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thermo_bea 14 posts  |  Last Activity: 32 minutes ago Member since: Oct 14, 1998
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  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea 32 minutes ago Flag

    CMG was down 2.5% vs. the S&P500 today. I decided to look at the historical relationship. Excluding days after earnings announcements, today's was the biggest negative divergence in over a year. CMG volume was nearly 50% higher than normal.

    In fact it was one of only two non-post earnings relative drops over 2% in the past year (the other being recently on March 30, 2015 and volume was slightly below normal).

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    The good the bad what I see as important

    by colonelyen1911 May 23, 2015 12:03 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea 52 minutes ago Flag

    Even if they were to double their earnings in, say, seven years and the P/E came down to 20x, which is still quite a P/E, they stock would be trading then at today's level.

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    The good the bad what I see as important

    by colonelyen1911 May 23, 2015 12:03 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea 7 hours ago Flag

    The really big deal for Chipotle is increasing competition. Chipotle has been a trailblazer in fast casual and it takes time for established brands to adjust to new trends. It also takes awhile for new concepts to develop, test, and then enter growth phase. That is now happening. Five years ago many folks looking for lunch had one fast casual option: Chipotle. Today they are seeing 2, 3... 4 and more options nearby that fit the format, price point, and overall vibe. Everyone is hungry to take share from Chipotle.

  • It's getting interesting for CMG. In the past, the stock has had some down days in response to news (quarterly calls) while the market is up, but now it's starting to see down days with the market up strongly. That's happening today. If it starts showing relative weakness it will be interesting to see how the hedge fund holders and the momentum players handle it. Will they hold CMG due to its growth story or start rushing for the exits?

  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea Apr 30, 2015 2:19 PM Flag

    Maybe existing customers will patronize Chipotle more for going non-GMO. Maybe some people will go to Chipotle for the first time to reward them for going non-GMO. But there is buzz on some science-oriented sites about boycotting Chipotle as a penalty for ignoring the science. Not sure it'll add up to much given the relatively low numbers of science types though.

  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea Apr 29, 2015 1:39 PM Flag

    Also, CMG is now at a six month low and appears to be back filling the gap (which it partially did before a few months ago). Chart shows next test around $607.

  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea Apr 29, 2015 1:36 PM Flag

    CMG has broken below the post announcement lows. Yes the markets are down, but CMG has a 0.57 beta and is down much more than the broad market.

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    by thermo_bea Apr 22, 2015 11:52 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea Apr 23, 2015 3:54 PM Flag

    Closed down today within pennies of yesterday's intra-day low.

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    by thermo_bea Apr 22, 2015 11:52 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea Apr 22, 2015 4:19 PM Flag

    Eh, kind of. It did find that sharp bottom and pull out of it, but no "flying up", just sideways to slightly down after that bounce.

  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea Apr 22, 2015 11:52 AM Flag

    CMG is showing real resilience here. It shows that there are strong hands holding it (and maybe shorts looking to get out of the trade). Even the most bullish estimates have 2016 at $20+ EPS, so even after today's fall the stock is trading at "only" a ~32 forward P/E. That *should* be seen as overvalued, since growth is without a doubt slowing (law of large numbers, tougher SSS comps, more and more fast casual competition), but instead of dropping to a somewhat reasonable valuation (around $400), we may see it just chop along sideways.

  • thermo_bea by thermo_bea Apr 9, 2015 9:32 PM Flag

    Ego and greed. Perhaps he'll set it up for a management-led LBO (take it private). A little empire with no pesky outside analysts, free to do what he chooses.

  • Sometime in the next five years they're going to start doing $2+ EPS and the market will take not and give OME a solid 15x multiple. So I think we're going to a $30 share price. Maybe we'll get the bear market we're due for in the next few years, but I'll hold OME through it.

    Sentiment: Buy

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    CC quick thoughts

    by votingmachine Mar 17, 2015 11:33 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea Mar 17, 2015 2:11 PM Flag

    There are only two ways they could "reduce the debt significantly very soon"
    1) Bankruptcy. That is a real possibility and the stock price reflects this.
    2) Issue Stock. Perhaps they could do a huge secondary offering of stock to pay down debt, but at today's prices that would mean huge dilution of existing shareholders.

    There is no easy way out. Their business looks terrible.

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    R.I.P. Molycorpse

    by coopsie_daisy Mar 17, 2015 10:19 AM
    thermo_bea thermo_bea Mar 17, 2015 11:02 AM Flag

    I have to agree. I hadn't looked at Molycorp in a couple of years and a headline grabbed my eye. I looked over the Q4 / 2014 press release including the financials and it's a disaster. I mean, their revenues don't even cover the operations costs ex-depreciation! The fundamentals look terrible - they are bleeding cash and ASPs are sliding. Ugly.

    Sentiment: Sell

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