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rogere1946 189 posts  |  Last Activity: 1 minute 32 seconds ago Member since: Feb 24, 2003
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    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 1 minute 32 seconds ago Flag

    Lake thanks for giving me a nice laugh. You are such a child and clearly you have no nutmegs at all.
    You now add "I demand an apology" to your right wing behavior. Yes indeed another right winger did indeed "demand" an apology. What a high self esteem you have of yourself of course someone who knows all there is to know about everything would believe themselves I suppose.

    I have said many times on this board that I do not drink yet you said to go have a drink. Be like me telling you to go say a prayer lol.

    If your not man enough to take a post that catches you at your child like behavior maybe you ought not play with the big boys? Now feel between your legs and find your nutmegs if you can and act like a man and be about your right wing style of post.

    Only a total idiot (are you really that?) would not know that evolution is based upon the concept of survival of the fittest and that getting ride of "INFERIOR" types within a species is the only way that "nature" or evaluation holds to the "LAW" that the species evolves and improves. Jesus says the only way "MAN" evolves is by loving your neighbor as yourself and loving God. Two beliefs with two very different LAWS.
    Hitler who was not a Christian as you have lied and said in the past (no apology demanded) did indeed believe in the SUPERIOR RACE and did his best to CULL as many Inferior races of mankind and build the great Aryan Race to rule forever. If that is a page out of evolutionism Law I do not know what could be clearer. You saw no mercy or compassion from the #$%$'s as they were about building the MASTER RACE.
    As some right wing Christian want to make laws and force behavior of what they think is Christian teaching on all because they believe it will be for the greater good (and they like it) so too did the #$%$'s think they were about the greater good. Jesus says to love the #$%$ sexual as yourself. Never would he not say hire one or abuse them. That is love.

  • Reply to

    who would gamble and buy more shares

    by rami36 19 hours ago
    rogere1946 rogere1946 21 minutes ago Flag

    rami I am already a gambler on FRO but I do think it a good time to gamble. Look at the rates for one thing and only peace and quite in the Middle east will ease the pressure on the rates since who can not see that is the cause of the higher rates? So the quarter will be a good one even with a loss given the positive spin that the rates will allow in the looking forward statement. Mr. F still works between FRO and SFL as we just saw so he has not thrown in the towel on FRO.

    The downside at 2.50 with an up side of over 4 in next year makes it not a bad bet. I think a low of 2 and a high of 6 in next year is more real but I limit the gain to 4 to be conservative (yes on money I can be conservative)

    The word is gamble. Do you have the nutmegs to put down your money to make the bet or not is the real question. If rates stay were they are for another 6 months FRO will have a nice cash build up to improve the balance sheet and with the middle a total failure or their normal self how can the rates drop as low as they were before the pick up? I think buying now is a very good gamble.

  • Reply to

    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 23 hours ago Flag

    Lake you have now crawled down to the lowest bottom rung of the ladder I see joing your right wing racist brother rje in saying I am a drunk. Lol you just can not stand anyone who disagrees with you can you.

    No defense of your so called survival of the fittest producing compassion and mercy? I understand how can you defend such a contrast of theories.

    Let me tell you how you can defend yourself since you seem to be unable to do so. evolution is for the betterment of mankind in the long run as it does cull out the weak and those that need help and thus drag down the gene pool. Jesus said love them and take care of them so He is anti mankind because he wants to put for Love as more important to mankind than culling out the weak.

    Any real anti God pro evolutionist as you claim to be should be able to say those things with pride.
    Kill off the weak or let them die who cares 50,000 years and we will be better off for such actions now. Love is not the answer and you should only care for the elite of the species to move it toward improvement.
    Seig Heil.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 23 hours ago Flag

    scs the left wing has always had crazy ideas I guess. They were against slavery, wanted women to have the right to vote, for child labor laws, for safe working conditions, all you right wing nut jobs were against those crazy ideas. If you are against abortion because you claim to be PRO LIFE then how can you be ANTI LIFE unless the life in question can pay for treatment? Careful how you hide behind a cross it could fall on you.

    I stayed in Hospital for 14 days and had 2 surgies done. Got the bill yesterday from Hospital it was 93,000 dollars. Now tell me how little Johnny or Sussie mom and dad can afford that without help from somebody.
    That was not the doctors bill either those are separate.

    You said you have not been sick or ill for a long time so you have not a clue how much it cost if you end up in hospital. This was a Baptist teaching Hospital as well and clearly for profit. If you had no insurance that would be your bill and what "They say you owe". My insurance paid 1200 bucks and said my "other" insurance paid 12000 which would I guess be Medicare part A. So at first glance it appears the billed 93,000 has been satisfied by 13,500 but someone without insuance would still owe another 80,000 bucks so you defend that math.

  • Reply to

    Rogere ??

    by r.idonius Jul 24, 2014 8:45 AM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 24, 2014 11:12 AM Flag


    Looks like SFL will get cash from FRO of 10.5 mil and whatever they sold the ships for. Fro will pay 10.5mill
    and have a note to to SFL of around 48 mill on the ships. However FRO will also not have to pay 101.5 mil to SFL in lease payments thus a net gain to FRO of around 43 mill.

    That however does not account for loss revenue from the lease of said ships. Ships 15 years old.

    To know the total who gets what you would have to know more details than furnished in article and if the ships were on current contract but worse case a reduction of cash demand of 43 mill by FRO to SFL.

    I again trust Mr. K as he shuffles his assets among his holdings I hope good for both SFL which I own and FRO which I own.

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    by rogere1946 Jul 21, 2014 11:20 AM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 23, 2014 11:59 AM Flag

    rails not sure where you get your rate info as Intertanko shows the rate as of today at 27,000 for VLCCF and 43,000 for seuz.

    They are holding steady as well and with all that is going on in the middle east and Ukraine I doubt they will fall down too much.

  • Reply to

    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 23, 2014 11:52 AM Flag

    Lake you say "Evolution" has no laws. That statement from someone who sees himself educated?

    Then you show that you do not believe that yourself by saying that evolution "weeds out" some bad human traits. Clearly you impose the "law" of species improvement by that statement alone.

    The backbone of Any evolution theory and they are more than one is that evolution continues to improve the development of the species until it evolves into a new type. From early man to today's version is what most would agree is an improvement. The animal kingdom is full of such examples as well and NONE of them based on Love, kindness, compassion, long suffering for others, forgiveness in fact those traits run against survival of the fittest.

    Now here comes Lake a Pure evolutionist who does not practice the things that evolution success is based on. Lake cares about children, Lake wants to see the sick and lame treated, the old looked after. Not a very good way to assure the continued successful evolution of the hardest of mankind now is it?
    In fact you should be over in the camp of those who say that certain types of people are inferior sort of like the idea of #$%$ Germany. They were going to improve and grow the "Master Race" for the betterment of mankind. The #$%$ are only trying to ride the human race of those types that would "drag it" down.

    Repent Lake from your anti evolutionist ways and embrace the improvement of the species by letting the rich who by being rich are clearly elites and superior keep their money and stop taking taxes from the better "classes" of mankind to give to those who clearly are inferior by being poor, sick or dim witted. Love is weakness in evolution as is compassion. For the greater good of our species no sheltering those lessor types and mixing the gene pool. The Gene pool not love is what is important Lake.

    Not a 12 stepper but they do work better to help folks than a shrink.

  • Reply to

    Roger and the moral high ground.

    by lakeed98 Jul 22, 2014 4:10 PM
    rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 22, 2014 4:46 PM Flag

    Lake once again you show how silly your are not to mention prejudice. You post that ALL Educatied people believe in evolution which is a really dumb and wrong thing to say as I hope that even you know.

    Then you avoid what I posted to you on the FACT that evolution is built on the survival of the fittest being what culls and improves the species. If you believe in evolution being true and the reason even the human race has evolved then why do you support keeping the weak and not so bright among us alive? That is counter to the laws of evolution as only the strong survive. The right wing racist on here that point out how the wellfare crowd are inferior humans should be something that would be supported by evolution as it would cull the uneducated, sick, deformed and mixed blood. Clearly in nature species do not breed down and protect the weak do they?

    I have agreed with you that religion has been and continues to be bloodly but their is a huge difference between religion even Christian religion than what Jesus taught. Jesus did not teach evolution but
    compassion. Take a look at Nikky post to me to see what he thinks of compassion and the inferior children of those he sees as lower in the chain of evolution than him.

    Face it Lake your an evolutionist who is also compassionate to the weak, sick and deformed among you.
    You believe one way and practice another.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 22, 2014 1:49 PM Flag

    nikky you must still insist that the world is flat and any who disagree with you are a liberal.

    How can you be so stupid to actually believe that all the facts on hunger amoung children in America is wrong and you are right? You kind of stupidly is based on political belief an not facts just as those on the right refuse to see the warming trend because if they did they fear that would make them to close to a LIERAL

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 21, 2014 11:20 AM Flag

    VLCCF 27500
    Suez 47,300

    They continue to make money for FRO and other shippers like NAT. Oil is up today while most E&P boys are down. As long as rates stay where they have been now for over 5 weeks (9 weeks being a quarter) FRO and others are making money. Suez are making BIG MONEY (NAT)

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 21, 2014 11:02 AM Flag

    Mr. Shores I have said it before but I do think it is worth repeating. Obama care is not a socialist program as is often portrayed by the right. It is more open market to obtained insurance in fact as your post suggest.
    It is different to be sure and it will take the number crunchers at the insurance co. a few years before they get the numbers they need to again know what makes money and what does not.

    I think that under ACA that some will benefit a lot not so much by cheaper care as those on medicade were getting free care already but they will get faster and wider care options at same price or close to it. Those who have pre existing condition will also get help but that will cost money to insurance co. All those facts will have to be figured into the system before a final picture can be seen. We ALL know the old system was broke for most folks including the Fed Gov that was going broke. Time will tell if ACA makes any changes in the money part of the broke system or not but clearly the treatment part of ACA has already made a difference in who can get treatment and when and where.

    You state of NH is a small state with a low insurance pool to draw from and to benefit from any system it needs to be able to join other larger markets to "Pool" with. If ACA does not allow for that it will at some time in the future as only the very foolish on the right suggest "gutting" ACA and it will not be gutted as it simply has helped too many middle class voters to make them upset if gutted.

    The number of folks who now "pay" (regardless of who does the paying) has greatly increased and goes to insurance co. which are now trying to figure the numbers and once figured will compete for business. To me the only real unknown is how much it will cost the Federal Gov. as both the poor and the insurance co. will benefit from ACA. Some individuals will pay more than before and some less as some choices have been done away with. All about numbers.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 21, 2014 10:50 AM Flag

    Lake the Love of God is found in two commandments according to Jesus. Love your neighbor as you love yourself and Love God. Now I know you do not believe that but Love is the central theme of Christianity not religion perhaps but Christianity.

    Now you claim to love do you not? Even given your unloving post aimed at any on this board who dare to disagree with you. You also claim to be a believer in evolution and thus a product of that belief correct?

    Now according to Darwin and other experts of evolution the number one goal of evolution or the primary doctrine if you will is survival of the species and the evolution of species by the strong survive and improve the species. The weak or culled since they are a threat to the better development of the species.

    There is no love or compassion or mercy found in that type of doctrine. Those things would allow for the weaker to live and hurt the gene pool. So if you are an evolved species your very life has been forwarded by this improvement of the gene pool. It is nature at work or Evolution at work and nothing else.

    It is not personal or cruel but merely the way of evolution to improve and create a better species. Love would stand in the way of such a driven order as it would not kill his weak neighbor but help them. The animal kingdom of which I am sure you being a true evolutionist see mankind as mere animals there is no exception to this survival of the best to protect and evolve the gene pool.

    Thus when you at man you see the only exception? That alone breaks the "theory" laws. You claim man is good by nature but in fact the nature of all evolved species is not good or love or mercy or compassion but survival. Those who do not want to take care of the sick, the old, the young, the helpless, the poor are doing by nature what evolution says to do. God says differently. God also says that man is different.

    Love is the flaw that shows evolution to be false or Man is excepted.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 20, 2014 2:58 PM Flag

    scs nice try but again you are caught. That post was to point out how ALL who were raised in the South was exposed to cultural and legal racism as a way of life. For someone to claim it never effected them or formed their character is one who I have a hard time believing. Also that post was full of past tensed verbs like
    "have been, went, and practiced" You also did not address your greater Lie about me where you claimed I have said that God can not change someone life or behavior. Why do you dislike or hate me so much that you would tell a Lie like that about me? Am I such a threat to expose who you are that you jump to Lies about me? All who read Paul's writing understand that Grace along bring forgiveness and no one can be righteous on their own.

    God did indeed change me by showing me how great is his love and how we must love. A racist person is one who does not love but thinks himself better than others. I forgive you of your lies about me but would appeal to you to resist from being the devil's tool by using lies to attack someone. Post facts and if I am guilty I will admit it and confess and repent as I have done before on this board.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 19, 2014 11:29 AM Flag

    scs I see you like putting words in my mouth. That seems to be a common tactic of attack instead of posting facts.

    The Apostle Paul had no trouble admitting he was a sinner that battled daily to obtain what he had not achieved nor according to Paul would he Ever achieve. So when I admit to sin of any kind I am merely admitting what Paul stated. I like Paul depend on the Grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit to forgive and continue the battle to give me the power to become more like Christ.

    You accuse me of saying that God can not change a sin in someone life which is of course a LIE by you to try to paint me as bad as you can. I NEVER said that. I did say I was raised in a South that the LAW forced you to be a racist if you obeyed the law. I also lived in the South which the great majority of churches practiced racism. I lived in a South that one in three white males were members of the #$%$ and almost all the rest were racist as they had been taught by their parents who being good law abiding Southerners considered it the Right and Proper way to live.

    You claim to not have been influence by those things and I think you are younger than I so perhaps the law had changed when you came up (not willing but forced upon the south) but the culture had not changed nor has it changed today. The N word was once spoken in polite settings and even in church while today it is only spoken among fellow racist in settings that are safe to reveal the still present racist ideas.

    God has indeed changed my heart from that young racist man to what I am today. I see how evil racism is the long lasting effects that it has had on this country. Unfortunely the USA has a deep racist past. Indians, Irish, Poles, Italians, blacks, Asian and any others who were not "WASP" were always looked down on. Religion didn't do much to change this but Jesus can ,did and will.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 19, 2014 11:11 AM Flag

    Rates for VLCCF 27500 and rates for suez at 47,500 and FRO does own those kind of ships.

    If those rate hold for the quarter FRO will make a nice profit. I do not expect them to pay a dividend if they do but I do think the stock will react to a second quarter of profit.

    I would be a buyer at these prices for a gamble if I wasn't already in and gambling lol.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 16, 2014 7:29 PM Flag

    Grump I laugh at you weak post as you got caught in your lies again.

    Here is the bottom line Grump. You will not claim Jesus as your Lord. Given that fact what you have to say about the word of God is of no interest to me. The devil and his followers can quote scripture and try to mislead. It is my prayer as Paul told Timothy. "All you can do for one so self deluded and given over is pray
    that they will return to their right mind"

    Until you boldly claim Jesus as your Lord I find no interest or gain in exchanging the things of the Lord with one who will not claim Jesus as his Lord.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 16, 2014 7:23 PM Flag

    giroux you and Lake both sound and post like tea party right wingers when you both "go off" on Christianity.

    You name call and stereotype to fit your idea of who those are that disagree with you,. You post no facts to "prove" your claim that only the poor believe in Jesus. You hate has blinded you to how silly your post are and destroy any hope of credibility of the post. You are also wrong in claiming that nothing was written about Jesus for over a 100 years again you furnish nothing but you blind prejudice against Christianity as your proof. Another wrong claim of yours is that believers are made when young children. Christian Churches own figures show that this is not the main source of members as too many of their children end up a foolish person like you and more come to faith as adults. Try some research and facts if you want to be taken serious.

  • rogere1946 by rogere1946 Jul 15, 2014 8:27 PM Flag

    VLCCF 29,000 Suze 47,000

    Money to be made at those rates

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 15, 2014 8:22 PM Flag

    Grump once again you bend the truth in your answers and try to misdirect the facts your trick is getting old at least to me and easily spotted if a reader is paying attention and has knowledge of what the subject really is.

    You say that "Salvation by works" which was not what Dakine said. He said "Faith without works is dead quoting the book of James. James nor Dakine either one stated Salvation was by works those were your words not theirs.

    You also said "Yeah. The rich guy claimed to have kept the law and prophets from his youth. Jesus "called" him on his falseness of his claim.." Again you are wrong. Jesus NEVER "called him or even hinted that the man had lied. He infact said "ONE THING LACKOUS THOU" Go and give all you have to the poor and follow me. You are the one that needs to check the scritures that is if You Want to tell the truth.

    Then you try misdirection with you words "
    I agree that they are social issues. But Jesus NEVER stated them as OBJECTIVES, but as EVIDENCES of a kingdom mindset. It becomes problematic with the evidences are substituted for the objectives, which is what our friend Rog repeatedly does." JESUS did indeed say "WHY CALL ME MASTER IF YOU DO NOT DO THE THINGS I SAY" You must follow Jesus to Walk in the Kingdom. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF clearly is both an OBJECTIVE and EVIDENCE of you life will reveal if you did as the MASTER said do or turned your back on your neighbor.

    You say those that want to Reform the welfare system are not in violation of the command. Depends on what the "REFORM" desires are. IF the reform leaves you better off than your neighbor by YOUR desire and efforts then you have failed to love your Neighbor as Yourself and in fact placed yourself and your well being above the needs of your neighbor. Jesus says as you do to the least of them you do to me as well.

    Judas was a thief and wanted the value of the oil for him to steal. According to the NT.

  • rogere1946 rogere1946 Jul 14, 2014 11:42 AM Flag

    Bob I am glad at your blessing and the book of Romans is indeed a GREAT book that all can gain from.
    I have to confess that I avoid Revelation as much as I can. It clearly is a "hard book" in many ways but I simply do not have the understanding given to me to walk in the wisdom of the book.

    May I direct you to the small book of Philemon as one to read and reread as Paul pours out his heart to a brother about another brother. No book in the NT is as personal as this one nor is focused in "loving your neighbor". I can see the tear stains on the letter from the cheek of Paul as he wrote the letter.
    It has blessed me, confronted me, caused me to repent and always humbled me as I read it.
    To realize that Paul a man on a great God given mission would as part of that mission take time and use assets to write and get the letter delivered given it was concerning only three brothers shows how much our Lord values each of His Followers.

    Our walk must be one of Joy or we need to find out what is stealing our Joy and refocus ( I know easier said than done) I confess I had become far to acid in my view of others even my enemies as wrong as they may be lol need love not acid thrown on them. Feel free to point out my failures in that area when I go astray.


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