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Cytori Therapeutics, Inc. Message Board

rothco619 133 posts  |  Last Activity: 17 hours ago Member since: Aug 29, 2007
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    Reality check

    by gibis Mar 16, 2014 11:27 AM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 17, 2014 10:04 AM Flag

    I found the below from 10k files on Friday a bit discincerting in terms of generating revenues.

    The future: We expect to continue to generate product revenues from a mix of Celution� and StemSource� System and consumables sales. We will sell the products to a diverse group of distributors and partners in Europe, Asia and the U.S., who may apply the products towards reconstructive surgery, soft tissue repair, research, aesthetics, and cell and tissue banking as approved in each country. Additionally, as a result of Class I Device Clearance for Celution� and a number of our other products in Japan, we anticipate to sell these products to researchers at academic hospitals seeking to perform investigator-initiated and funded studies using Cytori's Cell Therapy. As a result of sale of our Puregraft� product line discussed in note 5 on the Consolidated Financial Statements, we do not expect significant revenues from that product line in the foreseeable future.

  • Reply to

    Reality check

    by gibis Mar 16, 2014 11:27 AM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 16, 2014 2:56 PM Flag

    your points are all well taken and those that won't acknowledge what you say are only burying there heads in the sand. Mangement is all too quiet and has not been held accountable. The same excuses and the non performance is accepted by shareholders and nothing is going to change to put an effective mangement team in place. It is a sad state of affairs.

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    Will short until $2.65.. Will then start buying

    by jmw6969 Mar 13, 2014 10:41 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 14, 2014 11:02 AM Flag

    pathetic way to make money ,thanks 1

  • Reply to

    Will short until $2.65.. Will then start buying

    by jmw6969 Mar 13, 2014 10:41 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 14, 2014 8:27 AM Flag

    Yank why are you cut and pasting my posts ?

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 11:03 PM Flag

    honestly who cares about the purchase of machines at this point that is all plus dollars well and good. the 56 million has zero to do with the purchase of machines. lets not put the car before the horse and get through this phase of financing. As a matter of fact in the entire 106 million contract none of that money has anything to do with purhcase of machines that is all over and above just as consumables are all over and above the 106 million value of the contract. Show me the money.

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 3:18 PM Flag

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    BARDA Upside Not Appreciated by Investors

    by wall_street_titan Mar 13, 2014 12:39 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 1:02 PM Flag

    Wall street. This is where the lack of credibility hurts. It all sounds really good but will it come to fruition. As an educated long term investor who has been through this for years I have my doubts.Remeber , Hedricks was the same guy who told us 2 +years ago that revenues generated from the EU on breast reimbursements would drive Cytori to break even and that was without approval sin the USA. That never happened, just like most of what we have been told has never happened as planned. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched especially with Cytori track record. It is with great financial pain that i make these admissions to myself. it is what it is and one can never be to careful when it come to anything this management team reports. Thus the action we are seeing now.

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    Going Down

    by franshei Mar 13, 2014 11:36 AM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 12:27 PM Flag

    Think you have new investors that bought in leading up to the call over the $3 level. Having not done there DD to know the trials and tribulations of CYTX had high expectatuions for the conference call. as the call was void of any real positive news and revenues were disappointing although completely predictable they are selling to cut there losses. Many are disappointed as hopes were high that things might finally start to break out. Unless one is a gambler probably best to wait for BARDA news and if positive buy then . You'll pay more but have the peace of mind that this is in the bag instead of the fear that BARDA will be a bust as most everything else has to date.. I think it's got at leas another .50 to the downside.before reversal. Roth conference was pretty much a non event so no positive catalyst for months. Barring a suprise, and CYTORI has yet to surprise with good news.

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    DOV, how do your associates feel owning 3 million

    by jmw6969 Mar 13, 2014 9:44 AM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 10:23 AM Flag

    Hedge nothing comical about it. Way too much at stake. As you said call was not terrible but lack of credibility is what is killing CYTORI. Even when I hear what sounds reasonable, I can put no faith that it is at all accurate. I have no reason to believe in time lines etc. When you look back can you think of any guidance that was given that actually came to fruition on a timely basis. What keeps me here is that I know this is not a scam and that technology is real as have the millions of real dollars spent on research. I just have to believe CYTORI would be so much further down the road with better leadership and that is frustrating.

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 9:42 AM Flag

    Noticed an error in above that would be COB Rickey who is respondsible for compensation not CEO.

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 13, 2014 9:40 AM Flag

    you can't seriously expect him to respond to you on a YMB that just ridiculous. Your premise may in fact be correct but seriously.

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 5:11 PM Flag

    Because Rickey the G-D CEO was in charge of compensation before he became ceo and authorized the over payment of all these overpaid managers. Shores should have been long gone and as revenues fell short due to lack of sales no matter how they spin it the buck should stop somewhere an Shores should be held accountable. Thing is nobody in upper management is held accountable for anything. They get paid big, get big options and continue to fail to deliver. They should all benefit when we do and that is when the G-D PPS rises to respectability.

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    by rothco619 Mar 11, 2014 9:42 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 3:15 PM Flag

    Well looks like I was righ and with market closing in less then a hour lower then I thought but maybe a bounce before close. Doesn't really matter is this is just the traders having a field day. Cytori has become predictable. It hit $3.25 day before call as I had written back in Feb sold off profit taking by traders. Now sell off by new investors that bought in on the hype. Rinse wash repeat. We go down a few days and hopefully back up above $3 so the traders and shorts win again. Cytori not for the faint of heart and aggavating as hell for us long term Cytori stuckhiolders

  • Reply to

    Just Out From MAXIM

    by rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:05 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 2:47 PM Flag

    Bundle the above is a Maxim report. written by Jasomn Kolbert if you listened to yeserday call you heard him ask a question. On Roth I just listened to the presentation and there was nothing new from yesterday. Unfortunately we were not taken to the breakout room to listen to Q&A. There is a regular poster on the YMB who was at the Roth conference so maybe he will post later.

  • Reply to

    Just Out From MIXAM

    by glaschutte Mar 12, 2014 12:18 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 1:22 PM Flag

    the $10 target is for next year not 2020.

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    Just Out From MAXIM

    by rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:05 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:11 PM Flag

    ATHENA: Designed to optimize the path towards approval. Endpoints that might be possible in a pivotal program could include functional QOL endpoints (versus mortality and rehospitalization trial endpoints). This would translate into faster, smaller trials and a quicker path to market. We believe this is a direct result of the unique device pathway that Cytori is pursuing, which is not an option for competitors in this space.

    3. BARDA: Cytori has met its three key milestones and submitted to BARDA. These include the development/validation of a next generation system, demonstrating that exposed patients (burns and radiation) can supply cells (their own cells) and show efficacy in the target indication (burn repair). The next tranche of revenues from BARDA could equal $56M and, as such, would be transformative for the company, but we recognize that much of the funds will go to pay for clinical work.

    4. Sports medicine: The RECOVER trial. Cytori is now FDA approved to expand the RECOVER trial to a multi-dose, multi-center, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Cytori’s RECOVER trial will evaluate patients with Grade II tears of the hamstring muscle. RECOVER will initially enroll 10 patients in the United States. The first 10 patients will be given one of two doses of cell therapy (open-label), with the first five patients receiving the lower dose and the second five patients receiving the higher dose. Once the safety and feasibility of administering the therapy is confirmed in the first 10 patients (Part A), Cytori has the option to expand RECOVER to include an additional 60 patients in the multi-center, double-blind, placebo-controlled phase of the trial (Part B). The 60 patients would be divided into three groups of 20 patients. Patients in the three groups will receive a lower dose, a higher dose, or the placebo. The study will assess safety and tolerability and evaluate the effect of the cells on how fast the muscle tear heals (ultrasound and MRI), muscle strength, muscle function, and pain. The timeline to complete the first phase of the study will be provided once the trial is initiated and Cytori is able to forecast enrollment.

    5. The competitive landscape is actually helping. Only one competitor has begun a phase III trial in the cardiovascular space (but that trial is large and should take some time—two or more years—to enroll), so the gap between PII and PIII has not widened while ATHENA was delayed. Again, the delay may actually be okay, as we believe it is a result of Cytori carefully planning and building the infrastructure to run a larger pivotal program.

    6. Japan is coming. Having operated in Japan for a decade, we believe that Cytori has ideal positioning to capture what may be one of the largest opportunities in the cell therapy space as fast-track regulations emerge that may allow therapeutic approval’s based on a single modestly powered trial.

    7. China too: Lorem will also be in a position to open up China, Singapore, and Australia.

    8. Good data in the cell therapy landscape could trigger a gold rush. A wide range of data results and related clinic events should play out over the coming year. These include: Proof-of-concept studies in stroke and ulcerative colitis are coming up on results from three Phase II trials. Four pivotal trials in GvHD, CHF, DDD, and fusion are set to begin. Other trials in exciting areas such as AMD and spinal paralysis should complete enrollment and may have top-line data in 2014.

    We believe the net result will be for investors to begin to ask: If this company has good data, what else exists in the space?


  • Reply to

    Just Out From MAXIM

    by rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:05 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:07 PM Flag

    Valuation. Basing the valuation on our assumptions in CMI (we expect 2020 EPS of $11.04) and discounting back at 30% yields a $10 price target.

    A Few Key Points that Investors Should Consider:

    1. Cytori raised $24 million at $3.00 a share (a significant premium) last year—a good raise that has other benefits. Cytori’s revenue line should build now as a result of the Lorem partnership, and this build should help finance the clinical programs, which we ultimately see as the principal value driver for the company.

    2. The timeline for ATHENA is now on track. Based on our discussions with the direct managers responsible for the sites, we believe the company is executing a great phase II trial that can be used to leverage into a pivotal trial. All eight sites are screening patients, and the 23rd patient has now been enrolled (it’s approximately halfway completed). Enrollment could complete by Q2/Q3-2013. Top-line data could arrive in early 2015. ATHENA II has already begun enrolling patients in parallel with ATHENA I, keeping the momentum going and paving the way for a pivotal program for the company.

    We remain focused on ATHENA as the principal driver. Recall that ATHENA I is an N=45 PII study at eight centers, most of which are now up and running. ATHENA II has also begun to enroll an additional 45 patients (high dose) at 10 centers. ATHENA I is expected to complete enrollment by this summer. Critical for investors to understand is that Cytori still has certain strategic advantages in the race (based on the regulatory pathway and what will be determined as the acceptable endpoints for the trial) to be the first approved cell therapy for cardiovascular disease, although the window is closing. We are excited to watch the progress.

    ATHENA: Designed to optimize the path towards approval. Endpoints that might be possible in a pivotal program could include functional QOL endpoints (versus mortality and rehospitalization trial endpoints). T

  • rothco619 by rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 12:05 PM Flag

    Cytori Quarterly Update and 2014 Outlook

    Ø Cytori reported total revenues for the full year of $12.2 million. For 4Q, product revenues were below our expectations at $2.7M (we had expected a year-end ramp of $7M); however, we note that product revenues excluded $3.6 million in shipments to customers in 2013, which are expected to be recognized as revenue in 2014. Cytori ended the year with $15.5 million of cash and cash equivalents and $4.2 million in accounts receivable. In January 2014, Cytori received an additional $9 million upon completion of the second closing of the previously announced Lorem Vascular stock purchase agreement. With a potential BARDA award pending and clinical trials now enrolling, we believe 2014 could be a major year of transition for the company. Please see our comments on the next page.

    2013 and Year-To-Date Highlights: (from Cytori):

    o Activated enrollment in all eight ATHENA sites and first ATHENA II site

    o Achieved all three planned contract milestones related to BARDA contract

    o Achieved FDA Investigational Device Exemption (IDE) approval for a hamstring injury clinical trial

    o Received Intravase CE Mark approval to enable vascular use in the EU

    o Received marketing approvals for the Celution System in Australia, Serbia, and Singapore

    o Divested non-core Puregraft product for $5 million upfront and up to $10 million in future royalties

    o Formed commercialization partnership with Lorem Vascular

    o Refinanced term loan to extend maturity to 2017

    2014 Operating Goals: (from Cytori):

    o Complete ATHENA enrollment and make substantial enrollment progress in ATHENA II (both trials have begun)

    o Publish long-term outcomes from European PRECISE trial

    o Advance BARDA contract into the next phases, including a U.S. feasibility trial and expanded research and development

    o Achieve approval for the Celution System in China

    o Grow research product sales in existing and new markets through new partnership

  • Reply to

    Confidence building

    by doctor_of_value Mar 10, 2014 9:10 PM
    rothco619 rothco619 Mar 12, 2014 10:29 AM Flag

    DoV what were your impressions related to the earnings call ?

  • rothco619 rothco619 Mar 11, 2014 10:58 PM Flag

    jason is luke warm i think

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