VPS I know who Mr. Sekelow is as I told you I get mail from him. I didn't say anything bad against him merely said that he uses events like this to send a letter and in the letter he ask for money to defend these folks nothing wrong with that as you have a choice to give or not.
I also posted what I had found on Wiki which most people consider a fair place to get info. What I posted on the spelling you used for this Pastor and me not being able to find him was the truth rather you like it or not.
I suppect that the guy I found is the same guy you mean since he was released. Was your guy released?
This guy has a wife and two kids in the US does yours. I am not trying to provoke on any of this but for some reason you think I am. You blamed HC and the SD for this pastors and other treatment in Iran in your first post and I pointed out that HC was in office when two of the 5 released were taken and one was taken under GW Bush. That is not meant to attack you but to merely state that HC had nothing to do with their treatment just as she had nothing to do with their release.
Once again you seem very upset about what I posted. I do not know nor do you that the people held by Iran was tortured or not. I suspect their treatment was not up to US treatment of prisoners but again I do not know if they got any special treatment good or bad. I will wait till I hear from those released.
You must know that the US SD warns people not to go to Iran when these men all went. They say that they can not help them if they get in trouble as No diplomatic relationship exist between the US and IRAN.
Why each went they have their reasons but I can not blame the SD or the US Gov for their advise not being followed. I do not blame GW Bush for the one guy getting arrested and spending over 8 years in Iran prison.
You seem to be the one who losses his emotions and control . Posting Wiki as source to my information is not an insult to you. Do not understand why you view it as such.
rami the 50,000 you bought 3.40 cost 170,000 when bought. The stocked to 2 bucks and split 5-1 leaving you with 10,000 shares worth 100,000 as the value of the stock when split went up 5 times or to 10 bucks a share. Do you see that? You will not have 10,000 at 2 bucks but 10,000 at 10 bucks.
Now if the stock goes up to from 10 bucks to 15 bucks you have 150,000 or a lose of 20,000. If the stock then goes up to 17.00 you have 170,000 which is break even. You need it to go above 17 bucks to make money on the split. We are disagreeing on the price of the stock but you somhow believe that a double is not possible. You are assuming that the strike price of the RS will be 2 bucks which may or may not be correct.
As I said before the rates and dividend will determind how much this stock sells for in 6 month or a year even. I have seen it go from under 2 bucks to over 5 bucks and lately from 2 to 3 so yes a double is possible. You would at 2 bucks need a 70% increase not a 100 to break even and that not counting the dividends that will paid out. The .05 dividend will go up to .25 at least. For those not in at the 3.40 figure now is a great time to buy. For those that are in that number they will have to hope that rates drive the stock higher. Say you buy today at 2 bucks. One year from now you have got a buck in dividends thus your risk is a buck. What part of that do you not like?
VPS I get letters asking for money from Mr. Sekelow at least twice a year. I only said the truth and it was him or organization that got the pastor released. Mr. Sekelow has not been to Iran and he has sent you a letter about this pastor Hassed and in that letter asked for money did he not?
You don't care what Wiki says? I at least post where you can find out information about this pastor that was released. If you guy has not been released then it must be two different people. Why don't you do a search for the way you spelled his name and the way I spelled it and see what you get? I found nothing under Pastor Hassed on my search. Why don't you post a site on Hassed where I can look him up? I only posted what Wiki has there were other sites as well on the guy. I searched Pastor Hassed captured in Iran and got only the paster that wiki and other sites showed so please show me where you got your information on this Pastor Hassed? Is that asking too much.
I for the life of me can't figure out the rage coming out of you from my post. I merely quoted what wiki has on their site. You go into a rant and judgmental rage that folks like bread will judge me for I guess.
I also was honest about my struggle for patience and it is listed in the word as a gift of the fruit of the Holy Spirit but I guess you claim to be perfect in that gift as well?
You know VPS you go ahead and judge me if somehow you think that makes you even more a perfect Christian and my "displays on this mb" have not only been mine but you are guilty as well but I guess I can admit my mistakes while you get your need for righteousness by pointing your oh so perfect fingers at me.
God will judge us all and I am sure we all will need Grace have any righteousness.
Lake you have called almost everyone on this board a Liar and worse so save me your protest.
I will ask this board IF ANYONE BELIEVES you on this first class statement you made after you had "Quoted" your cousin.
They are other on here who are not believers lets see if any will say they believe you. That instead of telling of your own experience first you chose to start with this "Cousin" of yours then added your self as proof it does happen. I was a cop for 27 years and telling when people are lying goes with the job. You Sir are a really really Bad Liar.
But lets see who on this board might believe you?
daily if your referring to me in your post you do have some truth in what you say. And of those on this board who are believers I guess I am the only one that does this. If we call ourselves Christians then who and what are examples on how to live? If not Jesus who? If a bible verse is posted are we not to do what the Beren brothers did and search the scriptures daily? Every letter Paul wrote was to Christian to correct them and point out what Jesus taught instead of what they doing or who in error they were following.
Was that wrong? I agree I often violate the spirit of peace in how I post and have admitted this before.
Have you? Has VPS? I have caused no division as you accuse me of doing for the division was there and I merely by my post took the other side of the division. You and VPS have not changed one thing you believe as a result of what I post so how could I cause division? I would like for you to show me where I have called the "right" racist? or stupid or gun freaks. I have pointed some who have "right views" as racist when they post on this board. It is fair for you to disagree and point out that you think I am wrong when I do this but you by what you posted are making a broad and incorrect statement about what I post. I own guns and have never said I am for taking away guns from lawful owners but I do point out the price in blood we pay for loving our guns by National Crime figures. You may not like that I post such things but I have never seen you challenge the figures I refer to as not being true.
I am far to oftin very poor example of doing what I say and again I never claimed to be perfect just saved by grace. I do indeed have a lot of flesh in me and when I hear someone who wears the Lord Jesus Christ name doing what you point out I do I often challenge them. I do not always turn the other cheek but I should. Do you always turn the other cheek or do you do not think we should?
Or do you think we should say nothing at all about it?
Lake oh you think American children are more important to give your money too that a child in Africa or Asia?
Why is that? Oh I see you are an American so that makes you special does it? Sorta what some claim about God making this country special isn't it?
No I do not believe you about you cousin or your first class claims either.
Well traveled first class are you lol and missionaries just flock around you to confess how they are taking others money to ride first class with you? Not only are you a Liar but your are a bad liar. A terrible Liar in fact.
If you come from "great Apes" or Monkey's I have to wonder when and how the evolution from them to you included the need to Lie? You see the bible teaches us that Lying like all sin comes from the devil and our flesh is weak, selfish and demands attention so we Lie to feed our needs. I doubt any Ape ever needed to do that and they do not today so just how is it that we are so evolved if our character is so controlled by the need to be important and right and lying becomes just a means to accomplish that?
Gee Trump said we made a bad deal that is a shocker lol. Hello the man is running for President of the GOP party of hardliners what else could he say even IF he believed it was not a good deal.
The men we released were being held for violations of the sanctions that were in place and they are all Iranians so they were merely doing for their country the best they could and got caught doing it. The violation that they were being held for or charged with is no longer against the law. It would be like keeping a bootlegger in jail after prohibition was repealed.
But US taxpayers could still I suppose pay for the up keep of these men if Trump thinks it should of been done. Trump as a businessman knows that to get something you have to give something and that is exactly what Iran and the US did on this "trade". The sailors BTW did violate the current international law of entering a foreign nations waters without permission. Iran chose to accept the statement it was a mistake which frankly some on this board had a hard time believing me included and released the sailors.
I assume since the timing of the releases came one after the other that the deal was worked out all at once so we got our sailors back our ships back and the 5 held to release men who were guilty of breaking a sanction (law) that no longer applies by the treaty. It is clear that such releases were "under the table agreements" between the US and Iran and as time of the deal to happen gets very near the deal was done.
Wisdom prevailed not hot heads beating the drums of war.
VPS Here is what Weki has to say on this
"Saeed Abedini (Persian: سعيد عابديني, born 7 May 1980) is an Iranian American Christian pastor who was imprisoned in Iran. He was detained in Iran in the summer of 2012 and initially incarcerated in Evin Prison in September 2012. On January 27, 2013, he was sentenced to eight years in prison, reportedly on charges of undermining national security through private religious gatherings in Christian homes in Iran in the early 2000s. In November 2013, the Iranian government transferred Abedini to Rajai Shahr prison, just outside Karaj, Iran.
I found nothing about a Pastor named Haseed that you spoke of and this man was the only Pastor being held that was released.
Jay Sekelow has not been to Iran and he fund raises by such claims.
You the guy that posted this string on the MB not me and if it is a mix as you claim it is you not I that started it. Please stop your false claims about me doing what you clearly do with every post you make.
Patience is a gift of the Holy Spirit and one that most American do not know the meaning of much have.
Again you offer nothing but finger pointing on how displeased you are with how things were done by the US Gov. and offer nothing that you would of done different. The FACT is with Patience it worked the men are free and all alive. McCain spent more time in the Hanoi Hilton that this guy did in Iran and we now trade with Viet Nam instead of bombing them and dying over there. Patience is required instead of just demanding your way on every issue. Do you disagree that the timing of God was perfect in this or do you think God timing wad defeated by Iran?
dakine A nation does both public and private agreements when they work out a deal and clearly Iran and the US did make mutual agreements in the release of folks held by both Gov. I think it foolish to say that the release of the sailors and those held by Iran (all of whom went into Iran against the advice of the State Dept. if not illegally) was not a results of the treaty that was worked out.
Few treaties in history does both nation get all they want. For Iran they get a lot of money back and can move forward to improve the eco of their country. The only country in the Middle east right now with both Nuke power and the method to delivery them is Israel. I do not see them using them unless they were being attacked and losing the war and frankly I see no Nation in the Middle East now that is even a threat to Israel to do such a thing. Iraq has its own problems as does Syria. Jordan and Israel have good relationships and the terms of the Army and Gov of Egypt is focused on their own country and not Israel. ISIS had in fact made Israel safer than ever as it has forced old enemies to work against ISIS and therefore not look toward Israel. If we are to improve the lives and safety of the middle east it must be done by diplomatic means and not by war. Will Iran play fair and do as they promised? That I do not know but I am willing to try it instead of war or continued cold war and Iran working toward Nukes. The real danger has been and remains in Paki land where they do have Nukes and a system to deploy them and a lot of radical Islamic who have been more worried about India in the past but that could change very fast. For anyone to not understand the need for diplomacy in our world today I would only say what do you offer? Iraq being a perfect example of how GW Bush abandoned diplomacy and invaded a country that was not a treat to the US and was contained from other nations. Diplomacy at least gives peace a chance which to me is a lot better than death.
Mr. BS if you think ISIS will do all that then you put more power in their hands than I do. Who do you think would buy ISIS oil? In case you missed it ISIS is under attack in Iraq and Syria as they changed from a mostly gorilla operation and terrorist attacks to a group who tried to take and hold land. It has taken longer than it should of but today I see NO ISIS allies as even Russia is joining the west in attacking them.
Jordan, Iran, SA, Iraq and Egypt as well as Libya all fight ISIS. They can and will continue to export terrorism for generations to come into Asia but I believe they have seen the high tide of their power in the Middle East and N. Africa. It will be a long hard fight against this brand of Islam and I agree with the King of Jordan that Islam itself must clean out this brand of error within their religion. The King by the way is wanting to do more not less against ISIS in Syria and wants his Air Force to make more strikes and he is without a doubt the best ally the US has in this fight among Islamic countries. He is outspoken and extremely intelligent man and a hard critic of the ISIS and other brands of terrorist Islamic sects.
France remains the country that will have to lead the fight to straighten out Libya as they were the lead nation of NATO into the war that got rid of Mr. K and who ends up in control will very much depend on what France does. I do not see the day that France would allow ISIS to take that country over nor will the US for that matter regardless of who sets in the oval office. Time will tell for sure.
rami Your MATH is wrong for one thing.
You buy 10 shares for 3.40 that is 34 bucks you have 10 shares. A RS 5-1 lowers that to 2 shares.
Now those two shares would have to rise up to 17 bucks not 34 bucks as you seem to think. Will it is the question.
Depends on the rates and the dividend they are able to pay.
I see 20 as possible if rates stay high and the dividend payments will be returning money as well.
I will admit I never thought FRO would go back down to this level again but here it is. Once again I would advise you to buy at these prices. But I do hope your math improves.
VPS again you show how you are so eager to violate scripture when you without knowledge or any proof state that HC did nothing. You do know what has went on or who was involved in it yet you again speak evil of her. The word says do not do this and always assume the best of people yet you refuse to follow the word again.
The release of these men would not of happened if the diplomatic channels had not been opened by the treaty.
You of all people on this board who reads and quotes the OT so much should know that the timing of God belongs to Him and Him alone and we are told in both the OT and NT to be people of patience and not to falsely accuse. The pastor was held after HC had left the office and at least one of the others were as well. You do not have any knowledge of torture and abuse yet you post it as if it is the truth. Why do you not at least let the men return to tell their own story instead of you wanting to write it for them.
Anyone traveling to Iran during the time these men went into Iran did so after the State Dept had said American's should not do such. They refused the advise of the US Gov. and now you want to blame the US Gov for them being taken and held?
My friend who has gone to Syria and Paki land do so knowing that he is doing what is said to be unwise by his Gov (not the US) and accepts what happens to him as God's will just as Paul did when he went to Jerusalem after being worn by at least 7 prophets of what awaited him there.
One of the five was taken during the GW Bush time in office do I blame GW Bush for that or the US Gov. or the Bush State Dept? I do not.
You assume that all these 5 men were not spys but I am sure you think the 7 Iranians we held were spys or criminals of some kind as well as the other the FBI tool off the to be detained list.
These men were never tried of crimes, never went before a Grand Jury or any other "rights" the Const says they are entitled too. Both Nations do as they please.
Lake your still lying as usual. I never called Jewish people came from monkeys or monkeys as I do not believe human beings came from monkeys as you well know. So bang you caught again in yet another big fat LIE. I see you left out racist when you talked about the GOP this time was that a mistake this time or last?
Unfortunely I understand all too well what you mean in your post. You are disgrace to the name liberal and Sanders or HC would agree with me with all your lies and stupid name calling.
The truth is the GOP does enough women in the party to find one that might win as I think Nikki Haley would run better in the General than Cruz or Trump will but Ms F is a losser not because she is a women but because she is a loser as her record shows.
Thundersnow back in the old days doctors also worked on bills not cash or no service. You can die if you don't have insurance or cash as far as they are concerned. You have to have insurance and good insurance at that. I have Medicare and very good insurance and my wife had eye surgery with a lens that was not covered. I had to pay a grand at check in or she wasn't going to see out of that eye. Never mind they got paid thousands by Medicare and my insurance no grand no eye surgery.
I do not understand why American enjoy being treated like #$%$ by the health industry but they line up to vote for guys who will not even let them buy drugs from out of the country and save hundereds of dollars.
and insist that Capitalism is health care is the best way to go regardless that every other nations spends a lot less on health care and everyone is covered. You got to admit Americans are very stupid when it comes to insisting on getting screwed by health care cost.
Oh we have better facilities and doctors than "THEY" do is what is said. That may be true in a few areas and it may be true that some kinds of surgery may take a while to get but under socialized medicine all can get it and unless you are super rich you get as good as facilities and treatment as can 99% of Americans.
Our system has areas of the country where we also have doctor shortages in some areas of medicine the only difference between Canada and the US is Canada will fly a specialist to you if you can not be moved.
In the US you better be able to make it to a big city or else your screwed.
THE time is coming when American's will be forced to either wise up or be ready to die or go broke to stay alive.
scs Sanders IS the LIBERAL WING of the DEMO party and the left as you call it would love to see him run.
What does sex and skin color have to do with policy? You make a racist remark like that then you are going to deny you did it. Clearly calling the left racist or sexist. Takes one to know one is what I see.
Carson is toast amoung the GOP and is it because of his race? Just saying as Mr.BS says Carson was not ever leading in the good old red south now was he? Fiorina was insulted enough by Trump and she got fired from HP for what her great leadership did there. Now she attacks HC playing the House wife card lol.
Maybe she spent so much time with her hubby at home because she got fired and could not get a job or even win a state office. She and a few GOP type or the only ones who see her as having any value clearly the indies never liked her because not of her sex or her set around with hubby but because she never succeed at anything. Trump should of pointed that out instead of taking a cheap shot at her looks. But hey Trump is total Bully and cry baby what do you expect out of him or maybe he knows that looks count more to
GOP voters than does policies when it comes to their females. Nikki is looking better all the time and lets face it even nutty Alaska girl was a looker. So to run for the GOP you need to be a looker I guess.
Sexist maybe? Who knows.
thundersnow what is unbelievable is if any of your kids or wife or you have to go the hospital that 1,000 bucks a month will look like the smartest thing you ever did. Yes Insurance cost are too high but so are Medical cost. Drugs are also over priced with American's paying more for the same pill than do Mexicans and Canadians thanks to protection from the GOP of the Drug lobby.
If you choose not to carry insurance at your age you will be billed at over inflated bills from doctors, hospitals,
test you name it. Read any insurance statement you get and see the difference between what you are billed and what your insurance co. pays to settle their part of the bill. Then on most insurance policies you are left with the full cost (not what the insurance pays) as what you must pay if it is a not a PPO type agreement.
I blame both parties for what is going on in health care cost. A single payer plan with fixed charges like medicare pays is the only way you will see cheaper rates on your insurance or pay the Gov like you do for Medicare which you are paying for now and not using.
End the age 65 penality and go to a Gov ran single payer plan and ALL will pay the same and it will be cheaper. The medical boys will not have to write off any losses (which they love to do to shield their profit In bogus losses) Insurance companies could offer cheaper added benefits at way lower rates like they do now for folks with Medicare part B as primary. Only reason this is not done is none on GOP will vote for this.
Now who you going to blame? Its your money going down the drain and it will continue to do so until you turn 65 unless single payer takes over.
Lake Lake Lake how you do LIE.
So far the Demo's have nominated a women and both parties have had a women at #2 spot.
I can't think of a Jewish President on either party and the GOP did nominate a Mormon.
The GOP may have more racist in it than does the Demo's but the GOP platform has nothing in it that is racist.
So I guess your lying about them and me. You give Liberals a bad name you do realize that don't you?
So many post about how low oil meant more tankers in storage yet while oil dropped another 25% shipping rates plunged over 50% for VLCC. All shippers are down FRO more than most but all are down.
Just when does all this demand for storage kick in? Maybe they are using futures instead of storage as many have stored all the way down. VLCC and Suez rates are only 10,000 bucks apart right now so either Suez goes down or VLCC moves back up as the spread is a little out of balance where it is right now.
The problem in Iran got solved so fast the market did not even react to that situation. I think the price of oil today reflects the expectation of Iran oil entering the market and increasing the supply.
Mr. BS I see you didn't mention GW in your list of worse presidents? Or Nixon who was a criminal in office who was caught. Or RR who also was a criminal but had others fall on their sword for him.
Lets look at Carter Foreign Policy during his 4 years How many wars did we start or get into? Zero
How many friends that were enemies did Carter make? Jordan who remains one of the US closest allies in the war against ISIS, and against all of radical Islam and no tension between Israel and Jordan since Camp David. Egypt Under Sadat true friendship and trust between Egypt and the US. Not as much under Mubarak but Egypt Militery turned from Russian supplying it and training it to US and that remains in place today. Carter of man of faith did not engage in using dictators bribed by money or giving the WMD to do killing for the US like RR did in SA (Not WMD but guns to control the people) and the Middle East.
The fact that Iran took Americans as hostages but did release them without losing a person again was due to Carter leadership not RR as some claim. Carter NEVER rushed into a war of bad situation during his time in office like RR did in Lebanon and GW did in Iraq.
Only a fool would want the RR and GW Bush leadership in the middle east over the Carter leadership.
No other President before or since has made two allies out of enemies without beating them into submission.
The billions that would of spent by American taxpayers on the Canal rebuild and maintance while giving the Big Business of the world a free ride is just another sign of Carter's wisdom. His budget % wise and the National Debt given the hard times the US was in when he came into office is less debt % wise than GW Bush and RR both. So overall Carter was more conservative in his spending of US tax dollars than the GOP boys who came after him.
If you take off the Party glasses you will see Carter was in fact a leader in foreign policy and eco that the GOP only talks about doing.