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smaycs4 295 posts  |  Last Activity: 18 hours ago Member since: Oct 14, 2011
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  • No filing yet. Does someone know something ?

    My partial sale at $14.92 is looking good right now.

    Still, its hard to believe they would have announced this just to abandon it.

    Financing shouldn't be a problem.

  • The only thing that will be transformed is your money is transformed to the scammers pockets.

    Just like the true believers of 10-12 years ago.

  • Reply to

    This cage rattler is adding value

    by smaycs4 Jan 23, 2015 6:42 AM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 23, 2015 10:42 AM Flag

    Biglari is taking them seriously. He is making changes, he bought positions in 2 of their companies. He knows he could lose control here if he doesn't.

  • Lets see how many hours it takes whatsitsface to comment.

  • WTSL and CACH might be a good combo pair to buy. My thinking was one would go under and the other would double or triple.

    I was wrong. WTSL filed for bankruptcy and CACH will next week. Both stocks are going to be zeros.

    Glad I didn't buy either.

  • 14.26 million shares short at 10/31.

    So looks like almost 2 million covered over the final 2 months of the year.

    Not sure what to make of it.

    Jan 29th after the market close we should know more.

    New 13g/a filed by Blackrock. They are at 8.8%.
    Last year they were 8.2%.

    Similar activity with blackrock & PBY. They increased their position slightly by .1%.

    I believe blackrock doesn't pick stocks, they just own them.

  • Yahoo doesn't even know how many shares outstanding.

    So we don't know the marketcap. We have an enterprise value of $22 million.

    I submit it SHOULD be less than $1 million.

    There is nothing of value here. Its all smoke & mirrors.

    I anticipate at least an 85% decline in value within the next few years.

    So 4 cents is my target price and then they will have ANOTHER reverse split & rinse & repeat.

    Market Makers should be short the most their firm will allow them.

  • Even if they fail.
    Dear Members of the Board of Directors:

    We believe that good corporate governance practices can drive significant value to all shareholders, as well as accrue to the benefit of management over the long-term. In this regard, we are concerned that board practices of Biglari Holdings Inc. (the "Company") have ranked at the bottom of the possible range of the ISS Governance QuickScore, and that ISS has commented repeatedly on the outsized Chief Executive Officer (CEO) compensation not being in alignment with company performance. So, we are proposing a corporate governance reform plan to the Board of Directors. Specifically, we believe the Board should implement the following actions as soon as possible:
    •Redeem the Company's limited partner interests in The Lion Fund, L.P. and The Lion Fund II, L.P. (collectively, the "investment partnerships"), with the redemption being effected in-kind.
    •After the in-kind redemption of the Company's limited partner interests in the investment partnerships, retire or treat as treasury shares all of the Company's shares formerly held by the investment partnerships, and implement a binding Company policy that all shares of the Company that are held by affiliates of the Company, where the Company funded, directly or indirectly, the purchase of such shares, are either not voted on matters brought before shareholders of the Company, or are mirror voted based on the votes cast by shareholders unaffiliated with such affiliates.
    •Eliminate the licensing agreement between the Company and its CEO.
    •Establish a binding Company policy that all direct and indirect compensation of Mr. Sardar Biglari, including compensation and fees received from investment partnerships in which the Company (or any of its subsidiaries) is a limited partner, and Mr. Biglari or his affiliate is the general partner, be approved by a Committee of the Board of Directors that is comprised of (1) members who have no long-time association with Mr. Biglari or any members of management of the Company, and (2) members who are independent in accordance with the director independence standards of the New York Stock Exchange.
    •Restructure the composition of the Company's Board of Directors by appointing to the Board (a) two members elected by the Company's current management; (b) two members elected by Groveland Master Fund Ltd., formerly known as Groveland Hedged Credit Master Fund Ltd. ("Groveland"), with both such members being independent in accordance with the director independence standards of the New York Stock Exchange; and (c) two members elected jointly by the Company's current management and Groveland, with both such members being independent in accordance with the director independence standards of the New York Stock Exchange and both being selected from a list of 10 candidates prepared by a nationally recognized director search firm.

    We request that the Board of Directors adopt the governance reform plan outlined above, in advance of the 2015 Annual Meeting. This will save the Company the time and expense of a proxy contest and allow management to focus on the day to day management of the Company.

    Please feel free to call me at anytime at 612-843-4302. Please distribute a copy of this letter to every member of the Board of Directors. We look forward to a prompt response from the Board.

  • Reply to

    Man, this company sure is a mess

    by smaycs4 Jan 11, 2015 1:00 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 23, 2015 6:19 AM Flag

    $10 tender offer on one hand, the special committee saying its worth $13+ on the other.

    Does Steel just need 50.01% ? If so, they might get it owning 39%.

    Im thinking I wont vote for Steel though, because they are low balling us. If they wanted to offer $11.50-12.00, they might get my vote.

    But, if they don't get it, whose to say we wont fall back to $7 again.

    Id like the board to commit to buying back all the stock they can get at $8.50 or lower for the next 5 years.

  • Reply to

    time to hire a ceo

    by smaycs4 Jan 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 23, 2015 2:50 AM Flag

    13g's don't generally move stocks. They are late. Usually too late to act on either way.
    I didn't see the bad reporting but it happens.

    And Blackrock like many others, don't really pick stocks, they just invest in many stocks.

  • Shows as a special dividend rather than a liquidation.

    I don't know how we ended up with anything but Im glad to get my seed money back. I had assumed this was a zero as it appeared the guys in charge were crooked. Or looked that way anyway.

    I took a flyer on 11/23/09 thinking that the 13d holder might make something happen as their cost was much higher than mine. I paid 10 cents, I recall them paying 18 cents for a block.

    Not sure if liability insurance just chipped in a dime per share or what ?

    Will try to find out.

  • And the loss of 95-97% of shareholder value ?


    Case Id: 30-2014-00742642-CU-DF-CJC

  • Reply to

    time to hire a ceo

    by smaycs4 Jan 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 22, 2015 9:54 PM Flag

    And it might make sense for a competitor to buy them.

  • Reply to

    time to hire a ceo

    by smaycs4 Jan 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 22, 2015 9:52 PM Flag

    they had 8.8% last its not meaningful.

  • No chance of material revenues or earnings.

    I can easily see this stock falling another 95% from here.

    Their "technology" is worthless just as their technology 12 years ago was worthless.

  • Reply to

    No SEC filing as of yesterday

    by smaycs4 Jan 9, 2015 6:37 AM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 21, 2015 2:48 PM Flag

    I don't think Ralph is really a ;juice it kind of guy. I think they realized when in talks to sell the company that most buyers would lever it up so doing so might help and wont hurt in the long run.

  • Reply to

    time to hire a ceo

    by smaycs4 Jan 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 21, 2015 2:28 PM Flag

    With all due respect, I believe senility might be setting in.

    Coupons are designed to drive traffic. And hopefully that will lead to higher margin tire sales or whatever.

    They cant make money selling $18 oil changes.

    I continue to think there are just too many auto parts stores, like the dollar type stores and a good chunk could be shut down & the sales going to other stores.

    Need consolidation.

  • Reply to

    No SEC filing as of yesterday

    by smaycs4 Jan 9, 2015 6:37 AM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 21, 2015 12:34 AM Flag

    Im not worried at all about them getting a new credit line. They wouldn't have announced it if they were not pretty darn sure they would be able to get financing.

    Don't think they are going to take it private. I think this is just to right size their capital structure and provide an "out" for Peter and others that want it.

    It wont deter an eventual buyout if & when one comes along.

  • Reply to

    time to hire a ceo

    by smaycs4 Jan 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    smaycs4 smaycs4 Jan 20, 2015 7:37 PM Flag

    Hiring a new CEO might help the stock price by $1-2. I don't think it will go to $12 just on a hire.

    Of course, Dan wouldn't be happy with anyone except him.

    Dan just continues to come here & take dumps everywhere.

    He complains about coupons and in the next post complains because their tires cost too much.

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