care less about Japan.
Now how much of Europe or the old USSR does Putin and Russia now want back? How much do we need Nato? So far it has given us support in Mr. Clinton winning Balkan war (you do remember the last war America actually won under Mr. Clinton YES?) and also France and NATO pushed for war with Lybia which we supported. Let Germany arm herself again or do we still fear Her? What more to scare the Russian than a strong and dangerous Germany to their flank.
Dont worry oropan your safe over here thanks to our navy but not due to your assault weapons. The assault weapons will only be needed for defense IF America goes into civil unrest war due to class warfare which I think has a better chance that WWIII.
Want a war hero? "ADAMS, LUCIAN (1922–2003). Lucian Adams, Medal of Honor recipient and son of Lucian Adams, Sr., and Rosa (Ramírez) Adams, was born in Port Arthur, Texas, on October 26, 1922. The Adams family consisted of nine brothers and three sisters. Eight of his brothers served in World War II, and all returned home safe after the war. Lucian Adams attended Webster and Franklin elementary schools in Port Arthur as well as Thomas Jefferson Junior High School but dropped out of high school to help support his family. " I knew his son Lucian Jr. No one knew his dad was a war hero from him and I learned about it later (30yrs) when the city named a road after him. The city named a bigger more used road after Jimmy Johnson around the same time some hero he was.
Mr. Adams is one of 27 Hispanic's who have won the medal of honor. Neither Mr. Rangle or Cunningham received that high an honor but both served their country while at war with honor. Both have brought shame on themselves in later life.
Millions of hispanic's have fought for the US during its history as a nation and on both sides in Civil War as well. Hispanic's even fought on the side of Texas against Mexico. Many of them sons and daughters of illegals who could not even speak English. I have security backgrounds on several who were serving.
No I didn't call the Border Patrol to have their mother arrested. Thousands of illegals have buried their children when they were killed fighting for the US military and will continue to do so. I am not for being at the funeral to deport them when they bury their dead either.
The TRUTH is America would not be the same if not for the illegals from South who came into this country and gave more to it than they ever took. They deserve some respect for that in my book but not in the book of others I am sure. To give a child to a country you are not legal in is still a huge sacrifice and I say Thank you for Loss to our country.
dakine those with a political agenda do not care what they say to win their agenda. In UK the people who will get hurt the worse are the ones who voted to leave as it was older people in rural area's that turned out to vote. In the US it is the under educatied white male who works for a w-2 who is against raising the min wage even though such a wage raise would give them a raise as the price of labor would indeed increase upward rather you make whatever the min wage ends up being or not the pressure from the min wage increase would push up wages of the lower income earners of which most of the white males who vote GOP live.
There is no cure for stupid. Even in states like kentucky and W. Virginia where the white males are unemployed and the ones working at working at low wages and more white males get Gov handouts than minority males but still the white males vote GOP and cut their own throats. This is found in all areas of the south where being white demands that you vote for a party different from the poor minority votes for. There may be no difference in the eco condition of the two males but one thinks it beneath him to admit he needs the same help from his Gov that the minority male needs. That bigoted outlook has been used for years to exploit the white male into voting against his own best interest. Some how a white male working for 10 bucks an hour believes he is better than a minority working for the same 10 bucks. Once the Gov said they were and could pay a white more than a black but those days are gone except in the minds of those white males who have failed in all areas of life to rise above their up bringing and have only the color of their skin to see them superior to a person of color or a women. Brits seem to have caught the stupid bug.
oropan you have a site for all that do you or are we suppose to believe just as you seem to believe it lol.
Kris went on to add "freedom was easy when it was me and Bobby McGee". Women and freedom both have their appeal until the realities of life set in upon us all. Funny those that hail "Freedom" have no use for Hippie life style which was the ultimate "Freedom". Free love, free dope, free living, all because of lack of responsibilities. The path to true Freedom is what the word of God says of it not what those who worship the US Const thinks it means. Few on this list has ever read to find out what Freedom is considered in the Kingdom of God nor are they interested in doing what the word says must be done to receive it.
It is not won at the ballot box or by numbers in a bank account nor by an assault weapon or a militery nor is it protected by a earthly Gov efforts.
Nothing to lose and why would that be freedom?The word says why and Mr. Kristoffersen being a Rhodes Scholar in English had done a little reading in his day.
If you reject the Word of God idea of Freedom and instead look only to doings of mankind upon this earth they are many forms and ways of viewing this word Freedom. Being a slave in chains or no chains comes with a degree of lack of ability to choose and do what is wanted but only do what is demanded. A man with a wife and family who has the responsibility of supporting that family will find his chooses restricted as well and will have to do whatever the provider he works for ask of him if not he can leave that provider and go sell himself to another who will yet more requirements to be followed. If you are free you can lay around and do nothing and depend on others to care for you or starve to death but even that has restrictions of its own does it not?
Is any one really free? I do not think so. Very overrated,never achieved and varies in definition. True freedom is defined by the demands of everything else upon the man who wants to find freedom.
Tell you children your freedom is more important than they are if you dare.
congrats scs I never can hit the high or low but I got in at over a buck less than I sold for so now we all wait.
It will take a while before the Brit move settles down and I suspect it will the quarter before we have a chance to make any good money on our buys unless something happens in Middle east to shoot up rates.
I decided to get in because I think the dividend will be at lowest .25cents which will be over 13% worse comes to worse. Its only money not like something important so shoot the dice.
I do not believe what the brits did will trigger another 2008 fall in markets but it did put a stop to any hope of a good last half of the year. US eco job market and growth not hurt that bad but the Brits will do very well so I wouldn't be buying any Brit stocks especially banks as Barclay is taking big hits. Oil must move and soon it will be Scotland shipping it on Euro not English pound when they leave the UK. down the road but the road is paved and ready. FRO high for year? 9 bucks?
dakine I am sure your joking as NATO would have to split up and fight itself. However the effect of the eco of UK and Europe not to mention our own stocks make it harder to pay the NATO bills and the USA pays most of them.
The old joke about two Cajuns Bordeaux & Tibodeaux comes to mind but now is two Brit boys.
Bordeaux got annoyed that Tibodeaux always greeted him a slap to chest knowing he keep his cigars in his chest pocket thus ruining his cigars. Bordeaux finally had enough of Tibodeaux and put some dynamite sticks in his pocket as was bragging to all who could hear how he was going to blow Tibodeaux dax hand off.
It seems that the older Bordeaux are going after all those young Tibodeauxs and I think they just might blow his hand off as planned. Thinking through something was never Bordeaux strong point was on his grave stone. With the vote the UK lost Scotland and its oil taxes to the UK treasury which helped all those old farts get their Gov checks and free meds. But they showed by Golly no body pushes them around.
The French revolted against the King and went into the bloodest period of their history waring with all of Europe and the Britst for almost 20 years and millions died but they showed the King. Being dead is better than being under a King I suppose but seems to me like they still took orders just Napoleon instead of guy wearing a wig. We will not go into into how Hitler got the Germans all worked up over National pride and the price they paid for that move. History does repeat itself.
The power of trade and the British Navy built the UK into a real kingdom as they exploited every nation they ever controlled. You right wingers surely can't disagree with that since the American Rev. was about just that.
The rich in America did not want the King to get their money so they rebelled.
Why did England engage in Trade? Island nation might be a clue. They need trade to feed and provide an eco for their island nation. History shows this and it has not changed. England always did best when they traded in peace with Europe and other nations and alway accepted the upper class rich of those countries into English schools and society. The decline of the UK happened when they one nation after the other broke free of the UK and then entered into their world of trade and laws such as India, S. Africa and Aussie land and the US of course. Now what is left of the UK decides they no longer need peaceful trade agreements with nations of Europe for preferred treatment amoung EU members. History I think might give a clue how this will work out for the Brits down the road. Scotland will leave that is almost a sure thing. But then Eng will wake up and labor Gov will take over and beg the EU to let them back in. Or they can remain stupid and find out how it is to live on a island and have to trade without agreements for what you need to keep your ls land going. If Scotland goes there goes the oil. Back to coal? or Nuke? Sad but shows just how much fear distorts reality. A trade pact being seen as an immigration fear. Go figure.