@bde: Well reasoned. It's also possible that people who held through the split with the intention of cashing in are simply doing so.
But these sorts of explanations are less than satisfying to a certain sort of investor. Instead, we read about how CNBC screamer Jim Cramer is in cahoots with Carl Icahn, and so forth and so on. Or the nameless, faceless "they" of Wall Street are pulling strings. Yeah. Sure.
Hey, wait -- is that a black helicopter hovering outside my window?
Considering the unpleasant guidance issued by Seagate today, the fact that HTCH price is holding steady in the market's second hour is good news. OK, so it's faint praise. But it's a welcome change from the sudden spate of "Longtime is the devil incarnate" stuff, isn't it?
@longtime: Per update provided by the company today looks like your high side guidance of 68,000 ounces is now the low end of the company's updated official guidance of 68,000-72,000. A good call that appears to have been a bit conservative. Thanks to the market's conniption fit over Greece no one seems to care. I actually believe Greece is just an excuse for something the market wanted to do anyway but that's beside the point. You'd think concern over Greece and the spread of a "Greece contagion" over excessive debt would be fueling a rally in oversold gold miners.
@paul: Correct. But the technology cannot be put back into a bottle. It will never go away. Ever. And if people CAN use it, they will. They will either use it legally or they will use it in a Black Market form, just as they did the file sharing services that led to iTunes, with concomitant consequences for the recorded music companies. Governments will have no choice but to, eventually, reckon with the reality that people can and will use this technology.
Regulate Uber, perhaps in ways that make it less lucrative? You bet. Guaranteed to happen. Ban it? You're dreaming. You might as well try to ban rain on weekends. The market knows this, hence the slow slide in TAXI share price. This does NOT mean that TAXI's future can't be as bright as its past. But that would not be the way to bet it. Those who believe differently help to make the market in TAXI. Because differences in opinion are what makes markets.
Disclosure: No position, long or short.
For what it's worth, General Mills paid more than 27 times EBITDA for Annie's. Apply that multiple to WWAV and you get a price of $10.8 billion, or about 25 percent more than the current market cap of $8.6 billion. That implies a share price of ~$61.
I do not own TAXI but it has been on my dividend stock watch list for going on a year. I drop in here occasionally to get a dose of the latest "tastes great / less filling" slugfest.
While there are good (and valid) points made on both sides of the argument, the simple truth is that Uber and Uber-like services are here to stay simply because the technology that enables such services is here to stay. Genies, in the form of new technologies, never get put back into the bottle once released. They just don't. Ask operators of newspaper companies and record companies who once scoffed at the notion that digital technology threatened their money machines.
Will traditional taxis still exist 10 years from today? Sure. Of course. Just as newspapers still do but their revenues are a fraction of what they were 10 years ago and will continue to decline. You can no more kill mobile phone apps and the market destruction (and creation) they bring than you can kill the Internet itself. Life is ruled by simple laws, and one of them goes like this: cheaper + faster = better. And better always wins.
@sven: Lemme walk you through some advice that you do not want but need.
1. If you have evidence that HTCH employs such secretaries for a purpose other than legitimate work then you should give it to the board of directors, who have a duty to investigate it.
2. If you do not have any such evidence then you might want to cease as such claims may be actionable, since there are likely only a few people at the company who have that job title and thus your claim may be libelous. (Although that would require HTCH execs to care what investors think and I see little evidence of that so you are likely safe.)
3. If you are merely a short you should understand that your efforts would be more effective if supported with a reasoned presentation of the short case than with nasty allegations, veiled or direct.
4. If you are a terminated employee seeking revenge, as I believe sometimes happens on these boards, be advised that you will be much happier in life if you do not envy and hate successful people. Find something positive to get behind and do that thing.
No charge. You're welcome.
@tommie: Interesting thought and probably correct. In that context, the lack of insider buying seems more dispositive.
I suspect cheap prices for fossil fuels has more to do with the depressed price here than anything else.
@kfrom: I wondered the same thing but I researched it a bit and I can't find any evidence that HTCH was part of the Russell, so a sell-off based on a reconfiguration of that index won't explain the big drop on Friday. As a long, I would like to be wrong and would be relieved if someone can show me I am. On the bright side, the volume on Friday, while solid, was not exactly impressive. So the drop in price is not as concerning as it would have been on big volume. Whistling past the graveyard? Hmm... time will tell.
@cc: Excellent information. Thanks for putting the board onto it. The fact that the OIS news has not moved the stock is, to me, less strange than the apparent lack of interest in the suspension biz. The suspension biz is a proven biz and a known quantity. It makes sense to me that a new technology like the OIS advance would have to undergo a "trial by fire" period. I wouldn't expect huge multinationals like Samsung or Apple to embrace something like that right out of the gate because they have too much to lose from introducing a new phone that flops. Or, worse, a new phone that leads to recalls and big write-offs.
For a while now, HTCH has been both the most boring and the most interesting of my holdings. Boring because we seem stuck in a $1.95 - $2.05 range. But HTCH is also the most interesting stock I own because the potential here seems prodigious, as @uptab and others are so adept at pointing out.
WWAV crosses the $50 mark. What a horse. I have no idea whether this thing is going to be bought out as so many seem to believe, but I suspect there are some CEOs who wish they'd tried to buy it 20 points ago.