scs nice try gutless one but still you protect the racist. Why? birds of a feather flock together I suppose.
Unlike you scs I am not afraid to say when I disagree with other "liberals or Demo's" I do not agree with abortion but that is least a quick death while you are for the same Gov you want to outlaw abortion for your religious belief do not for the same religious belief want to see the mother or the child get free health care after the birth or pre natal care and of course you do are against food stamps to those kids. Starving them is somehow Jesus like to you while killing them in the womb is not? How strange you read your bible.
You do not have the guts to show me a racist post I have made yet you Lie like a dog in saying I have.
Your true colors are coming through scs. You claim to be a Christian but refuse to stand up to racist which is clearly not what Jesus wants. James says being a Christian is more than saying you are one but living as one. I am not a Democrat that supports abortion nor as far as I know has Mrs. Obama choose to kill an unborn child. She may be for the right for a women to make that choice but she has two daughters.
I do not think Hillary has ever had an abortion either. While you want to withhold food to children.
That is Your action directly toward a child. Are you for Gov paid for health care for children while in the womb and out of the womb both I now you are against Obama care so just what do you support?
You are clear in what you are against but not in what you support like most right wingers. You also are gutless to stand up to a fellow GOP voter when the spew racist post. Or maybe you agree with him? Got to be one or the other.
Grump maybe in your mind and Lake you have proved your point wonderfully but the reality is just as I said in the very first post The US for 200 years while the nation and population and standard of living were moving upward in ALL classes used tarriffs and quoto's to protect the American market, business and Labor force.
Want to check out how well the standard of living has done for 80% of Americans since GH Bush started the new world order? You ramble on impressing yourself all you want but History shows that for the huge % of American's it was under the tarriff's and quotas that not only produced revenue but also provided for safety and fraud protection from just allowing whatever to come into the country.
But hey what would a follower of the New World Order and a child abuser do but try to paint the best picture he could about what is killing this country slowly but surely. Sadly it is not a GOP thing as many Demo's especially those that have ended up as President like BC and Obama and if HC wins they are all New World Order Demo's. Sanders and Warren are not. So America will most likely elect a child abuser as president as they all deceive the believe any Lie that will fly public.
Grump what a pack of lies and miss direction you attempt . Anyone who knows history knows it was not until the Civil War that income tax was used as tarriff's paid for running the country. After the war it was done away until needed again. Germany, Italy and Japan did indeed suffer war losses but by the early 50's they were all back in business and the US never stopped from the war ramp up to Globalism started killing the job market. The benefits of going off shore are many as it fights unions well, lower wages union or non union and can and does use slave and child labor as well as poor OSHA and EPA type protection. Now please tell me that all you right wingers who hate regulations do not realize that going off shore allows the abuse of labor and the environment as well as safety concerns. That is the type of labor market the US used to have before the Demo party won changes in your beloved care for nothing but profit capitalism.
What mom and pops that are around either sell Globalist made products or they are small "Nick" market operations that offer products that quality rules. I was a racist when I was living in a state where the law required me to be a racist and I have changed what is your excuse? What makes me laugh at you boys on the right is how you rant and rave about illegals in the job market while you embrace globalism. You are against an illegal worker in this country who pay taxes, buy goods and rents and give their children (US born) to your military but you embrace child abuse labor and slave labor and any form of cheap labor abroad and those labors add zero to our eco. I am indeed a Nationalist although to be honest if my family lived overseas I would say good bye to the USA in a heart beat as too many like you are in control in this country and it is doomed to a slow death to your Globalist masters. But what can you expect from child abusers such as you.
nikk Unfortunely time and time again the "facts of life" have proven to be the down fall of many so called smart people. When it comes to sex and the computer it seems like the smart folks are mighty stupid. Perhaps that is why all the concern about the Gov. looking into their phones, computers and financials as they are not smart enough to either not be stupid in their behavior or are not smart enough to know how to not post, chat or buy things of embarrassment on line.
OPM being hacked is something that none who got hacked could do anything about but to post a naughty picture or worded post or to join some "adult" site and then be shocked that "word got out" to me is sad to realize just how addicted to bad habits some folks are. Our Gov and business world is full of these folks who simply can not manage their time correctly or even worse they are in ruins in what they think is their private life. Now for folks like me so dumb that I was trying to figure out who this Ashley Madison was I mean was this yet another new women or some reality show person? Maybe another of the BIG K clan or Jenner K clan?
Only in America or most likely not.
Grump if you addressing me the trade policies I favor are those that the USA had for 200 years. It is funny how you so called conservatives want to go back to the good old days except when it comes to be a globalist.
Nice to know you consider ever US President before GH Bush a Bolshevk and the likes of Hugo Chavez.
If you were addressing me your still wrong. The US achieved it golden period and its people benefited most under the old tariff's and quota system which protect American small business (now mostly gone) and American labor. Yes I am guilty of being an American before the world. Unlike you I have fought for her her and while she is not perfect it was an America Nationalist idea that we defended. The mom and pop business community and the mom and pop manufacturing sector is GONE thanks to your commie trade with China and Viet Nam and the two bit dictators who control the other Asian countries and the greed that has ruled India for centuries that the Brits understood and tapped into. It was that greed and class society propped up by their religion who was propped up by the people of money and power in that country that the brits used to control her for years. Gandhi was trying to change that when he was murdered by a member of the elite upper class.
Nothing new under the sun. The maga Globalist Corps without a care for America or Nationalism has replaced the small middle class and upper middle class owners and the middle and lower class workers with foreign labor owned or controlled by Maga Globalist Corp in some 3rd world Country. Not only do you support child abuse but have no loyalty at all for you country of birth only to your own well being and to the almighty dollar. It is that sort of mind set that a draft dodging piece of #$%$ like Trump can dare call anyone who fought and risked his life for his country whatever he wants too. The non hero's who risked all protected the cowards freedom of speech. Vote for a coward.
nikk an excellent answer and long time since I have heard the words "top of the tower" Refineries of 30 years ago or longer would have had a lot more issues with the different grades as it was "blended" at one time with acid and as a youth drove by the old Gulf refinery and at those dark tank like structures that you had to hold your breath as you passed by them if the wind was right as we drove toward the beach. A refinery today puts out a lot less "SMELL OF MONEY" as the old employees used to call it but they do a lot of things that could not be done back in those days. Gulf was headquartered in Penn but its largest refinery was in Port Arthur where Texas sweet crude was easy to get while the Penn oil had more sulfur in it. Even amoung the "Gulfie" men their was a running joke about the heavy messy oil of Penn. Texaco also had a large plant in Port Arthur and they being a company born in the fields of East Texas ran that good old Texas crude as well.
Still available just does not "Gush" out of the ground as it once did. The Oil traps under the tank farms and lines to loading docks where not there because of environment concerns but to catch and hold the spills. They then nor now want to lose oil back into the ground for $ reason. The same can be said about putting product to the flare. When the night sky was lite up by flares you knew that the plant was dealing with a problem some where of some kind that forced that action (in most cases) I ran a paper route on a road that had a flare 150 yards inside the plant that often flared over the road and sprayed me with rain like drops of God knows what. Those higher than normal wages brought higher than normal cancer to workers as well ::(
energyinvestor "IF" what you claim is true and I think you are wrong but even if it was true so what? What does American People best interest and the best interest of the country have to do with profits for the oil business? Oh lets vote to raise the cost of our gasoline and chemical products and we are all for the oil business making more money at our expense but to ask for our own Gov. to tax us more is somehow an outrage?
Do you think the oil industry does more good for the average American than does their own Gov? I suppose you do but clearly your own self interest in YOU making more money off your investments is why you would like to see oil sent out of the country and not what is best for the nation or its people. Fair enough but have the gonads to say so.
marveque simply because no "NEW" refineries are being built in Cal does not mean that old ones are remodled and increased in complicity. That is certainly what has been going on in Texas. Our refineries have been enlarged and with new techno skills available to them even with environment concerns they operate a lot cheaper than when the workforce was three times as large for half the production. I do not know about Cal but some areas of the country may indeed have tighter laws on environment that others as Texas is surely as generous as the Fed Gov will allow where Cal may be a lot tighter. That is a State rights issue is it not? In the Beaumont/Port Arthur area of Tex All the refineries have been upgraded in the last 15 years and process a lot more oil that before the same can be said for chemical plants in the area as well. Federal laws are surely not restrictive enough to Stop this increase and many of the refineries have found ways to recover in the process what was once lost to them when oil was under 15 bucks a barrel you could lose a lot and still make a lot although even in the old days the refineries tried to restrict flaring and over flows not because of environment concerns but PROFIT was lost. Many of the newer environment requirements have caused new techno inventions that has actually increased the profit margins of the processing of oil.
The market is here for the refined oil and timing of demand and added transportation cost will never allow the US refineries to disappear. The work today a lot cleaner and with less workforce all because of new techno methods just our cars are a lot safer to drive and get better gas mileage both due to Fed rules and regs forced the auto industry to find new ways to build better, safer and cheaper to operate cars. On their on they would never of went in that direction more chrome and bigger engines and fins were their concern until the Feds made them become better car builders.
scs you and nikk have at least both tried to come up with a solution to the problem. I look at your five ideas and his response and your counter response as at least communication that our politicians are not able to engage in because of fear of voters or they are just stupid. However both you guys admit to around 18 million or so illegals in the country and who is me what to do with them. They are working or as many as can except children of course. Both you seem to see that we can not GET RIDE of them. So what to do?
Your ideas are great but fail to address the job market. If any form of registration or work permit etc is the answer then stiff penalties must be imposed on any employer who breaks the law. Stiff meaning VERY STIFF including jail time and high fines. All current labor laws and all other Federal Regs to work force and work force area must be met by employers as well. Without those added to your ideas nothing would stop the flow of fresh illegals into the country. In order to address this problem a way must be found to greatly reduce the influx of illegals and that can only come at the job market. Fences and "POLICING" will not stop it. To admit that would be the first step toward adult problem solving. IF we continue to put up the false idea that somehow we can make our borders "safe" from what ever threat we need to "secure" the country from then we are foolish. It will not work for drugs, illegals and terrorist. That is why we apply a lot more effective methods in terrorism at least which of course means losing some privacy rights which is resisted by a lot of folks that have nothing to fear but fear itself from these Gov. "intrusions" on their email and phones and computers. The real enemy in all these battles are in fact the American People who refuse to take the measure needed to address them so their elected nuts run around lying and giving false hope.
Why would congress vote to export oil while the US is having to import oil?
Sucking up to the Big oil is one answer or to put it more to the point FILLING THEIR POCKETS with oil company money. I own lots of oil stock and have taken a whipping but why should the American people have to bail me and the oil boys out by letting higher priced oil leave the country? Are we looking for ENTITLEMENTS from the Gov?
If the American people are stupid enough to elect people who take big oil money and increase they pay at the pump then let them eat cake for being stupid. I do not think anything but a huge gift to Obama's library would make him not veto such an ignorant move against most Americans but hey money and politics do trump American people best interest in our form of money buys democracy.
Would it benefit me if they passed such a dumb law? Of course would I vote for someone who would pass such a law? No way. But I guess I am just too much an American to sell out where most sold out long ago and march to the drum of the Globalist Child abusing masters they serve.
scs the reference to behavior in the Kingdom of God was directed at members of that Kingdom who also may be citizens of the USA. You in other words if you would say you are in the Kingdom of God which so far you have not? Again to be a member of the Kingdom of God as Paul was means you are breaking the law of Caesar and he did that. He also accepted the penality for such a violation and it was not to vote them out or to rebel or get swords and over throw it was to obey God first and take what the Kingdom of the World (Rome in this case) did to them. Christians of Rome accepte Paul and also tried to spread the Gospel to slaves and illegals and criminals of all kinds to advance the Kingdom of God even if the Kingdom of Rome put them to death for such action. They did not care more about their selves and their families than they did the Kingdom of God as they risked all for the Kingdom sake. You sire are afraid to risk a few tax dollars while they died for the Kingdom. I can see why you would want to deceive yourself in that kind of faith.
The USA can do what they want on their border and their laws it is what the Kingdom OF GOD does within the USA that counts. Do you want to be a good citizens of the USA more than a Good neighbor and spread the Gospel to "criminals"? If so you are serving the Kingdom of the USA and do not fool yourself the Kingdom the USA is NOT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
If you are asking which Kingdom I obey first it is the Kingdom of God. That means that the way I receive and treat ALL is the way the Kingdom of God tells me too. If you believe that the law of the Kingdom of the USA releases you from obeying the Kingdom of God you are WRONG. Are you not to avoid abortion even when it is legal in the USA? Are you not to be a Gay even though it is legal in the USA? You are also to feed the criminal being guilty of being an illegal by the law of the USA but not of the Kingdom of GOD. The KOG has no borders the USA does.
Lake you are wrong. The title Christian does not make on superior to another. Following the teaching of Jesus does. You do not have to be a Christian to try to do that nor does being a Christian mean you will do that.
Clearly taking food out of the mouth of a child to put more tax dollars back into your own family does not please Jesus yet that seems to a core position of many right wing Christians and some not so right wing just selfish. I think a man who learns how to turn the other cheek is superior to one who does not. I think one who learns to forgive instead of holding hate is superior. I think one that treats his neighbor with same means and action as he want for himself is superior. You get where I am going? If you do all that then that makes you a better person (not sure if superior is even the correct word but you used it not me so trying to reply in your terms) I do believe Jesus taught all how to be a better person a selfless person. All Christians fail at this daily that is why we are saved by Grace and not our works. Human nature is self serving and if you do not believe that then you are hopeless the idealistic and not realistic as you accuse me of being.
Are some Demo's both north and south racist and didn't vote for Obama for that reason? Indeed they are.
Did some GOP voters not vote for Obama and they are not racist? Yes Racism is found and not found in both parties. The South and the West remain the strong holds of white voters and many of them vote because of racism. Again anyone who denies this is merely lying or a total idiot one or the other. In some it may be long rooted racism at work the idea that this race is inferior and that you will find in the South a lot. But their also the racism built on fear. The fear that a race will rise up and take over and that causes a "new" type of racism that is based on fear and protectionism for your race. Different but the votes count the same.
scs a huge percentage of white males who vote are in fact in that 47% that Romney dismissed. They are composed of racist, right wing Christians, gun nuts, and folks who want to believe that their lot in life is not as bad as non whites who vote Demo. The majority of the working poor (above the 47%) who are white males also vote GOP for the same reasons. The fact is while minority's tend to vote for eco reasons that directly effect them white males do ot and nor do a lot of white females as well. They are poor or lower eco classes have been most of their lives if not all and will most likely continue to remain that way like most poor of color do also. The whites simply value other things higher than eco matters. Guns and religion being high on the list. Add to that the heavy racism found within the lower eco classes of whites of both sexes and you see that there is no need for a GOP candidate to worry about the white poor vote. They can do as they please with eco policies as long as they are white or anti minority policies pro gun, anti abortion and anti gay and hate the Fed Gov who keeps most of them alive and gives them what little health and well-fare protection they have with labor laws and OSHA and EPA. Again whites do not seem to care about their own personal well being come election time. They will rant and rave when their elected official puts the knife in their back and twist it but can still be counted on to go back to the polls and vote GOP again regardless of how much blood the GOP takes out of them. 80% of all church going lower class eco whites I know vote GOP regardless of who runs and those mostly because of religion and guns which in itself is a strange bed fellow but to them it makes perfect sense. Some even know that the GOP takes care of the rich and not them but still vote GOP.
It was the poor that took such offense at Romney's statement but the ind's I doubt he lost 1% of votes from the 47% because of that.
Mr. BS while charts are a tool I do not believe they are as import as unfolding events. Why would FRO make a nice move up while rates went down? Because the upcoming 2nd quarter release and the expected good news it was to produce. A chart can not show that. A chart moves one way or the other because of events either in a sector, a market (like the last week china worries) or in the company itself ( good quarter and improving sector or bad both ways) Now if the events become LT events then the chart will reflect the move accurately but if the event proves to be a fluke or ST scare then the chart will also reflect the "fluke".
I agreed that I see nothing but rates that would hold up FRO or advance it and the chart will record not produce that. Some things that can change it are folks look at a .44 profit for a year and the EPS that would mean to an investor and make a decision to buy or short upon the probability of the .44 being a happening or more or less. The chart could indeed reflect how the market feels about that event. The overall Global outlook for eco is another worry that has and will continue to effect the chart because it IS effecting the price of FRO given the fall in price today much less than the market fall at present but being dragged down by the market. The reality is how much oil shipment will a down turned China eco still need? Will they cut back on demand thus shipments or merely slow their demand? Europe which is being helped a lot by cheap oil across the general eco will it slow its demand for oil and where will they find? Again this answer not a chart will tell but the chart will only reflect the answer. Again if the answer is correct the chart will be and if wrong the chart will show wrong assumptions. The price of oil of course figures into all this and a slow global eco will indeed mean less pressure on oil demand which may or may not mean higher rates for shippers. Its all rather a #$%$ shot in the end.
Great points mark. chkr is controlled by chk which I used to own and made some money off of but it too was always a big under performer and the CEO at that time was questionable to say the least and took his money and got thrown out. I think that the wells are suppose to be done in 2016 and the sub come on board in the 2nd or 3rd quarter but I am not sure.
What is sad is to see this stock go up based on oil recovering about 15-20% in price . For this stock to have any chance at all of keeping the distribution where it is this quarter you will need 90 buck oil and that is not going to happen. As you said oil is not their main stick and they give away their NG or sell it to CHK? That is what I always thought they were doing or some other "brother in law" deal. A co. owned or controlled by the old CEO who knows. The only way to find out to attend the trustees meeting and try to force them to go public with who they sell NG too and at what price. The location of CHKR Trust is not out in boonies but in an area long used as oil and NG production area and thus lots of pipelines (transportation cost) are available.
Chkr sold NG for 1.05 and PER at same time got 1.76. Tell me something is not rotten in CHKR operation not with those numbers. PER is more oil than CHKR as well. I do think by 2019 NG will be the place to be as LNG will be a big export but that will only help if your getting a fair price for it which CHKR is yet to prove they can do. I am not sure how much the "Trustees" are paid but if 1.05 cents is the best they can do they need to be fired or their pay cut. Now I remember why I was so happy to take my loss and walk away from these guys. Not worth the stress lol. MM boys are running it up after buying in and they will run it up to a point then take it down again that is how they play that game. Wall street is the most crooked game in town and the mob ran a fairer game in Vegas than Wall Street is ran.
Lake just where do you see me saying that? Truth can and should be a virtue of all mankind so please stop saying that I said things I did or you will be not only non christian but also not a very good example of a non believer. A Christian does not the option of NOT having compassion as it is a gift of the Holy Spirt and a Command by Jesus. Too many Christians seem to think that the US const. is more important that the teaching of the son of God. They love it when they want to outlaw things such as abortion and gay lifestyle and marriage but when it comes to taxes which on the one hand they cry about too much going to the poor and on the other they say they want to help the poor. Children are especially defended by Jesus and any Christian that has read the Gospel's knows that is TRUTH. Better have a mill stone around your neck and be tossed into the sea than to "suffer" one of the children. Jesus does not say legal only children or American Children only or children of working people or children of non drug addicts. He said CHILDREN period.
One who follows the teaching of Jesus or claims too are not allowed to PICK and choose which children are to be included or excluded. Unfortunately the right wing American Christians will vote for those that favor child abuse of any sorts since to them the BIG sins are abortion and Gay life. Jesus never mention either as Judgement issues when he returns but it seems that American Christian on the right really do not care much what Jesus has to say given how poorly they practice His teaching. When you do this to the least of them you have done it to me. That is both good things and bad things. Children, the poor, Widows and those in prison (criminals) are mentions women who had abortions are not nor or gays. Some have not ever read their bibles but most bend a knee more to American ideas of Christianity than Jesus. If you practice compassion such love covers a lot of sin.
scs again you have stated you are a christian have you not? Are you not? What part of love your neighbor allows you to be only concerned about you and your families welfare? God not I will judge how much love we all give to our neighbor but I know you are able to pay more in taxes without harm to your family or more importantly to not want to take away from those women and children that are your neighbors that need help at your present tax rate. You speak in theory not in how you live as you sir are not poor and your taxes the lowest in 40 years is not harming your family. But a selfish example and a non neighbor help and loving attitude will teach your family what Dad really believed not what he said.
I see you lact the Guts or honesty to address rje post as I said you would not.
You claim I speak for you yet you do not say that rje is racist in his post so indeed it does take one to know one and you are one. I grew up and put away my child like ways of racism when I met the Great Teacher and Master and racism is sin.
Racism cause by fear of financial loss to yourself with no concern for well being of others is selfish sin.
Defend yourself with a simple yes or no on rje post and if you say it is racist I will be first to say you stood up and called a racist a racist but I have never seen you do that and this is the second time you have dodged the TRUTH. Know the Truth and it will set you free do you really know the Truth?
scs you have stated you are a Christian. If you are does the Kingdom of God have boundaries? Does the Kingdom of God have legals and illegals? In other words you have told me what your "American" way of looking at all the "illegals" that have came to the US. You see them as illegals Criminals you say. Just as Nero saw the Christians within his empire and great city. We Christians spend billions dollars every year sending missionaries to foreign land to bring the Good News of Jesus Christ to them and yet when come into the border of the US into the city where those same churches are located what do they hear?
Do they the voice of those within the Kingdom of God or do they hear the voice of the American Christian calling the criminals. You are anti abortion and anti gay as you should be against sin but do you really think your response to those who are illegally coming into the US as a member of the Kingdom of God should be calling them criminals and wanting the out of the country? Please remember that under Roman Law ALL Christians were illegally and they were criminals yet they and legals of the Roman empire did all they could too make ALL welcome and to include not exclude and to Take the Gospel to all not based on borders or legal or illegal. When did that change? Do you think Paul and Peter and all but John were killed by not being found to be criminals? They were under the law legally killed for being criminals. Maybe they wrong for not becoming legal? All they had to do was deny Christ and bow before the Empire of Rome and its borders.
Also in all you GOP boys post I see not one mention of doing anything against the person hiring the illegals? Nothing. Why not strip away their citizenship as well? If they are caught hiring illegals how many times before that would happen? How many times before you seize their business? How many times before jail? You go on and put your faith in fences and cops and military it will fail.
Lake Carson will get about as many Hispanic votes as Trump and less black votes than Trump would and you are correct the #$%$ south males would stay home and turnout would be hurt. Carson would still win some Southern States because he would be NOT DEMO but in S. States that are swing states like NC, VA and FLA I think a Demo would win. Texas would go for a dead GOP as would La, Miss, Alb, Geo,SC,OK, Tenn
W. VA and Ark would be interesting. Trump would be a stronger runner in ALL these states and only Fla, VA and NC would be a race. IMHO Same for a lot of Western States as well with NM and Col going Demo with Hispanic vote the rest GOP. Nev ? The popular vote would be about like the 2008 vote if either ran and not as good as McCain did. That is my wild guess.