[We do cuss the really cheap #$%$ one's from TSMC.]
Actually, the bottom 3 cheap ones are from TSMC
why so cheap ?
some depreciated equipment? - perhaps some 22nm stuff previously used for CPU upgraded to 14nm?
lots of synergy between CPU and SoC manufacturing?
Er, cus the really cheap ones are made at TSMC...with an ARM GPU (it's small)...
[That's not respect. That's a small dog trying to bite people on the ankles. Do I want to be an ankle-biter? No thanks. Nor do I need to show respect to bet welching, pinheaded wannabe bullies.]
:) You have an uncanny way of describing yourself in these comedy rants.
[Your usual "I don't know anything, tell me something non-response".]
Not at all, it's about respecting the person and his opinion. Perhaps you could try it sometime?
I just told that monk ....(the backend) might be even more difficult for reasons you do not comprehend (and of course there is the issue of die size)
Might, eh? Care to share?
When talking about die size, are you including the design rules when coming up with your guess for the die?
When you say outperform, you are obviously referring to some benchmark which we know Samsung cheats on.
Er, not any more...
I think (hope) most of the analysts understand - but by creating a false perception it's possible to sucker in more people who just don't know any better - even a guy like monk got suckered in.....
Coming from someone who claimed Samsung didn't even have a logic 20nm process...:)
TSMC's 20nm process is a huge loss, simply because the yields on the 20nm are so low.
Why do you think they are so low?
[Nice content-free rebuttal. From the Monk Marketing Department - long on opinions, short on support.]
:) Would you like me to provide some?
"this is the opening Intel has been waiting for. The Snapdragon 810 is a stopgap chip, and it will probably be at least six months until Qualcomm can get back on track. If Intel can offer a compelling alternative for phones, it could finally capture a significant part of the market later this year."
Unless Intel has got something secret up it's sleeve, then the answer is a clear no (given what we know about Cherry Trail).
Absolutely, we're getting closer to the point where the smartphone one always has with them, can also function as a lightweight Windows desktop when docked. This is enormously beneficial in reducing the number of devices to own, carry, manage and keep secure. There is no iPhone or Android equivalent to this.
FYI, MS doesn't allow the desktop on small screen devices with windows 10 - regardless of which ISA is powering the device.
Starting a new thread.
[This is going to be converted but you mention it again and again and again and yet again in a mindless attempt to turn it into an issue. It's not and it proves nothing so why don't you just let it go. This demonstrates that you have no real issues and therefore have to try to convert non-issues into real issues. This is your usual pick, pick, pick like a little dog running out from under the porch to bite people on the ankle.]
You missed the point - again - and avoided answering a very basic question.
Sofia apparently uses an ARM GPU (Mali) - this is new news (from a couple of days ago). Also, the news of Rockchip using the A72 is only a couple of weeks old and I've never mentioned either in the context of Sofia.
When Sofia is 'converted', does it that mean ARM's Mali will be as well? Odd, don't you think considering Intel has it's own GPU unit and has an equity stake in Imagination Tech? If they are going to drop Mali, why go to the bother and expense of re-writing all the drivers for Mali to run x86?
Then you look at Intel's strategic partner in this, Rockchip. Why are they going to be using ARM's latest core? Not an ideal move from a partner is it...or is something else going on?
[And totally missing the big picture or maybe just trying to distort it. You are all about the marketing propaganda these days. I remember when you used to be technical. I guess those days are long gone.]
No, I am not missing the big picture, I'm just not getting involved in the marketing noise. Who is spinning what? I don't know. Neither do you.
I could have answered your questions a little less honesty. As an example, in the next few days the S6 is announced. It's rumoured to be using Samsung's Finfet app processor, and if this part has displaced the QCOM 810 (again rumoured) then it means Samsung has been churning out *millions* of finfet SoC's for months to meet a worldwide launch. I do not know if it's a Finfet part or not.
Now, lets look at Intel. Well, yesterday we had more news about it's Sofia part, which contains an Intel CPU, ARM GPU, another ARM CPU in the baseband, all manufactured at TSMC. Then we have Intel's partner in this endeavour (Rockchip) going on to licence ARM's latest core.
It comes down to having the right product, at the right price, at the right time. Has Intel got it right this time?
[Hahahahahaha. That's so totally weak. I'm embarrassed for you. In other words after years of telling us that ARM has FinFET, ARM still doesn't have FinFET. ]
I was being factually correct:) While, you seem to struggle with the basics, ie, who ARM are and what they actually do.
[For years you said that ARM had FinFET. Tell me what ARM product you can buy today with FinFET.
Answer: None. ]
The ARMy from a (process point of view) has FinFET, it's just a case of when you except that fact. If you need to see a device, shipping millions of units, then you might not have to wait too long...
As for ARM (the company), it's CPU's have been used in Intel's FinFET's process...
[Oh, come now. Moist is far too modest for your enthusiasm level. And don't be coy - who will be the biggest cheerleader for excessively exuberant ARM fabrication claims amongst the many contenders?]
Enthusiasm? I've no idea how TSMC's and Samsungs 10 or 7nm nodes will play out. At best, it's just marketing noise, at worst, pure spin. The only visibility I have is what's coming up next, and frankly you have been way too pessimistic for the ARMy's fabrication progress - for years you have been wrong.
getanid61, Nenni and Monk will be getting themselves wet for the next 4 years about the arrival of ARM's 10nm node. Like 4 years is going to be enough. If ARM's engineering and manufacturing were only as good as its marketing bravado.
Wet? I prefer the word 'moist'.
I think you'll find it's not ARM who is spinning all this marketing bravado...