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up1.down2 14 posts  |  Last Activity: Apr 4, 2014 10:57 AM Member since: Nov 12, 2008
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  • up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 1, 2014 10:10 AM Flag

    He lives under the rock of no information. The company announce the dividend WILL be cut or eliminated late February. If that's not a material event what is?? Who owns a utility stock that doesnt pay a dividend????

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    New Syndicated Financing

    by peterdvorets Feb 1, 2014 8:52 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 1, 2014 10:14 AM Flag

    but why own a utility that doesnt pay a divi ?? just to watch the capital base age and deteriorate ?? and yes when that happens the assets (aka stock holder equity) DO get less valuable.

  • up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 19, 2014 11:34 AM Flag

    Why did EXM,GMR,OSC,TBSI go bankrupt ? Largely because they had decaying fleets that nobody wanted to risk new dollars to save old junk. Add in the majority inside ownership and who is going to put good money after bad decisions that likely won't change ?

    The bankruptcy claims never end here. Those standing on the soap box don't have much of a clue how BK really occurs. No judge is going to grant an involuntary BK petition based on some equation violation. If Egle starts missing payments - different story.

  • They must be absolute idiots. They must not be reading this message board with the genius and wisdom of those who have guaranteed bankruptcy.

    The syndicate shares that were granted during the last restructure surely won't be "wiped out". That is a far better guarantee than the basement predictions that never end here.

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    LOL! EGLE's future is plain and painful

    by audiophul Feb 20, 2014 5:48 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 20, 2014 8:47 AM Flag

    and u r the old time dolt that thinks because someone bought a portion (yes the loan IS syndicated) of the debt they can seize property like it's communist China. maybe those other holders can use 1/2 a supramax hull for their office when everything is parsed out. .

    u have been barking EGLE bankruptcy for more years than anyone can keep track of, still hasn't happened. back in the 1920's there was no shortage of calls for GM bankruptcy...and they were eventually correct. just took 90 years.

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    Management simply has no self control

    by imiami55 Feb 24, 2014 10:50 PM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 25, 2014 9:37 AM Flag

    Exactly why I sold most of my holdings in the high 8's a few weeks back. Things were looking too suspiciously good for this clan so out came the chute. Pile on the fact that their 'pricing' on this and the rest of the offerings are never disclosed. This only means they are selling below NAV to the best of friends.

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    Business as usual

    by dr_program Feb 26, 2014 7:17 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 26, 2014 8:50 AM Flag

    Yes, business as usual for this clan. Offering after offering after offering Below NAV. If you are happy with continuous dilution you have found the right stock. There are BDC's out there that won't issue under NAV and have never even asked to do it. If Apollo were doing offerings to capture accretion it would be one thing but the only objective for them is to increase management fee's. When is the last time shareholders got a bump up ? Oh... that's right, only been cuts !

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    Q4 results

    by iosme Feb 28, 2014 11:53 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Feb 28, 2014 5:02 PM Flag

    "take the ships". For the loudest mouth on the msg boards calling ignorance you best look in the mirror first. This isn't communist China where they can "take' whatever whenever. There isn't a BK judge in the land that will approve a petition based on a covenant breach. Missing payments a whole different story of which EGLE has NEVER missed. Aside from BK 101 there is the syndicate problem that you apparently can't even begin to grasp.

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    62 Insitutions currently hold EGLE stock

    by up1.down2 Feb 19, 2014 11:40 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Mar 4, 2014 11:07 AM Flag

    This audiophile clown is by far the most arrogant and misinformed stooge to visit YMB's.

    The CURRENT institutional holdings is 4,573,003 shares or 27.45% !!!

    Far too worried about calling names like a grade school punk to even get facts to back up his spew.

    Investing 201. Mutual Funds don't buy shares for Institutions. What an absolute ignit boobt

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    Q4 results

    by iosme Feb 28, 2014 11:53 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Mar 4, 2014 11:12 AM Flag

    The debt holders (bank, hedge,etc) do NOT OWN the ships. They own the debt. Under your law the bank can just come take your home (actually ur mothers house and the basement too) because they own the debt. Why stop there, take the car and the big screen TV that is on the credit card aslo. What a fart of desperation !.

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    Q4 results

    by iosme Feb 28, 2014 11:53 AM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Mar 4, 2014 1:32 PM Flag

    yes that is correct... 'IF" they miss payments. Even a that, a legal process is required to 'take' the ships. The process is not any different than any collateralized loan whether it be real estate, capital equipment or ships in this case.

    Any debt holder wishing to seize collateral backing a loan has to first petition the courts and a judge determines if such a transfer of collateral is in the best interest of ALL involved, not just the debt holder. With the loan being syndicated AND some deep pockets now involved parsing up a 45 ship fleet is far less likely to occur than some want to believe.

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    by audiophul Mar 26, 2014 4:27 PM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Apr 1, 2014 9:16 AM Flag

    good thing nobody listens to the propaganda from this circus. it's been nothin but debt hysteria for Eagle yet the Lauro and Bugbee grab at 2x debt is "safer" ? now that the market pals have been exhausted it's going to be leverage for the remaining $2.2B. how absurdly ridiculous particularly when they are loading up in two of the most challenging classes moving forward. kams/pans have been the worst performers in absolute terms and pitiful relative to size. capes are only going to sink further as more vales hit. lest not forget the Q4 $5M officer compensation for a company with ZERO revenue. Soph and family may be bad but those guys are way worse with their house of cards!

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    by audiophul Mar 26, 2014 4:27 PM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Apr 2, 2014 12:13 PM Flag

    yep. uve been barking bankruptcy before jesus was born, hasn't happend yet. nice track record ! the pundits were claiming GM bankruptcy 90 years ago. oh lookee they were all correct, long after they were all dead. a broken clock is right twice a day too.

    hmm..1.1B at best towards a 2.8B NB program in the worst rate vs equity/opex classes out there. absolute genius ! where can we sign up for that ? no thx

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    by audiophul Mar 26, 2014 4:27 PM
    up1.down2 up1.down2 Apr 4, 2014 10:57 AM Flag

    just like the last 4 years of WRONG bankruptcy claims ur knowledge of my holdings is WRONG too. i don't have a single share of EGLE. made my coin on this issue from '12 to '13 with the KLC recognition that you had NO ability to see coming because you JUST don't know real finance. just like then, bankruptcy is NOT going to happen now. will a loan restructure happen ? maybe, maybe not. this is not cut and dry. there are many alternatives that you have no concept of because you just don't understand real finance.

    will visit this board every now and then to see how off base the self proclaimed experts are !

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