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too_much_sunshine 10 posts  |  Last Activity: Nov 25, 2015 2:30 PM Member since: Apr 14, 2007
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  • too_much_sunshine by too_much_sunshine Nov 25, 2015 2:30 PM Flag

    Meg Tirrel spent a few minutes on the Adcom topic. A quick but reasonably thorough and accurate representation of recent events. She concluded with "Folks are definitely more hopeful for Sarepta's drug".

    Just FYI

  • too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 23, 2015 9:00 PM Flag

    Or simply a new trial with 12 months of therapy on two arms: iSonep 4.0 mg + anti-VEGF compared to anti-VEGF alone. A safe and seemingly effective dose of iSonep compared to standard of care. A duration long enough to (hopefully) expose a treatment effect.

    As far as the post-4 months anti-VEGF issue; in clinical trials, after exiting the study, patients will often go back to standard of care or even to other trials. This can be confounding. In this case many patients were "retreated". However, I agree that the argument in favor of iSonep is intact. You see continued lesion size decreases and evidence of longer-term stabilization of VA only in the arms where patients have seen iSonep. You do not see that benefit where anti-VEGF therapy was used alone. The usual question might be whether the follow-on treatments were imbalanced between arms. They did not appear to be to any meaningful degree. Although in this case that might even be expected if any patients already on anti-VEGF therapy and showing loss of VA are not "retreated" due to futility. I don't know the practice well enough to do more than speculate on that.

  • too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 23, 2015 1:37 PM Flag

    I've been wondering if and when some of the billions in private money floating around out there might be leveraged to fund or purchase under-the-radar but viable technologies/companies. I'm glad to see that happen. For several years Shkreli has been doing things that, to put it very mildly, strain the limits of good taste. So it's ironic that he is the first example (that I'm aware of) of something that I would like to see a lot more of.

    Private money could fund and buy a stake in Lpath- boosting the price significantly. Even if they invested at much higher levels (say, $1 a share), they could still turn around and make %500 (or something like that) a few years down the road.

    There's a big place for this kind of thing in the bio space.

  • too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 22, 2015 11:09 AM Flag

    With cancer stem-cells, theoretically you can eliminate them and they won't come back, so therapy could be withdrawn and remission would continue. I don't want to over-talk my own analogy, but I just want to emphasize that resolving the underlying pathology would allow for stopping treatment and achieving a durable response or benefit. Inflammatory mechanisms are another example where, when you dial-down a pathology, you achieve a sustained benefit even after withdrawal of therapy.

    That's not to say that after further time without iSonep, lesions would not grow and BCVA stabilization would not be lost. There's no way to know that. But these data are at least evidence that iSonep improves the underlying pathology, or at least targets mechanisms such that it has a similar effect. Given the chance, even normal healing may take over, resulting in some of the continued benefit seen.

    Just considering this empirically, the apparent benefit is sustained. I would note that for 7 straight months lesion area declined on iSonep alone. For 5 straight months after the last iSonep injection, lesion area declined notably. Each time-point was lower than the preceding one. There is an analysis that can be done (help from a statistician would be welcome here) to determine the probability of each successive point in a data set being higher or lower randomly. While I don't know the answer, I suspect that the probability of 7 successive points randomly moving in the same direction is very low. Also, the sample size from which the data points were generated is respectable. So the data are telling us to seriously consider that the trend reflects something real.

    I just wanted to flesh out my points. I think we're largely in agreement. I think we would agree in not wanting to over-interpret the data, and that more analysis is needed. I also think we agree that these results clearly justify Lpath's decision to take iSonep out of the trash bin and put it back on the table.

  • too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 21, 2015 10:50 AM Flag

    I agree, Left-e. I was very pleased with the data. I will reiterate from my earlier post and call the results compelling. The data showed potential sustained benefit and superior lesion resolution with iSonep treatment. What is measured clinically is often a down-stream effect of a disease. So a delay or lag in improvement following treatment may be exactly what we should expect if the underlying pathology is resolved by a treatment. An analogy would be anti-EphA3 treatment targeting cancer stem-cells, where leukemia and MDS responses to treatment many take 4 or 5 months but are meaningful when they occur. Upstream resolution results in a delayed downstream effect. (the downstream effect being what is often actually measured clinically) Biology and medicine are full of examples.

    It's tragic, because a trial with a primary endpoint at 9 months would have been a success, exposing a real treatment benefit. There were at the time good and sufficient reasons for designing a 120 day trial, so I'm not saying "they should have known better". But I do think it's important to treat a phase 2 as a learning study. Gather as much information as you can and data mine the heck out of it. That's what was ultimately done here and I think with a good result. However, for the purposes of a business decision it was treated as a pivotal trial with rigid endpoints, and decisions were made without the benefit of extensive and long-term data analysis (and yes, Pfizer did have a contractual deadline). So now, we are where we are.

    I've seen much lesser drugs and platforms get a second chance. I'd like to see that happen here.

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    $5.50 by end of the day imo. Nice news

    by arnaholder Nov 17, 2015 10:37 AM
    too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 17, 2015 12:40 PM Flag

    A couple of hours later OCRX will present at Stifel. Presumably there will be something useful regarding the various AASLD presentations.

  • Reply to

    $5.50 by end of the day imo. Nice news

    by arnaholder Nov 17, 2015 10:37 AM
    too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 17, 2015 11:37 AM Flag

    I believe the initial Phase 2 ALF data will be presented today at 11:45. I would think a PR would coincide with that.

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    Slides on NEXUS Phase 2 are posted!

    by chicagoilz Nov 14, 2015 9:16 PM
    too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Nov 15, 2015 4:45 PM Flag

    The presentation is actually compelling. The data are consistent with a model where the underlying disease process is alleviated by the action of iSonep. Over time, the downstream pathologies are resolved as the treatment effect of other drugs or even the healing process itself catches up. The elements supportive of this are as follows: 1) The delayed effect in the iSonep-only arm in lesion reduction. 2) The continuous reduction in lesion size for iSonep compared to a plateau seen with anti-VEGF therapy only (the combinations are intermediate in performance over the long-term, also consistent); and 3) The sustained benefit in BCVA seen when iSonep is added to anti-VEGF therapy.

    This is just a simple hypothesis which the data are consistent with. My experience in the Ophthalmology space is limited, so I would welcome comments.

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    Wainwright Initiation

    by mattkelley1981 Oct 16, 2015 6:17 PM
    too_much_sunshine too_much_sunshine Oct 16, 2015 6:49 PM Flag

    Some kind of "glitch" in that story. What was Xcyte became (in part) Cyclacel. A long time ago.

  • too_much_sunshine by too_much_sunshine Sep 21, 2015 4:36 PM Flag

    Martin Shkreli is back. Apparently he's at the center of today's hubbub about so-called drug "price gouging" at Turing Pharma-And today's resulting Hillary-triggered Biotech decline.

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