#$%$ thanks for the answer. I do think the last person I talked with was wrong on how she figured the shares and she did find a date of May 24 but she said that the LAST day to buy the stock was in fact the day I was talking to her. I was totally bumed out by the confusion and dates and just throw up my hands and gave up.
I think I will make one more phone call to Vanguard in AM and see what kind of an answer I get this time best 2 out of 3 wins lol. Anyway you cut it I do think to still own SSN at this time is hope that at some time in the next 4 years the price will be above that .79 cents warrant. I will keep my shares and see what happens and if I get the right info or 1 warrant for every share you excercise I will add all I can. I also agree with you on the price issue which both of the folks I talked agreed with as well. Lets hope for that buck a share for a nice double or more with warrants.
dakine while I loved Europe and would choose it as the place to live if not for family being in the USA I am not sure the average person can afford to enjoy the quality of life that Europe offers. They live different than folks do in the US. Cars are not a MUST have nor is a huge home for two people starting out.
Most American's who go around thinking they are God's chosen people and nation have never been to a foreign country. Thus they have not seen the poverity of a thrid world country nor the benefits of the countries listed in the top ten. In short most American's are brained washed, egoist, ignorant and happy to stay that way. They resist any kind of change as some kind of conspiracy to do them harm. Health care being the easist examle of stupidity enjoyed ONLY in the USA. A system of health care for a whole nation of over 300 million people that is based on getting that care only if you are rich, have insurance or poor enough to have the Gov. take care of you. The mere fact that the USA alone pursues this type of insanity health care system which is much more expensive and no better than certainly Europe and Canada is a prim example of how a lack of knowledge and understanding of how other countries do things better than the USA and yet American's can't see it. Mass transporation is another example. Not just buses and trains but better highways and a road system for walking and biking that links most of Europe together. Europeans do value that more than they mind the taxes to pay for it. Clearly Europe values quality of life more than the materialism that controls the so called "American Dream".
Sadly it seems that in America today 35-45% of the population equate quallity of life with how low taxes are.
There is no cure for ignorance. I suppose the folks in Detroit and the poverty areas of Ky, Va,WV,Tn, NC and SC all think that they are better off than those in Europe lol.
For now the news is out about the meeting. So we are back to pre meeting situation with "perhaps" a better situation but the glut still there, prices still down and Mr. F still holds the get out of jail card.
So when do we reload for the next run up sell off? 1.80 was the old bottom price before the meeting news sent it down from highs so will it go back down to the 1.80 range or stay above 2?
Anyone guess is as good as another but for me I want to see it play for a while or drop like a rock in a day of trading with no news before I will fire again. Still could be a good ST gamble if you like making 10% on your gamble. Better than a bank or CD or bonds so 10% not bad.
Have your chips ready and throw the dice. Bottom line FRO = Mr. F no matter how you turn it that is value of this co. Either it stands or falls on Mr. F no braineer.
Lake I think you win the prize. FRO is worth? FRO will not go BK? FRO is being played to death? Given those realities what is the stock worth? Either not much or if Mr F keeps it going and the sector recovers it is at least a 10 buck stock. Between zero and 10 bucks is the gamble.
I called Vanguard today about the offering. I was given a totally different figure for the warrants than they had given me before. It is really hard to understand how an offering could confuse a big broker like Vanguard but either the person I talked to today was totally wrong or the person I had talked too was.
They both agree that the price will be .57 cents American to excercise the sale and the actual price may well be less but not more. They then depart on how to figure the warrants. One said that for ever share I buy I get 8 warrants so 100 shares equals 800 warrants but it takes 20 warrants to get a share at the .76 cent excercise price so the 800 turns into 40 warrants. The person today told me something totally different so I have decided to just screw the whole deal and hope SSN finds a way to hit a buck a share and when they do I sell and move on lol. I have made several phones calls concerning the date of the offering and again according to the person today this is the last day for the options. Who the heck knows.
rje assuming you are a non drinker it is truely amazing how being sober you can post and believe such moroon ideas as you do day after day. You actually believe Obama was born in Kenya makes you an idiot but you go on to say that by lossing 4 Americans in Bengazi which you say was not a terrorist attack but one that Obama caused which shows again your an idiot and finally to show how really stupid you are you raise the GW blood stained hands who DID cause a WAR that took well over 150,000 lives of which 5,000 were American's. I suggust you start drinking and stay drunk since sober your clearly an idiot. Yet you and your kind can't figure out how Obama can win two elections the answer is clear if you had a brain. Obama was the only choice to American's other than elect a guy who thinks like you. Loser thinking.
Dakine it is good for the board too see two "whatever name we have been called the most " lol disagree. One thing for sure from what little intelligence I see in 90% of right winger a machine could sure replace them by only being able to say "NO" " NO TAXES" but for those men who actually think without having Fox or Rush to tell them what to think disagreement means that thinking right or wrong is taking place.
Unless kids are replaced by robots the day will never come when kids will mind and do as told enough to be "taught" by pure instruction programs. I agree that autiomation has improved some things in school but I also question some of the "So Called" Progress.
I do not see doing away with "Long hand" as progress but a dumbing down. I also see the dependence on "Machines" to do math is also a LT sure fire to have a even more ignorant society. Look at what "HOOKING UP" to Foxnews has done to 30% of AMericans.
Just what Gov. job do you see the need for automation? Garabage pick up can be done by less people as the town I came from had a Truck with a pick up arm and you h ad to buy their garabage can which the arm fit around and poof it was gone. A driver alone was needed instead of a driver and two workers which is where the town I now live in has.
The town is not union so you can't blame unions for the two workers. I also have twice a week pick up because the 3 man truck is faster than the one man truck and it is lighter and does less street damage. However on the whole automation is more cost effective but less appeal to voters who let city Gov. know when they are mad. Service is better with the old style so it stays simple as that.
No matter how many new machines come in medical area people are needed to run the and read them. Yes they are less nurses and more "non nurse" workers doing "nurse work" Again I have never seen a union hospital. Law suits I think keep the amount of trained nurses at % they now are. The future?
dakine while automation is indeed a big problem in the USA most of the jobs LEFT are the type that automation can't really hit that hard. The professionals as you point out and the rest of the medical services staff folks across the board. Then we have all the Gov. employees of all the Gov including schools.
Add the medical and Gov and you have the great majority of good paying jobs left in America and ones that automation can't really replace. Then comes the crafts. again what can be replaced is mostly gone but how do you replace a plumer or electricial or carpenter, fitter etc. with a robot? Not for a while.
The Republicans would like to end as many Gov. jobs as they can but once the pain of that is felt then they suffer the political fall out but that takes a while. All the low paying Walmart type retail jobs and #$%$ flippers which is not that much less paying than Walmart again a robot will not work that cheap.
Manufacturing is where automation and slave labor have killed US jobs. Shipping while mostly hurt by foreign flags has also been hit by automation. Some of those jobs if not most could be returned by changing the law to make slave labor not allowable but we in America or only against slaves in this country. We care little how many folks Disney contractors kill, abuse and make wage slaves out of as long as we do not have to admit it or see it in the USA. We care nothing that children are abused to feed our demand for cheap products as long as they are nor OUR children. We live in a nation gone selfish. No hope LT. We have become Sodam and Gomorah of selfishness, greed and no compassion and we will pay for that. When and how I do not have a clue but the day will come. There has to be a HELL for the Disney, Nike and all those who do not give a dam about human life and for us who buy thier #$%$.
rje I do not know what causes your mind to float away from reality and fills with hate but if you did you drank at least you would have a reason for being an idoit.
The job loss was caused by the GW Crash and years of Repulbican policies. The recovery of the US eco from the brink of a depression was done by Obama policies not GW or Republican policies.
Republicans have fought and still fight the idea of any stem into the eco which is the very reason that US recovery has been better than Europe which choose to not Stem their eco as much but now they all have seen the light of facts and joining the USA in trying to grow back to health instead of cutting.
Since you believe that Obama was born in Kenya you clearly are not rational and a total waste of time to reply too as only totally idiots and their followers believe such a lie. The facts are easy to see but you and your kind of wite losser would rather hide and lie. Stock market at all time, Unemployment down to below where GW sent it crashing and the outlook is upbeat. Only place to find gloom and doom is in the Republican Party which continues to major in fear, hate and old ideas that are failed policies but they are 90% party of white males which is very important to folks like you.
I d once again you prove no more than someone who might make almost a middle class living as an English teacher.
You clearly would rather talk about such important things as diagramhing sentences which by the way is no longer done or maybe you write in "long hand" which again is being dropped in our schools. But you sir charge those English windmills and dodge replying to a topic or addressing facts hiding behind what you deem as so important.
You and your right wing foaming at the mouth idiots are not worth my time to even use spell check as none of you ever have any idea other than what Fox news programs into you or Rush and Glen tell you. Had I been a good speller or a good creative writer I may of made more than a D in Freshman English but when I didn't I changed my major from History and gave up being a history teacher and ended up with an accounting degree. Sad to say that being a bad speller and writer cost me my goal of teaching history but I ended up making 4 times a year more than a history teacher so I guess I owe my wealth today to being a bad speller. I also dated a girl who helped me with English and we have been married for over 40 years so I guess having to have "help" in spelling paid off in both affairs of the heart and pocket book.
If you want to impress with your spelling and proper wording do so when you discuss the topic of the discussion you can read and comprehen can't you?
i d the spelling and English man a seeker of truth lol.
Clearly you don't seem to read and understand too well what you read since all you do is repeat your call for the TRUTH about ONE incident. Lets say Obama was the one who was told of the attack or at least reached him within the chain of command within an hour. How much accurate information do you think was known in an hour of the attack? The who was doing it? The how many? What crystal ball do you think the State Dept had to give such answers? When does the Ball pass from State Dept to Defense Dept as clearly a well armed response would of had to come from Defense not State.
So lets assume that State and Defense both agreed on the facts of the attack, the who is doing it and how strong they were and what weapons they had and they then advised Obama with the best info they could get? How long do you think that would take?
Those questions have already been answer by the State Dept and the Defense Dept internal investigation but you and the non experts on the hill want Obama blood not truth or facts and you assume that the Defense and State Dept both full of career employees will all lie for the President or Hilary?
OK so Obama and Hilary knew and made a decision to do nothing more than was done thinking it was too late to save those lives and didn't want to risk lossing others? How much blood of thiers do you want for that judgement call? Now revisit the GW Bush mistakes and answer what Nikk asked you as a seeker of truth. You don't want truth you want politics.
If English and spelling is how you judge mankind then you are very limited in what you see is of value in mankind. But when you have nothing of value to add to a discussion critizism seems to be the way you idiots on the right think you can dodge a subject. You do understand what the subject of the post was don't you being such a great wizzard of English and all.
Want to say something on the subject of the topic or still pretend your important because of your English skills? I do not recall the Army asking me to pass an English test or spelling test when they ask me to go fight and risk my life for "YOUR Beloved nation" How about it Jack you put your #$%$ on the line with all those English skills or just run your well educatied but without common sense mouth of yours. I guess you would of required a medic pass your little English test before working on you? You want a surgen to spell well or have good hands?
How many plumbers or electrians you give your test too? Oh yea and do you make sure the cop passes your English, spelling test before you allow yourself to be protected by him or a fireman. Your a pompus #$%$ and your kind make OUR Nation weaker not stronger. I guess an adulter is fine with you as long as they can spell or say well turned sentences to their payed for lover.
You stay with your judgement standards as clearly your too stupid to use any other measure to reach an opinion. lol what a joke your kind are.
All you right wing haters and fear and doom lovers has to be really pizzed off that inspite of all that Glen Beck, old Rush and the Whole Fox news as well as the Repub house and Senate the country stock market has long since passed up any market marke that Republicans ever acheived.
Oh wait that long desired inflation is around the corner as been said for years now. But wait we are going broke and nothing but zero taxes on the rich can save us from that. Too much stemulation at too great a cost has yeilded only debt and failure you guys say but you leave out a 15,000 plus stock market.
But wait your last card. Obama has not done anything to get the US to that Market and it would be even higher if Republicans would of won.
Must be hard to Hate one man so much and hate the other party while you continue to make money off their policies lol. But hey let us look only at health care or foreign you know the areas where the Republicans really did nothing or failed totally lol. The party for losser but my my how you guys can hate on your way to the bank.
Well even with the meeting to come it is clear that FRO stock is still a favorite to be played. Having jumped up above 2 bucks and now retreating with nothing new to cause such a move. Vol while up is not run away but the big jumps were caused by big moves pushing the stock UP.
What a gamblers dream but in order to win for sure you have to part of the gamble team.
Even with the meeting to come and whatever comes out of it the stock has not fallen below 1.75 in daily trading which for those with stones looks like an entry point for the next gamble up. Better use stop limits or losses once your in and have a profit to protect as these guys are movers. Good luck to those getting into the game.
You are you right wing Republican get your tail kicked losser lol Clear enough or do you need a pacifier to suck on to make you feel like a winner?
You boys are so easy to play with. No wonder your boys in the house and Senate can only say NO or keep bringing up dead issues your kind do not know how to think at all. Hell if I was stong drunk I could still out think you lossers.
Now go grab your guns suck on the barrels and crawl under your bed and hide some bad #$%$ terrorist might get you if you stay outside lol.
OK you all hide and feel safe with your guns to protect you from your Gov. now better be sure because here comes the word that scares the #$%$ out of you all.
OBAMA OBAMA once for each time he kicked your behind.
Anyway you want to spell it LOSSER is just that.
oh boy listen to the lossers booo hooing. Not once but twice beaten by a black man which a funny name a daddy who was muslin and still he kicked not one but two cry baby Repubs tails.
Bengazi really??? Wow 4 dead and Bush got how many killed and for what?? How many trillions of dollars for our war machine have you right wing war hawks pizzed away and got nothing for it but made defense contractors very rich.
You idiots actually want to talk about a terrorist attack that killed 4 Americans instead of all those WMD's that GW went hunting for and caused the deaths of hundereds of thousands of folks in Iraq both Americans and Iraqi's who only crime was living where GW wanted to see Shock and awe?
Or talk about GW great Victory or Mission Accomplished in Afghan Land.
You right wing war boys really should run and hide evertime adult conversation comes up about foreign policy. Even if Obama paid the terrorist to attack in Bengazi which I am surprised that Glen Beck or some other mad dog on the right has come up with even if he did that his crime would pale compared to the GW Bush Cheney dealth toll. You really want to talk Amerian blood toll in the Middle East lol. Idiots.
goldyhawk unlike you I would not of voted for Clinton if he could of ran again. I thought he should of resigned. When you screw up you should pay a price. Moral failure it seems is rewarded in this country. Ask David Veter how much a price he paid for spending tax payer time and money on his call girl. The folks in La. forgave him since he was a repub but all hated when Clinton did it just as you did and do. The folks in Fla voted for a former CEO who while being paid millions of shareholders money that came from sick Americans his co. was committing fraud. Again nothing wrong with that according to Republican voters. Both parties have their crooks and bad boys and girls and reelection or election should not be their reward. American who vote for such people get exactaly what they deserve.
lesser you just proved my point. People will vote for a known #$%$, liar, cheat and immoral person to take their money (salary) and TRUST them to do what they want done as long as he is of the party they are. A dead dog could win in that dist. if he ran as a republican. That is how stupid the voters are. Mr. Shores wants idiots like those of S. C. to run the country by a simple majority and they show over and over again by such elections as this one and of Alex Hastings (a Demo) that people are too stupid to run a Gov. They expect little and get less but somehow think that by voting for their PARTY all will be well. Shows that we tend to vote more party than person.
In the last Senate races the right wingers in states that were the deep South managed to pick idiots so stupid and offenses that even those of the same party couldnot vote for them. In Ind and Ms the canditates were guilty of being only religious idiots and that alone was enough to defeat them.
In SC howerver a p;roven, #$%$ (thief), Liar, adultereer and Rep;ublican gets elected because as you claim the Demo big problem they were not known for being any of those things but were guilty of being a Demo. What a country. Lets start another war to get our form of demoracy to yet another country lol.
The party of NO you know the one that lost the last two elections. Once again comes with a brillant idea in the right wing nut job house. Repeal obama care. Lol what a bunch of losser. Maybe someone should tell them that old Mitt ran on that idea and he got his tail kicked. But hey the house Republican are a bunch of right wing Southerneers and hillbilly's and Western cowboys that are so out of tune with main stream America that they just keep on recycling their dead ideas to make themselves feel better.
If they want to really do something on health care and get a few votes from anyone who can read maybe they should come up with the idea of setting a price on what drugs can sell for? That would save a ton of money but of course cost them the bribes they get from the Drug co.'s. They control the house but seem to forget that the Senate and President belong to the other party but hey waste time and money with their phony attempt to repeal health care that was a main point debate in the presidental race. You lost get over it lossers. Want to win? Get some new ideas. Follow your boy from Fla on immegration reform? Follow Christie in working for the people that elect you instead of big Corp money. Ok so old Mitch was a poor boy when he went into the Senate over 40 years ago and now is worth 44 million bucks. He just invested his Gov. salary wisely I guess. But hey he is your #$%$ so you love him.
name stealer since you dont even have the balls to use your own name what do I care what you have to say? Cowards don't interest me never have never will. Ball up or shut up.