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uhlerf 25 posts  |  Last Activity: Jun 24, 2014 5:42 PM Member since: Jul 23, 2010
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    KMP AND KMI

    by cborkar Jun 22, 2014 3:06 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Jun 24, 2014 5:42 PM Flag

    then why is the full name of KMI "Kinder Morgan 'Inc' " ?? (its not a corporation??)
    (disclaimer: not owner if either KMI or KMP, but considering buying one or the other)
    p.s. anyone know if any part of dividend from either of these companies is "return of capital" (ROC), as opposed to "regular" dividends???
    p.p.s. anyone know how ROC is advantageous investing strategy, since it lowers cost basis???

  • Reply to

    kmi or rig .....or both?

    by mwalk65 Jun 23, 2014 9:56 AM
    uhlerf uhlerf Jun 24, 2014 5:22 PM Flag

    wuz gonna ask a question, but I guess I need to get permission first from the question police - where do I find them???

  • Reply to

    Bad Mood on the Right

    by walrathcraig550 May 15, 2014 8:03 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf May 16, 2014 8:26 PM Flag

    Oops: II was "I".....

  • Reply to

    Bad Mood on the Right

    by walrathcraig550 May 15, 2014 8:03 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf May 16, 2014 8:24 PM Flag

    not a "noun" -- "ing" makes it a verb ('course Il could be wrong - just a retired metalshop teacher) (on the other hand, any spelling or grammatical error makes the whole concept questionable, no?)

  • 1. How come everyone is surprised at a "dividend" cut, when they're not really being paid a dividend?? Did anyone notice that last year's "payout/yield" (2013 1099) indicated that 64.7% of the "dividend(yield)" was NOT a real dividend, but was comprised of YOUR OWN money being returned to you?? ("return of capital")
    My 1099 called it "non-dividend distribution (irs box 3)".....
    2. What many people thought was a really high dividend was in reality only about 35% real dividend, and 65% return of their own money (ROC) - they will later find that their "cost basis" is lower, by the same dollar amount as that "return of capital", thus resulting in lower loss (or higher gain) than they thought they had when they got rid of (sold) those shares..... (or if still holding, their cost basis is lower than what they actually paid per share, and will take a lot longer to recoup their losses)
    3. Don't misunderstand me, I'm as guilty as anyone of not knowing what's really happening, and learning "the hard way" - in fact everything above could be wrong, but that's my understanding.....
    4. Right or wrong, I'm still trying to figure out the investing advantages of ROC - anyone have an explanation?
    One thing would be (a) "no tax on that money payout," and (b) lower tax rate on capital gain than tax rate on dividends (assuming ROC results in capital gain when we do sell)..... Whatever, I'm still tryin' to determine the advantages.....
    5. Bottom line: it sounds to me like a lot of posters here don't really understand what they've done, and that they have been simply "chasing" a supposedly high dividend/yield.
    6. One disadvantage to investors is that no one knows (including the company) what percent of quarterly payout will be "real" dividend vs. "ROC" til end of year (In fact that's one reason for receiving "amended" 1099, and having to file tax return as late as possible)
    7. Sorry so much rambling, just couldn't help respond to posters here complaining abt shr price drop........

  • uhlerf uhlerf Apr 9, 2014 6:44 PM Flag

    according to my 1099, about 64% of the "distribution" for 2013 was "ROC" (return of capital,) which means paying you back some of your own invested dollars, AND lowering your "cost basis" by that amount, so when you go to sell shares your cost basis is lower than you originally paid, thus your "gain" is less than you 'might have thought'....
    My brokerage statement shows both "adjusted" and "original" price per share - (adjusted means lowered by the amount of "return of capital" [for the year])
    As I understand it, there's no tax due on any amount distributed as "ROC", but as stated above, your cost basis is lowered be that amount, so when you sell you have more gain than you might have thought, and you then pay "capital gain" tax on the full amount you "gained"..... (' course if you sell at a loss, then that loss is less than you originally might have thought)
    I guess the investment strategy that makes this concept advantageous is that you don't pay any tax on "ROC" but you will pay higher capital gain tax when you sell the stock, but capital gains tax is a lower tax rate than tax on regular dividends.....
    Sorry to be so wordy, but hope this helps. I'm still tryin' to figure out the advantage myself - it's really not a pain - just use the number your broker's statement gives you - there is one thing that IS a pain - the companies seem not to be able to tell til year-end whether or what amount of the distribution they handed out during the year will be ROC and how much will be regular dividends..... (I called one time and asked about this and was told they wouldn't know til year end - This is one of the situations where you don't want to file a tax return till last minute - in fact my broker (WellsFargo) has sent me an "amended" 1099 each year and also a note suggesting not filing tax return til last minute.....
    As said, sorry so wordy, but there's even more, but I've taken too much space already.....

    Sentiment: Buy

  • uhlerf uhlerf Mar 8, 2014 8:59 PM Flag

    oops, 'probably".....

  • uhlerf uhlerf Mar 8, 2014 8:57 PM Flag

    Propby The DMV will figure the "road expense" (tax) and add it to the registration for the vehicle, when it comes due each year -- seems fair enough.....

  • uhlerf uhlerf Mar 7, 2014 12:52 PM Flag

    honest questions: 1) how far can you go on a full charge?? 2) where can you recharge on a long trip (out of town)??
    full-electric sounds like the way to go.....

  • Reply to

    VIXame Street

    by yourbestfriendintheworld Feb 19, 2014 2:21 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Mar 7, 2014 12:34 PM Flag

    "prohibition" comes to mind......

  • Reply to

    Liberals now talking about MW

    by longpickuptruck Feb 28, 2014 6:28 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Feb 28, 2014 7:51 PM Flag

    typical.....

  • Reply to

    Hating Poor People

    by craiagwalrath Nov 7, 2013 6:50 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Nov 9, 2013 3:21 PM Flag

    craiag " Prices are based on what maximizes revenue" ?? What in the world does that mean? ("maximizes revenue")
    "Companies don't charge based on their costs" Oh?? are you serious??
    How does one "maximize revenue" without considering costs??
    Care to explain??

  • Reply to

    Hating Poor People

    by craiagwalrath Nov 7, 2013 6:50 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Nov 9, 2013 4:50 AM Flag

    What's so magical about "60%"? - why not 90%? 99%? Why not just take it all?
    Which gov't genius do you want deciding YOUR life decisions for YOU???
    (onion has it right)

  • Reply to

    Hating Poor People

    by craiagwalrath Nov 7, 2013 6:50 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Nov 9, 2013 4:37 AM Flag

    I agree, there are lots of people who must be way overpaid, but have you considered that anyone who "does not work" leaves a job slot for someone who NEEDS a job? Plus "millionaires" do spend their money, which provides jobs for those who want to work.....

  • Reply to

    Canada health care has high approval ratings

    by infinitidrivr Nov 6, 2013 1:39 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Nov 7, 2013 6:27 PM Flag

    "immigration is down"?? Immigration is STILL immigration, no? Why is immigration happening? (not arguing, just want clarification).....
    Key point, what is "wrong" with rayban's statement? is it "droves"?? or is it "poor"??

  • Reply to

    I just bought,

    by iluvamuffin Oct 30, 2013 9:57 AM
    uhlerf uhlerf Oct 30, 2013 10:30 PM Flag

    chicken you do know that over 50% of CYS's distribution for 2009 & 2010 and about 10% for 2011 was return of capital, right? None for 2012, and 2013 remains to be seen..... I'm still trying to figure how "ROC" (paying you some of your own money as part of the seemingly high distribution/yield, and thus lowering your cost basis) how it's an advantageous investment.....
    Some people sell just prior to ex-date and never take a distribution (preferring capital gain instead of dividend)
    Any serious response, chicken (or anyone)???

  • Reply to

    CANADA best country in the world

    by jamoonca Oct 16, 2013 3:33 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Oct 16, 2013 5:23 PM Flag

    (CA = California, btw)

  • Reply to

    CANADA best country in the world

    by jamoonca Oct 16, 2013 3:33 PM
    uhlerf uhlerf Oct 16, 2013 5:22 PM Flag

    shhhhh --- don't let on..... I used to brag about CA, and look at us now..... If you plan on stayin' there you should keep quiet about it.....

  • Reply to

    ughh

    by sensitive_hunk2000 Oct 2, 2013 11:01 AM
    uhlerf uhlerf Oct 2, 2013 11:09 AM Flag

    explain/reasons?? (slow learner here)

  • uhlerf uhlerf Oct 1, 2013 1:46 PM Flag

    Years ago someone remarked, "do you just obey the laws you like?" and the natural response was "well, no, of course not." But shortly after the election of this administration (the first time) I reversed my attitude. In fact I seem to recall one of their campaign slogans was "Yes we can"..... (not sure I remember that correctly). Anyway, since early in this administration my bumper sticker now reads "Yes You Can - Obey Only the Laws You Like - Gov't does it All the Time"
    (both federal laws and here in California also, unfortunately)

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