JPMorgan is one of the underwriters of the IPO and secondary offering. These morons don't understand how the underwriters are granted large blocks of shares as part of the underwriting process. JPMorgan got shares at $25, so of course they're going to put out some unrealistic price target well above their cost basis, especially when the share price is encroaching on breaking below their cost basis. Petulant_Child_@_8 likes to make a bad joke about the "tote bag theory" when in fact the tote bag is symbolic of the shares granted to them as part of the IPO and secondary (and most likely tertiary offering to be announced in the near future, since the only way Pandora can generate cash is to offer more stock).
WOW! Did you see that amazing lineup!! This concert series could also be name the One-Hit Wonder Tour!
I'd rather watch socks dry while being waterboarded and listening to fingernails being s#$%$ed across a chalkboard. Is this the content that Pandora is cutting deals for? Who listens to this #$%$?
When is the last time you enlightened the board with anything intelligent, insightful or informed? Conjecture and opinion are not facts, but that's all you spew. That and copy/pastes of other people's posts, which only serve to show you have nothing constructive to say.
Your barbs and childish humor ring hollow. If you have such strong convictions and can refute statements and facts that are contradictory to your narrative, and are based in reality and facts, then why avoid a discussion rather than resorting to mindless responses?
IMO, you don't know what you're talking about, which is why you can't hold an educated and adult debate over the possibilities or lack thereof in this company. I think there are far more on this board that would agree with that than would back you and your ignorance.
First off, the latest figures for the radio ad market is approximated at $16 billion, not $15 billion. And since I know you won't answer Edward's question, the quick math shows that Pandora is capturing a whopping 4% of the radio ad market.
It also speaks volumes that Pandora won't focus on subs....because the conversion rate for subs is pathetic. Rough estimates show a conversion rate of less than 1.4%. If Pandora was so fabulous, wouldn't more people be willing to pay for the service and eliminate ads? Who the hell wants or listens to ads anymore? When you watch TV, do you sit there waiting for the commercials, or do you get up and do other stuff during commercial breaks, or skip them completely with a DVR? As growth stalls, Pandora's only option will be to force more ads down user's throats, which will in turn annoy users who will then move on to better services.
There you go again with your incessant diversionary tactics when faced with the FACTS. You stated LPM's (CPM's to most of us educated people) would be decreasing, which is clearly not the case, and instead of addressing the facts presented to you that royalties will be HIGHER with these new deals (according to that article), you resort to your MO of ignoring the informed and intelligent contradictory views by acting like the child you are.
I see your buddy p_in_space is about as intelligent as you are. You two are good for each other, since you both have the mentality of a 5 year old.
From the article "Pandora Signs Music Rights Deal With BMG":
Even though BMG remains a part of Ascap and BMI, it bypassed them by making the direct deal with Pandora, for what analysts believe is a higher royalty rate than those organizations — which are governed by decades-old federal regulation — are able to obtain on their own.
Another interesting bit in that same article:
Last month...Pandora struck a deal with Merlin, a group that represents thousands of independent record companies in digital licensing negotiations. That deal is believed to pay the record labels slightly better royalty rates than would be available through the compulsory licensing terms available to Pandora under United States copyright law.
Sort of goes against your claim of decreasing LPM's, eh?
Here's an appropriate copy/paste post from one of your fellow pumpers in another thread:
p_in_singapore • 8 hours ago
Have you done any dd, this all just looks like all fluffy “opinion” any backup info?
So much for using this board to exchange “intelligent” investment information.
Prepare to be flamed by the emotional longs/pumpers on here that wear blinders and will never accept a contradictory view of their beloved jukebox randomizer.
Al...pathetic doesn't even come close. It's obsessive at this point, considering he has to have a file that he saves all my posts in to go to for his copy/paste sprees.
I don't expect anything better from him anyway...he's a petulant child using the schoolyard equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I"?
My nieces and nephews are more intelligent and well spoken than P@8 is, and they're 7-10 years old, so it just goes to show what kind of mentality P@8 has.
You repost my stuff to try to prove some unknown point, and because you have nothing constructive or intelligent to say, but instead you just reinforce my points about your greed and ignorance. It's over a year since that post, and you still haven't locked in your gains, and have lost money that you could have banked. Hope you're still around to repost these things when your precious emotional investment is back at the levels it was back then. This POS was pumped up over 117% from that level a year ago, and you just sat and watched as it peaked and then plummeted. And there are only a few reasons any sane person would not have locked in those gains: greed, or your cost basis is much higher than $8 so the gains aren't what you claim to have. Sorry loser, but you blew it.
I heard Fisher Price is going to make an offer so they can get Pandora accessibility in Power Wheel vehicles and Little People toys. Seems like a good match, and then P@8 could finally afford a car with Pandora "installed".
That would be what someone who "stands behind their convictions" would do. I mean, if "the best is yet to come" at $40, buying more now is a no-brainer (no pun intended P@8).
"I'm in for the long haul."
How long do you really think this company can survive in a constantly evolving world? It's not like Pandora holds the only patent for the cure to cancer.
You claim to have a cost basis of $8, which if true, means you're greedy and ignorant to have not sold when this thing was in the high $30's. Anyone lucky enough to see a 400% gain in any stock and chooses not to lock in those gains is beyond idiotic. If you're not trading, and just holding, you're losing money.
So are you really that dumb, or is your cost basis a lot higher than $8? I'll give you the benefit of doubt (not sure why as you certainly don't deserve it) and assume you're lying about your cost basis, though that in itself shows you're trying to hide something. There is not a single good reason to have not locked in those gains, unless of course you really didn't have a 400-500% gain.
This company has seen it's day, and with stalling growth, the plethora of competition, and increasing costs, it's highly doubtful you'll see that $40 mark again. If history has taught anything (and you obviously weren't paying attention), it's that companies like this are fads, and will fade away into obscurity like so many fads before it.
If your reply was to me, please note that my post was in response to p@8's blatant ignorance, lack of educated thought, and incessant petulance.
However, IF SiriusXm were to consider Pandora to be of any value, it would be a buyout, not a merger. Pandora doesn't add any value to the SiriusXM model, and considering the internet streaming features of SXM are far better than what Pandora offers, it doesn't make much sense at all to throw money at a failing business.
"Pandora...should earn between 16 and 19 cents this year."
You and P@8 seriously need to take a course in finance. That EPS estimate is non-GAAP, which excludes some very large expenses that are "added back" for purposes of presentation (stock based compensation being one). Pandora will report more losses this year, just as they have every year since inception well over 10 years ago. Pandora's GAAP EPS for the 6 months ended 6/30/13 is $(0.20)...what's their estimate for GAAP EPS for the full year?
Just because companies are allowed to report non-GAAP EPS and earnings doesn't mean those other expenses aren't being incurred.
Keep yapping fool. Do you have any understanding of cash flow? Do you know how to read a cash flow statement? If you did, you'd note that SIRI is on track to record free cash flow of over $1 BILLION this year.
You also repeatedly show your ignorance of the concept of leverage, which most large companies employ. The fact that SIRI is repurchasing shares shows the company is serious about returning value to shareholder. Pandora has no debt, but also had to issue a secondary stock offering to raise cash, due to a broken business model that results in losses EVERY quarter.
Since you're such an expert, maybe you can explain why Pandora has reported an decrease in cash and cash equivalents of $284 million since 10/31/13. How much longer until Pandora issues more stock, or incurs debt to avoid running out of cash?
Ah yes, there it is. The Pandora pumper/long M.O. It's typical of any long on this board, (suspiciously similar to P@8's tact), to run away and ignore any contradictory position. It speaks volumes that you and your ilk can't and won't debate anyone who doesn't blindly follow the herd. Maybe now you can just resort to copying/pasting the old posts of mine that P@8 has gone to great lengths to compile in his secret love file on me and copies and pastes on a daily basis.
Enjoy watching your unrealized gains vanish, because if you haven't locked in any gains at this point, what little you have left will begin to shrink over the coming years. Or did you magically buy in at the all-time low too (lol)?
This POS is overpriced, even if able to execute beyond perfection, and the Wall St. pump is beginning to fade as the failed business model reveals more and more weakness going forward.
Pandora added just over 3.7 million listeners from Sep13-Jun14. Apple added 41 million in the same period. It's fairly obvious that iTunes Radio is growing rapidly while Pandora growth is stalling, and again, Apple did this in 9 months as compared to Pandora taking 12 years to reach that number (they reported 40M listeners in Oct11).
Also, it's no mystery that Pandora users create multiple accounts to get around the skip limits that Pandora has to abide by (six skips amongst all stations allowed per hour, twelve total skips every 24 hours). Why wouldn't users create new accounts when they reached the skip limit rather than be forced to listen to numerous songs they don't want to hear?
Finally, with regards to iRadio, if one selects a "featured" station, of course it will consist of songs that are not necessarily what you want to hear (just as I'm sure the "sponsored" stations on Pandora will). However it's simple enough to customize and make your own iRadio station based on songs/artists/genres (with a exponentially larger catalog to choose from), and each station created can be personalized with the same concept as Pandora (play more like this, never play this) in addition to a slider bar to further curate songs in the same vein as what is being played. BTW, the buy button is there so that the artists that create the music people like can actually get paid meaningful royalties, as opposed to the pittance Pandora pays and still complains about.
I have to ask again: Do you really have such a pathetic, meaningless life that you resort to saving all of my posts in a quick reference file so you can copy/paste the same handful of posts over and over and over? You're a sad, little man with a serious inferiority complex, evidenced primarily by your ID.