grump I love it when you get all upset and start your name calling.
Even Romney himself knew he had blown it when the words became public. He said it cost him the election so I guess they are a lot of idiots including Romney by your standards.
You say he was or is the most decent guy to run for president in a long time. How do you know? Do you spend a lot of time with the guy and know him well? Or do you believe him at the face value he reveals to you and others?
How many share croppers do you know? My wife parents where share croppers before her dad got a job at a refinery. How many times have you listened to folks who went through the Great Depression and heard the difference between those who had a farm or share cropped and never experienced the depression except to share more food with the hungry folks who came to their doors. Again I have family members that had farms and begged for food. Do you?
Once the jobs of WWII became available I would agree that most of American's not on the farms did better but not the large farm owners who also did well and continue to do well today. A sharecropper today would I am sure get food stamps since their pay is so low but unlike you I do not know all things so maybe you or Mr. BS can find a site to post on that.
Rave on Dude you words only show what a egoist and pitiful person you are and I can assure you that you calling me an idiot and putting me in agreement with Romney himself or ignorant or illiterate does not demean or make me feel bad given the source. What a poor little man you are.
scs you prove my point. Do you want the USA to become as those 3rdworld countries? Would you be proud if we did turn our back on the poor as their corrupt and for the rich Gov. have done. Do you as one who follows Jesus really believe that is our goal to making USA a so called " Christian Nation"? You want to be a Christian when it comes to outlawing abortion and doing God knows what against Gay's but when it comes to the poor you want the USA to follow those countries ideas that you have seen first hand?
You are totally wrong as usual if you really think food and health care is even now available to all. Are you really that dense or just want to believe that so your conscience is clearer? The EU nations are a lot more
caring for the poor and sick than the USA so why do you not mention them instead of your hero greed driven nations where money alone is God?
Of course the poor in the USA are better off than those in 3rd world nations and that is because of the War on Poverty and the "Christian" movement back when compassion was more important to Christian's than Capitalism. You have made a terrible trade in those two things. You seem to assume or even think that all those under bridges or in shelters are there because they want to be. Again go for yourself and find out.
Some are indeed drug & booze addicts and some have given up on life and others are mentally damaged and ran out of treatment facilities to cut state budgets. Go ask a real expert that you trust and not a CEO of some company go ask your preacher to recommend a shelter or preacher that works with the poor and find out the truth not some lie you want to believe. The Truth will at least make you make factual moral decision.
Do you walk away sorrowful because you have much or start to stand up for the poor that is your choice since to you much has been given and much is expected.
Mr. Shores I feel fine thank you and I do hope you grow some to replace the ones you lost.
Why don't you tell me again how a guy as smart as you think you could come up with a 5,000 Dow?
Even I was a drunk or as stupid or as ill as has been suggested by all you "I don't want to answer his question" right wingers I have never missed a market call that bad.
Get under a bridge for a week or go to a shelter for a week and actually meet and experience some poor people then maybe you idea of looking at wrong numbers posted by Heritage Foundation is clearly wrong.
The idea that only 2% of the population of US is the only really poor that we need to help is as far off as your 5,000 point Dow number and shows just how wrong you can be.
You have a nice and darn glad your not poor because your not tuff enough to make it.
Mr. BS no need to try to have a conversation if your so dense as to not understand what I was saying.
Again you either do not have furnished to you by the Heritage F. the magic % they used to come up with their numbers or you don't want to share it with us. I suspect the first.
I am not impressed with what you gain from a son working at a store in NH and even the age he used ( I can see your influence on him I am sure you are proud of that) he says 13 to 17 years of age. You do realize four years is not a majority of children do you not?
If your telling me you believe that only 2% of American's are truly poor then you are so diluted you are beyond help. But if that would be true then the success of the war on poverty has truly been amazing.
Romney used the 47% as the throw aways which I think is too high to cover all the poor but Romney and the GOP continues to believe that no policy directed towards that 47% is worth pursuing. In other words they are beyond help or concern.
You are also very small minded if you think having a car and being hungry, homeless and without a job is worse off than being a share cropper with a full belly. I guess you assume that all those poor drove expensive cars and not junkers. Clearly you have never driven in Texas and lived in fear of having a wreck with an uninsured motorist in an old car I guess NH is not big enough for that?
Your whole world is self centered and you can not reach out beyond what you want to see and believe.
I suggest you go to a real town even in NH and go to a church that works with the homeless and educate yourself some. Yes some of the homeless are drug users or boozers and you can write them off as losers in life who made their own bed. THat is the easy to excuse yourself from any feeling of helping such people but if you spend some time with them you might learn who they are or were.
Your point? Gee I just though you copied a Heritage F faulty study. 2% are you for real?
suzee well you are at will to be an idiot if you wish but you give me the money and I will buy whatever you say and if I make money I will give you your money back and 50% of the profit :)
Mr. Shores surely you realize that doctors own or have parts of many Hospitals, PT centers, Out pat. clinics where day surgeries are done? Why would they invest in all these places instead of the stock market or bonds? A sure thing is always a good investment is the reason. As long as folks like you worship at the alter of pay as you go medical system then the doctors will continue to live in your pocket book.
Just as a wall once was in place between those who now steal at will in Wall Street so too was once a wall between doctors and Hospitals as most Hospitals were in days long ago charity hospitals usually ran by a church. Today even the church ran hospitals are for profit and as much a business as one owned by Doctors.
Doctors run the best close UNION shop in the US and that alone should make you conservatives dislike them and want to end such a UNION control of medical cost but instead you embrace their stealing as Doctors do most of the Medical fraud in the USA and they also do more illegal dope sells than do the hated cartels.
Doctors do not deserve the respect that they are given any longer and have become mere money changers and greed driven individuals who make sure a son or daughter can get into medical school to take over the family business much as the mob passes on their empires.
Yes they are a lot of good caring doctors as clearly those of Doctors without borders point out but the profession is self regulated and self controlled and even a doctor convicted of a crime can still practice medicine if the doctor controlled Medical board does not "pull" his license. They also decide if a doctor is a butcher or a real doctor even if several courts of law have found them to be a butcher that is not enough.
Are you really surprised in what your post pointed are you really that naïve?
Mr. Shores you love to post things like this. Let us assume that the Heritage Foundation (a well know conservative group) actually thinks their stats are correct. Please tell me how with over half of the POOR being children they have all this stuff? Clearly the Heritage Foundation numbers are very very wrong since clearly they did not consider children among the poor or maybe they now own cars and buy TV and computers at age 1-12?
Now if you still want to believe such easy seen faulty numbers as correct then never again say the war on poverty was a failure since clearly even the Conservative Heritage Foundation says it has been a huge success of course they would deny this with another of their flawed posted so called Factual findings but the truth is you can not have it both ways. Either the Poor (children included) are better off since the war on poverty started or they are not.
You did not see fit to show the amount of income or standard of living number that the HeritageF. used maybe they posted or maybe they wanted you to accept them at face value. Funny how your willing to post this sort of findings while you reject anything from liberal foundations as flawed and some times off up your opinion on why they are flawed. Well I do the same with the Heritage F. findings since the post has no number as to say who is poor or who is not nor does it address that children living in these homes are "lumped" in to the findings as if they own a car which clearly they do not. Figures can be made to Lie to achieve what ever the goal is.
Now if you really want to see if the poor have it better today I suggest that you for a year live on whatever number is the poverty level in NH. Move out of you home and do not use your car or any of your toys or things of comfort and see how well you and your wife enjoy the next year. Oh yes you are over 65 but so is many of the poor which should be in this findings. Living on SS only.
rami why do you feel the need to Lie about what I have said?? I gave you credit for saying you believed that FRO was going BK and you respond with a Lie about what I have said. I said FRO was a GAMBLE not a Bargain do you not understand the difference between those words. I think you must but you choose to use a word I have never said about FRO. I think it is a good Gamble where it is right now as well. Bargain maybe but only if understood in context of GAMBLE. Only Gamblers need to be interested in FRO at this point. I do not think it will go BK and if it stays where it is or goes lower I may add some shares tomorrow not as a bargain but to enlarge my GAMBLE.
Unlike you I have bet my money on where I think FRO will end up in a few years. You don't short but only repeat BK BK BK and now when I call your hand on your parrot post you respond by lying on what I have said.
My only other gamble would be to bet on how long it takes you to post again how FRO will go BK. I doubt you can resist too long and most likely would bet on less than 3 days lol.
So BS let me get this right Obama says a Bridge that Could allow the US to slow global warming and some guy who you would call a lefty and pro green says NO it will not. Not because of Numbers based on emission but on the flawed study that ASSUMES that solar and wind and other forms of energy
will not be developed as fast?
The numbers clearly say if we switched totally to NG away for coal and oil the omission level would come down. If a study was done on that happening by 2016 and that solar and wind would also be added at same or higher rate the numbers would be even higher on gains. But you oppose that study as being Flawed because it assumed too much. You however find in your anti Obama mind comfort in the flawed study out of UC that ASSUMES that using NG will automatically mean less solar and wind.
You have once again built a straw man and heave it up and worship it as the truth and this time your hero is UC study by a prof who is no doubt more lefty than Obama will ever be and he is your new hero?
It is just your take and it is as flawed and built of false assumption as is the study you so embrace.
There is NO facts involved in any of this. NG will not replace coal or oil by magic as Obama spoke of and even if it started Profit not love of solar or wind will drive their numbers. T. Boone was the big guy behind wind for a long time and I find he not so much green in environment but Green as in MONEY.
You live in NH so expect below zero days and the winter you have none at all is when you will bemoan your head in the sand on global warming action to at least prolong it. But I do not see you living that long so enjoy your wood fires while your fit enough to cut wood.
lake gee it wasn't all that long ago that you said how BS was one of the smartest posters on this list lol.
Why would anyone put you on ignore as you bring your own brand of elitism to the board and show clearly how the mind of a extreme right winger and a extreme lefty tend to vocalize thing in a like manner.
Now go ahead and attack God for this post and if you do you are saying that God does speak through me as I not God posted this.
rami at least rutlando has something NEW to say. You on the other hand or merely a broken record. Guess what rami we got your idea of BK about 200 post ago do you think by restating it over and over and over and over etc again you will make it happen?
Oh by the way I took your advised about 100 post ago and shorted the stock and have made a lot of money lol unlike you who merely post and post and of course post.
BK will not happen and the mere fall off today no worse than many other stocks is due to a 200 plus down day in the dow and not a sure fired BK.
But ATTENTION Board in case someone missed rami thinks FRO will without a doubt go BK. How is that rami we got you down for BK.
Mr. BS you seem to say that you believe lower stock prices will happen as dilution is done.
Have you given up on the idea that FRO will go BK then?
If you believe that come 2017 the market will turn around (as does the so called experts on the tanker market and FRO itself) then at what point do you become a buyer of FRO?
If you will never buy FRO at what point of a lower stock price caused by dilution and a low rate weak market do you recommend to others to buy?
Clearly if you believe that at some point 2017 or 2018 there will be a recovery then when would be a good time to pull the trigger and buy FRO? Clearly the lower you buy it the more you make on the up tick and the less money gambled.
Cash flow is key not debt as cash flow will pay off debt. If Mr F does indeed buy enough shares of FRO stock to get them pass the bond debt then it seems that his "stake" in FRO would be committed in a much larger pile than it is today making BK a foolish option. IF 667,000,000 million shares are approved to sell and Mr. F. buys enough to meet the 190 bond debt that would still leave 467,000,000 to sell for cash flow as needed. 2 1/2 years from bond date will be well into the expected recovery period and I doubt that Mr. F would Have to buy too many of those 467,000,000 shares to furnish cash flow for those years.
But hey that is my take on ummmm just what was yours again?
man is different from other animals on the planet. He thinks in ways that other animals do not and he has both good and bad morals which again most animals have only the will to survive and survive the species.
What has changed in the last 200 years of mankind that has seen a huge increase in the population of humanity? Medical advances would I think be #1 reason. Broader based eco growth that slowly has reduced the need for family members to "make a living off the land" which in some countries like the USA and the EU has achieved and exceeded its need for in old life sustaining endeavors but has by lack of population growth been unable to keep up with the labor demands in each of their countries thus the EU and the N. America has a alien labor need and problem.
War has been proven to not a wise thing to engage in on a world wide basis and since WWII we have not seen millions die due to war. New and better ways to produce food has supplied ALL the needs of people but the eco system has failed to make ALL those needs available to the masses and even in the EU and N. America were wealth abides so does hunger.
Morality has been improved and extending of human rights without race or sex discrimination but so has greed and selfishness so that push pull is ongoing.
The wild card is the thing that man can not control or refuses to even try in some cases (see greed)
is the effects of man on the planet which changes the natural into the unnatural and will kill human kind if let totally alone. Dirty air and water due to eco greed. Global warming may or may not join and remain on the list of head stuck in the sand ways of mankind.
In order for mankind not to come to a point where we start to die off due to our own ignorance morality must lose out to greed and right now it surely is on that course.
bob actually the count is higher than 3. Two in Russia alone with loss of lots of life and still unsafe levels in area around the two plants. 3 in Japan again loss of life and unsafe area and unknown ocean cost and others. Several in US has been shut down before they went MIA and I do not know about other countries but Nukes are anything but a safe bet and as long as they are built and ran by a for profit company or as in Russia poor design and operation they will be more costly than value they bring to power supply.
No telling how many deaths due to coal dust and burnt coal ash and it continues today.
But hey you got to pay to play and we do love to play.
scs I know you hate ISIS and want to see them destroyed but you seem to want for that to happen for free?
So you think those that buy bonds should shoulder the cost of the war and those who do not pay nothing?
Bad enough that some are going to die and be ruined for life to make your desire (and mine) to see ISIS taken apart but I unlike you as a proud vet and American are willing to pay a tax to see it done.
You claim to be conservative but do not want to PAY for what is done? You would rather add debt instead of paying for a war? That is not conservative. Cheap yes, greedy Yes, self centered yes. But conservative not even close.
The poor will pay in blood when the last time you given any blood? how about an arm or leg? The rich do not fight wars and making them pay for war and letting the poor fight and die seems fair to me and if not it is the poor not the rich with the beef.
As usual your just self driven and call it conservative or Freedom of choice but in truth you know if a bond you would dodge the cost of the war and not have any blood at risk and wear your little flag and call yourself a real American. Maybe you are since a lot of folks will agree with you.
Rangel in all his faults and he has them does have a silver star to show for his risk of blood and that when being a black and winning such a medal was not easy or maybe you feel that giving medals to blacks and browns and other minorities was on a fair and equal basis lol. It wasn't and most likely still is not as the military remains a good old boy white club for the most part with a few exception like C. Powell. few rise to the higher ranks.
Kill ISIS yea but don't ask me to pay for it lol Typical right wing idea.
Lake you not me brought in Christianity into this discussion (as usual) but if you think mankind is full of good guys then you are deluded period. History (the bible included) shows over and over again what drives mankind and it is simply. Self centered interest pure and simple. The more powerful a person is (usually by riches but not only as religion does give power when misapplied or political power) the more the corruption effects mankind. If you really think China is concerned about going green then go hug a commie and become his buddy in the new green age you see concerned mankind entering.
The sad truth is man has screwed over man as long as man has walked the earth and you can read about it for about the last 5,000 if you wish. Am I sinister? If looking at the history of mankind and seeing how greed, power and ego has created monster after monster at the expense of humanity and seeing it happen year after year then you may call me sinister if that will make you believe in mankind more.
They are examples of good men and women who to their own suffering did serve others and try to improve humanity. I will make you mad by saying many of them driven by being like Jesus and others just doing what they were talented to do. They are in a minority.
China, the USA and other countries will move toward survival over only when they are sure of the outcome being so bad as to effect the status quo of power and realize that to do nothing means drastic changes in the world they now know that will effect their eco and power and they must act. Those on this list who put money ahead of doing more now to act are no more than a reflection of the masters who pull the strings.
Some know very well the danger of doing into the future the same as has been done but the personal cost to them is too great for them to push for the change. So they feed the lies that it is not real or we can't beat it anyway as a whole to maintain control as long as they can.
China needs power and fast. They will continue to need it for a long while as they are like the 1950's for the US and if the world eco remains good that will not change. Given the pro globalist thinking (or sold out) politics of both parties in the USA in 50 years the USA will behind China in eco power. Handed to them by traitorous US Globalist and their owned politician's and stupid people who will vote their second class world citizenship to China.
You seem to think that money or a country cares about the life and well being of workers and you call yourself a liberal with that type of thinking? Coal has been a known killer for over 75 years and even before "global warming debate" Coal was I killer in the air of any major city in the North, to those who worked to produce it and to the streams and rivers that was used as dumb run off. Who cares as long as greed was feed and it continues today. It takes bigger money to push out old money and until solar and wind and whatever else may be found can buy the greedy politician's then no ones cares about how dirty or clean things are as they pay lip service only to the problem. China only cares about power they have too many people as it is so who cares if a lot die off? They do care about pollution around their major global cites of today and the future as they will lead the new world order not the US or Russia or EU. They will go to nukes regardless of how dangerous they may be and will hold on to coal until they oil or gas or solar or wind to replace it. How clean it may be is low on their list of things to think about today.
Look at all the right wingers in the US who still deny global warming and man's role in it. Fox and bought politician's have made it a political issue instead of a science issue and the bubba's don't know or understand science maybe but they do understand that when Fox or the GOP speaks they salute regardless of the issue.
Change will come when the money is right.
Semp there you again speaking as if you word Is correct and final. You are silly enough to claim that environmentalists are against dams because they produce power??? What a line of #$%$ that is. They may be against dam and thus against the power they produce but not because of the power. Since when do you speak for all environmentalist? Who died and left you as the voice of all knowing.
Who cares what you think "big-hydro" is or is not renewable energy. I think most real environmentalist unlike you would agree that rather they like dams or not that hydro elect power is clean and renewable. They would have other concerns but unlike what you claim if those claims could be handled and the power produced they would be trilled.
You just can not bring yourself to concede even a point can you. You will even climb up and claim to be all knowing about what "environmentalist" believe or not. Just like right wingers like you come in all shapes, sizes and degrees of beliefs within the right not even you can claim to speak for them all. Well you could as you have claimed to speak for almost anyone as putting words in folks mouths is your favorite thing to do.
The reality of life is that no one knows what the makeup of China power will be in 16 years down the road.
Their needs will increase IF the world's eco remains strong. Given the fact that nuke power also fits into a Nuke weapon program and they do not have to listen to environmentalist or anyone else for that matter I expect nukes to be part of that growth. Coal use will also fit but China will end up using whatever is cheaper and in 5 or 10 years than may well be solar or who knows what. More dams included as China like you has little use for environmentalist concerns and look for power. But you go ahead and tell us what is in the mind of the environmentalist community if that feeds that never full ego of yours.
gadboone waving the Stars and Bars and depending on guns held by private citizens to fight off the enemy once they are at your door step might be your idea of how to save the USA from foreign enemies but is certainly not mine. The right wing is more concerned and afraid of their own Gov. listening in on cell phones calls and reading emails and being able to buy all the guns they want than they are what ISIS or China or Russia does. Be assured gadboone that Russia or China will still listen to your calls and read your computer emails and continue to employee all the latest techno advantage they can get while you and your right wing nut jobs brag about how your "rights" are in danger from your own Gov.
I doubt in fact you even want any US Gov to succeed that is not right wing. The old South and the current South is full of Governors who clearly believe more in states rights than a locality to the Federal Gov. Who knows maybe Putin will offer them a shot at joining a great white majority Russia and once again be proud of white power? Putin will even let you have your guns I am sure until that is he is ready for His troops to move in but relax your white he is white must be better than having a country with a non white running things right?