Mr. BS you call it naïve to see that Hamas rather we like them or not is real and a power that will have to be dealt with. Egypt was a nation at one time that also called for the destruction of Israel as was Jordon but Mr. Naïve Carter ended that by not ignoring them as a power in the Middle East but as a power that had to become a part of solving a problem. Hamas will not go away by rockets or bombing but go stronger as each person who was not an avid Hamas supporter but now has a family member killed by Israeli bombs.
Northern Ireland should of showed you something as well as Mr. Naïve Carter work at Camp David which defied all the experts ideas of what would happen.
What you call Naïve has produced more than bombs, shock and awe and all other ways of killing.
If you see Israel with eyes that are only open to the Israeli way of demanding you do then you are blind to the truth. I know of no nation in the world that was Given land that was taken from them over 1900 years ago without any seeing that in doing so many other problems were created as well. The way to solve these problems by Israeli and Hamas way of thinking is by force. I say that Mr. Naïve Carter brought more peace to the Middle East than the arms race has. Egypt before Camp David was just Hamas with a nation. Hamas as a territory and the responsibility to govern, and protect its people as Egypt and Jordan had might be an easier form of people to deal with than a bunch of terrorist with no recognized authority to speak for a people and a land.
You are indeed a bold and foolish man to call President Carter Naïve given his record of success in creating not one but two nations who gave up the cry to destroy Israel. Israel should consider that it was offering peace at a cost that accomplished more than all their US military weapons have given them.
gmlaird I am betting on Mr. F to keep the FRO boat afloat. For the last 2 months of this quarter the rates have been way over what makes FRO money. Depends on how many ships were on the spot market as to how that will effect the balance sheet for the quarter. It could go lower but I think that all the bad news that drove the stock down is out on the table. Now comes the solution. It could come before the next quarter release or after but I think it will come before the end of the year. Lets face it Mr. F owns a huge chunk on FRO on way or another and would he for a mere 190 million see it go into a general BK? I do not think so.
He very may restructure FRO within his own companies or merely float a loan from his personal account.
Time will tell but at near 2 bucks or lower looks like a good gamble to me.
Lake you post enjoying one person death and then you say I am mentally ill. lol
I have never seen a post of yours with any mercy or compassion for those who dare to disagree with the all knowing Lake. Your a closed mind liberal which is no different that a close mind tea party right winger.
I do not hate you nor do I want to see anything bad happen to you. I do and will continue to point out the hate in your post and how self-righteous and never wrong you are. Have you ever admitted you are wrong?
It seems when it comes to admitting being wrong those on both extremes of the left and right are no different.
You do not get to frame God as you like to especially since you do not even believe in God. You try to tell me how to believe and what to believe since again you got it all figured out. I do indeed believe the whole bible. How I believe it is something you are clueless about yet that does not stop you from telling how I must believe it since somehow you think you are in charge of how every Christian must believe or not believe.
That makes Lake a God in his own mind I suppose. Hate for you? Nah pity is the word I really do pity how silly your mind works or fails too.
Grump your endless dodges and twisting is like a cancer. Like I said if you get cancer you will do a lot more looking up facts and talking to people who have been there and done that. One of the most helpful things about cancer centers is the support groups of people who have been there and done that.
I have said for a long time that we already have death squads and that in the USA is public policy. The public policy that the more money you have the more you can afford insurance or pay for you own treatment since we worship at the alter of capitalism in Public Policy. My post are not about some poor soul who has cancer and no insurance nor poor enough to get Medicade. ACA is attempting to change that situation of what public policy is. Most folks do not want to pay for what may save their lives as they do not believe it will happen to them. Preventative care was before ACA something that was not done with medicade nor by the poor so again Preventative care will change public policy with ACA.
As for Prostate cancer the American Canser Society still recommends PSA as a way of preventing death by prostate cancer. It can not stop it from happening but can be a way to detect it.
I read the article as I stated before it did not give definitions of what the writer meant to the terms referred too.
No way to compare apples to apples unless you know you are looking at apples.
You tell me since you know so much about prostate cancer what test cause 1/3 of the men who take them serious problems?
Grump frankly I don't care if you accept the idea that someone who has a form of cancer might spend more time than you learning all they can about it and staying current with anything related to it. Get back to me if you get any form of cancer and tell me then you had done all the research on whatever it may be that you have and need not educate yourself any more on the matter.
The quote you furnished is an old one which my dad was told 30 years ago. A lot more is known about ALL cancers now than then including prostate cancer. Many with prostate cancer do die of heart conditions and other non cancer types of death. But unfortunately it is known that prostate cancer can show up in another part of the body and kill a person who no longer has a prostate.
Your site quote does not give any details on what the statement is based on thus it is impossible to tell what he was talking about when he made such statements.
Would you go to a MD for open heart surgery?
Lake your are a hateful person go join the clan. The disgrace is that while we limit what kids can do and see in almost all others area's of life here we see the great American love of guns allowing a kid to have, hold and shot an machine pistol. I do not take any enjoyment of the death of a human being nor the pain and horror that the 9 year old will have to live with her life. You being an unloving, ungodly, hateful person seem to enjoy the idea of both. You truly are as hateful as any Tea Party right winger I have ever read on any board.
The parents of this girl I am sure had a legal right to bring her to be taught how to use this machine pistol.
The instructor while not being very good at his job had a legal right to teach her or try too. That is what is sad about our gun laws. No laws were broken by this stupid act of violence.
The fear of "the boogy man" or the love of gun by her parents put that weapon in her hand or both.
A person who clearly was not very good at his job paid the price for his lack of safety concerns and I expect the parents to sue the gun range.
Lake the treat is real and given the current "ISIS HIGH RUSH" I would not be surprised to see type of at least an attempt of a terror act somewhere.
Unlike Texas Gov. Perry I do not think ISIS has or will cross the southern border into the USA. If we do suffer a terrorist attack it will be from folks here already. We are very fortunate to have gone since 9-11 without any terror attack on US soil. Europe and the UK has not done as well. I am not saying it is due to Obama or GW BUSH policies since we have not done much to make us safer in 13 years. Americans especially the right hate and fear Muslim's. They see all the same which they are not. We have a few radical Muslim's in the US and some of them have even went into the Middle East and joined terrorist groups and been killed others are alive well and are terrorist.
The real question is why has not Muslim's living in America not done more acts of "terror". The answer is not what the right wing believes but the fact is the vast majority of Muslim's in USA are not terrorist and do not agree with terrorism as a way of life and they not only police their own communities but also "inform" to authorities on radicals in the USA. The American way of life for most Muslim's is a lot better than the life they lived in their home country and they have no desire to allow radicals to be the cause of more Islamic hate and making their lives more difficult. They are a lot smarter than the right wing Muslim's haters in the US and the Muslim's in the US have done more to make the US safe from terror than the right wing nut jobs have with all their fear and hate they preach.
Not sure Hillary will run.
rami we will see who is crazy or not. I bought in at below 2.05 today. Why would I given the "bad news" of not meeting the debt
1. Bond only 190million
2. July and August rates making money thus improved 3rd quarter
3. Biggest of all Mr. F.
I expect the stock to bounce up from where it has retreated today even if I have to wait until the 3rd quarter release for the bounce. I expect some words on how they intend to deal with the debt due this tax year.
Could I be wrong? you bet and in fact I have bet money that I am not. While you clearly have no interest in this stock at all in an investment way at least. Time will tell.
syzygy aren't you glad Obama has made the stock market a place where you have grown your wealth or maybe you wanted a depression? Or a default of our treasury which of course would of ruined you and sent us into depression as well. I like you have made a lot of money under the last 6 years of Obama policies. While I happen to be a Demo voter I do appreciate it when anyone gives me the chance to make money. I also know what will kill the stock market and cost me millions and that is the GOP right wing idea of cutting spending to balance the budget and those cuts from people who spend the money.
Enjoy your trip and thank Obama who gave you a 17,000 Dow to make that money.
Giroux I am called a liberal on this board though I am more conservative than a lot of the right wingers in many things and I vote Demo not because I want too but because they are not GOP which is a lot.
I did not lose any money yesterday and in fact my net worth went up. I did have a paper loss on FRO but only becomes a loss when you sell.
I believe in a God of Love and Forgiveness and compassion so by your post I see you stand against all three of those behavior. You like Lake in your dislike or hate for God tends to be nasty to those who believe.
Rather narrow minded for a so called Liberal mind is it not? God decided and was indeed right that man is evil as your post shows you to be delighting in the idea that others who you do not agree with may of lost some money. God provided His Son to atone for mankind evil nature and thus be saved from our evil ways by the righteousness of Christ who alone is righteous.
You are not only hateful but foolish in your post. Being a Liberal and a supporter of social programs I am glad when right wing GOP types make money since it does give us more tax dollars to spend on the poor.
You are kicking against the pricks when you wish them to lose money. Just as the right wing cut spending to balance the budget is wrong so too is your idea of seeing them make less and pay less in taxes. The only way to have a strong eco and grow out of debt is by all making more money not less. Right and left and the min wage folks as well. Greed and hate works against our own good way out of tight time. They are greedy and do not want to see the poor helped since it might cost them a few bucks but you are hateful by wanting to seem lose money. Both of you are dead wrong.
Mr BS by your post and if all the great minds and employees of fortune 500 companies thought like you we would still be in horse and buggy days, not to mention all the rest of the NEW things that came with problems.
The point is that which is new is either better or worse than what it took the place of. To set around and Woe is me this is going to cause problems so lets not do it is a defeatist attitude and only makes sure you stay in the past and endure the problems being backwards when compared to the rest of the world.
In health the USA has chosen to be the ONLY country in the world that puts more concern in capitalism in health care than medical care. We are totally backward to what others accomplish by cost basis.
You guys who love to cut cost should be all over and all for Universal health care costing as your own personal cost would be lower but the Gov thus taxes would be lower as well. Would it cause problems?
Yes especially to the capitalist but for the average person cost cutting would be a reality. The cry of worse health care is just that a mere cry unsupported by facts and driven by fear and defense of capitalism in medical care. Would some have to wait for doctors or procedure? Most likely but not do to universal system but to location which is a problem before and after ACA. Folks in the wilds of the West can not expect the same type of time and treatment as folks in a big rural area get.
We didn't go to the same school. I was raised to try and solve problems if the results were worse then you blew it start over again but do not just give up or set around crying woe is me.
grump once again let me say this since you MISSED THE POINT. I am not saying that Dr. Welch is wrong or right but was trying to see if you had a site I could go to to try to tell what it was he was talking about.
What your quote furnished is simply not enough information to make an informed opinion on what his reference was directed at. For your information and to enlighten you since you have no experience in prostate cancer there are lots of message boards like this one where men who are in the PSA, Biopt. and treatment stages go to to share information and experience. It is unlike this board about 99% directed toward the subject matter and left and right wing disagreements do not come up. What does come up is latest treatment, results of treatment, and other information by people who just do not write or read articles but have actually been part of the horror that is prostate cancer. It is now the leading cause of cancer death in men. One reason that number is up is because of testing and treatment has increased thus "tracking" the cancer has increased. Old men have died of Kidney cancer and it has been called that or bladder cancer since the cancer was located there. Now however a person with prostate cancer can be tracked and 20 years later after treatment one key is which a rising PSA count again develops and dies of kidney cancer.
Today that would be counted as prostate cancer since it came back in a different location.
A normal PSA is 4.0 which is norm average. Yes cases of prostate cancer have occurred in men with PSA below 2.0 and PSA over 16 has produced no discovered cancer by biopt. So PSA is not THE THING no says it is. My PSA after surgery was .000 no trace. Last tested it was .01 and has been going up for several years. Cause for concern? You can get a PET scan done to see if you have cancer in your body.
That will be my next step if my PSA count goes up again. Is a PET scan 100% accurate? Nope.
Mr. BS I posted on the power chairs and vans before and agree with you that changes need to be made.
I think both these items need to continue to be made available to those who need them. Which in the Van case may be more accurate than the power chairs. However medicare at least should index the net worth of the person needing them and make the cost to them more than those to those less able to pay for them.
That alone would of saved billions. My own nephew (older than me lol) was a perfect example.
The VA paid over 250,000 for vans, home elevators, chairs once he was found to be terminal.
They did not ask nor do they to get back the van or the power chair. In his case the man was worth over 5 million and could of paid for his own. He did need them to have a normal last 2 years (if you can have a normal life while dying of Lou G. illness and cancer)
These are the type of hard decisions that need to be made. The first to me is not that hard nor punishing.
Those that can pay for their own do pay. Next the need to recover from those that get them the equipment and not allowing them to give it to friends or in case of the Van sell it for money.
They are hard decisions and life is effected but to continue to just throw money away when you know some improvements can be made is stupid.
Grump first let me thank you for a post which does insult or demean my post or me be nice to keep it that way.
I did google the doctor and looked at all I could find and did not find the report you posted. That is why I asked for you to furnish me with the site. I can promise you my interest is to see what he is talking about in terms of the 50 men and the one third number of the 50 men.
I can also assure you as you might well expect it is not just my experience that I come from. When you are told you have cancer you will do a lot of research and you will talk to others who have been down the road before.
I know for a fact that PSA is not a solid test and have know that for 18 year when I first was sent to a specialist by my MD.
I also know that a biopt is very painful, puts blood in urine for in some cases 5 days so I was wondering if that is what he was talking about but that would apply to all who had a biopt. not just a 1/3. Again Surgery, chemo or freezing results in almost 100% serious results not 1/3. So again I am puzzled what he is talking about.
A needle biopt can Miss the cancer cells and give a false report. I had tree done over 8 years the last by a new doctor.
The biopt is sent off to a lab which grades the cancer if found on what is called a Gleason scale. Your LT outlook is pretty much given you by that reading as the higher the reading the worse your chances are. The younger you are and higher the reading the really worse your chances are. In my case a local hospital gave the score and then I had it sent to MD Anderson and went there for a second opinion. They graded it a point different but the DR. I met with said it didn't matter in my case.
To be told you have a cancer inside you at age 58 that could kill you within 3 years (a guess for sure but based on experience of a MD Anderson Cancer DR.) will cause you do a lot of research. I cancelled a cruise and had the surgery as fast as possible that was my choice.
Grump Gilbert Wech MD MPH is not a cancer doctor nor urologist but does seem to make a good living being paid to conduct studies and test of cancer testing.
PLease furnish the site you got your quote from. The reason I ask is the statement that 50 men have to be treated unnecessarily and a third of these men will have serious problems with treatment. I would like to know what exactly the "treatment" is that is being mentioned here.
You and BS have not had Prostate cancer I have. It started after age 50 with higher PSA than the 4.0 that is considered normal. Over the next 8 years I was checked (PSA test a blood test this surely is not the test they mean) and I ended up having 3 biopts of my prostate the last one revealing the cancer. NONE of the three biopts caused me any serious problems. I also know many other Prostate cancer suffers and the biopt to discover the cancer is not the "a third of these men will have serious problems with treatment".
So I would love to know just what these 50 men treatment was that caused serious issues in a third of them.
If it was surgery, chemo, or freezing the prostate then I would think over a third would have serious issues with the treatment as it does cause changes on what was normal. However If those 50 had biopts that showed cancer and this report is saying that only one of the 50 would of died then All the first information I have read from MD Anderson and other Cancer centers are all totally way off base and this doctor is correct.
If you get prostate cancer I hope you go to a cancer center and to a cancer doctor or a specialist in that cancer and you will be given a chance to review all the data available to you and then make your own decision. I not the doctor choose to have every biopts done. I choose to have the surgery to remove the cancer. A doctor did tell me that if I did not given my score on the biopts I could be dead in 3 years.
Was he lying? Is the gleason score a myth?
Mr. BS let me get this straight or try to get a straight answer from you instead of you dancing around.
1. Is doctor patience contact and trust one of your beloved freedoms. Do you believe that you and your doctor have the freedom to choose your own medical treatment or do you trust an insurance co. or some Gov. board or agency do decide what is worth the money for treatment or testing?
Now is that too hard for you? The "your" in my post was not solely directed at you as you took it but in fact was directed to the idea that I and the doctor I choose can make the decision for my heath. I can pay for it myself if my insurance does not as I did today forking over 1200 bucks of my money.
The so called death squads that the right wing and GOP howled about is nothing more than what your post suggest that some treatments are not worth (in your or others opinions) the money they cost and add to the medical cost system. The question is how much Tax payers money or Medicare money or now ACA insurance money on treatment when death is going to be the outcome. That decision will have to be directed over the will of doctors and patience opinion and thus will take away a "freedom of YOURS"
Thanks for your help but frankly an answer to the question would serve our conversation better.
Mr. BS you talk dollars and cents and my post didn't disagree with the fact that some test on sick and already dying is a waste of money but If a patience request such test the doctor can refuse but chances are the patience will find a doctor that will do the test. So the way to stop it not by doctors but by changing Insurance and Medicare but then you risk taking away doctor patience contact and trust which is one of your beloved Freedoms is it not?
Do you want insurance co. and the Gov making life and death decision?
You also talk as a man who is not sick and dying. If you end up in that situation then you can talk about how much money you will save the medical bills as you decide to die.
My dad refused all further treatment of his cancer as the odds were 10% of remission and he lived less than 3 months from discovery till death. He could of had chemo or interferon and maybe prolonged or even put the cancer in remission but he chose not too.
Not for money but for no fear of death and he did not want to go through chemo.
However when your time comes to face death or the real heavy chance of it then you can sing your song about money over 6 more months or maybe more. Costly? Yes indeed but you are talking death squads for money which I have said we already have in the USA the more money you have or can spend by medicare or insurance the more you roll the dice on the death squads.
scs Ah the word Freedom. Catch word for Boo are you scared yet? Grab your guns they are coming for you. Lets see are you for the freedom of women to have an abortion? Well how about the Freedom of Gays to marry? Hummmmm what happened to your great Freedom campaign? You don't freedom you want Control and not by the people since you do not trust the people as the people are growing at a rate where they will not be a white people majority in the USA unless you Protect Your Freedom from the non whites attack on your Freedom's (control).
Fear, change and hate is what moves you scs and most of us to be honest.
For someone to say they need a handgun or even a machine gun to protect them from their Gov is silly. Yet that is your cry. You and I believe that abortion is the taking of a life thus we are against it since we Hate that but you are for capital punishment which is the taking of a life as well because you dislike or fear the person being killed more than the taking of life.
Just what Freedom's are you afraid will be taken from you that is life changing?
I am concerned about a people in a State that votes to take away all protection of every one who works in that state. I am concerned about a state that has elected a Gov. 3 times that sends a 1,000 men to the border with no mission and who then proclaims that ISIS is most likely already in the USA.
If you were alive in 1950 in the US you should well fear a law that made 10% of our citizens less a human being than the other 90% in the great state of Texas and all the other southern states. A law that stood for over 80 years in a land of Free people. What you want as freedom is life that is good for you without cost or concern of how it effects others.
Freedom nice word but most of us have a definition of it depending on how it works for our good or what we want or believe in not in the meaning under law.