@mr . True, wireless should be funding wireline. Wireline subsidized wireless since wireless started, and even before.Bell Atlantic Mobile when landlines were doing the testing. Why do you fund an ira, to watch it fund someone else's retirement? The legacy of landline is wireless, Should landline charge the full cost of transport for wireless? In 20 years you will still have landlines. It may not be as large as it is today but we don't have as many operators as we did 20 years ago. Ray and Ivan failed when Vodafone came along, Talk about CEO's that should have had claw backs on their compensation. How much did it cost landline when Ray failed and got beat by John C. Malone for TCI. Then you have to look at Ivans deal for MCI. Did that give a larger route for trunklng for wireless? Yes even employees were ask to help support LD so wireless could get a start. Many deals have been made by landline for wireless and wireless. Most people talk about land line being just the phone, You know better. If the strike goes on you know you will see a ripple effect in service.
Lets put in the contract a 55 millon severence package for each employee, like Myers would get. Seems fair if a CEO gets that much to leave a company VZ wants to buy.
Besides, since VZ wants Yahoo, and they sold off the old GTE areas, shouldn't landlines share the profits since the old landlines funded the GTE deal that fund the money for the last Frontier deal? That GTE deal was just made to get the wireless side of GTE, because we see what VZ is keeping today with those spin offs. All that money that was in the pension funds and the healthcare funds that held Bell Atlantic stock for employee benefits. Then Look at all the profits from those deals. The three CEO's from that deal got their money, why not the employees that were working for the company then and the retirees that watched their stock go down from the 60's after the deal. Oh yea VZ gave them worthless Founders grants yet the CEO's walked with millions.
Professional posters VZ has hired? You know, the PR types, the ones that post to push messages down on the message board so they cannot be seen with out searching Then their are the ones that are paid to post trash talk.
I would think that many managers are sitting in the office is looking at the talk like the union members. Looks like the weather is changing in Verizon landline areas, don't get wet. Just remember all those cable openings that you didn't have time to fix before the strike. You'll be visiting them soon. Maybe you'll have flash back of when one of your employees, had told you we have to fix this or that, but you had to control the overtime. Well now you'll get your overtime.
@alvin and that is the type of thinking that management has! Many a time I have fixed Trunking problems and other routing issues, porting and the like by what the outside tec recognized as an issue. Customers don't usually complain unless they have a problem. Sure the cable might dry out before a tec gets there but fixing those 95% problems takes knowledge and experience. Too bad many first, second and third level managers don't have the knowledge as we are seeing today!
The first two weeks are all fun for management, the catered meals the overtime being made are great. Then comes the realization that management can not fix outages. Upper levels of management start to see that lower level managers our out of their debt of knowledge of the skills of the people they manage. They start to wonder how these managers could evaluate those employees if they don't know their job. After two weeks pressure starts to build. Why is it not fixed, where do we get the circuit packs. how do we do this or that. More managers are needed to do one job. Their skills are not there. Upper level managers start to take heat to get important subscribers in service. Their bosses start asking them questions. They want to know who broke this or that.
Very few managers will shine. many will avoid their mangers hoping that they will not be remembered when the strike has passed.
See they should have had a union contract, maybe they would not have been swindled out of their wages. This proves that you need a union, because management will give the cheapest wage to the most people. This is why when people try an negotiate individually they lose out. Favoritism and nepotism start to play into it. Management knows to play one employee off the other, just like in the bible story. Or was Jesus call for a Union?
want the benefits that unions have earned? Like vacations, holidays, 40 hour work week, time and a half. savings plans health care ect.
Before when the robber barons were in power those benefits did not exist. Some posting here wish the Pinkertons would be called and to do a Homestead action. Ford has his fear of his employees, Ford has his machine guns protecting his home.
Many people today think benefits were just given to them. They were fought for and they were earned. History , if you don't remember it will come back and haunt you. You must realize that employers view employees as a cost of business. They want to reduce the cost. Employees have to get a contract and a good contract in mass to get their benefits for now and for their retirement. That is why you have unions, that is why there is a strike.
I'm still upset about my Verizon Founder's Grants! Another gift from management and the CEO's They got their money we got squat and some worthless grants for 10 years.
You have trunks to e911 right? Bet landline does the switching for the e911. Vendor training sure has been cut for switches, muxes, power ect. Looking at some of those power plants in offices is scary. Many of the old hats that took care of the plant are gone. You think today's management can take care of it?
Yes wireline has shrunk in towns but in the outlying areas it still has a niche. Those towers have to have the switching, the E911 has to work. The maintenance which has been neglected for cost sayings comes back an bites you. Managers do not have the latest training as you would know. We had 3rd and 4th level managers really find out which managers knew things during strikes. Ignorance stood out. VZ wireless does not want to have customers exit because of service. McAdam knows people have an easier option to switch these days with out those lock in contracts. Does he want to risk it?
I don't think that would even count as a strike. One month just starts the process, when people walkout. They system will run for a while. McAdam had the old wireline people running things when he was on the wireless side. VZ had deep pockes for wireless. now those pockets are his. He has to maintain the connections for the wireless. Redundancy last for only so long. That northeast corridor can be tough.
the last two" deals" where are the replacement workers going to come from? The downsizing has hurt on legacy systems. Maybe . McAdam thinks the wireless people can come on in and run things. Or does he believe that the centers can run it. Has McAdam ever seen a strike? He likes those wireless models, VZ is not just a wireless company. This will be the first non-landline ceo in action for VZ. Sure things have changed, but all he dumped was the fGTE areas. I wonder if he will play the contract extension game? I wonder if the unions would be stupid enough to go for extensions? This could be a real chance for the unions to come together and fight for benefits and wages for workers and retirees. The last 10 years have been great for VZ too bad the employees didn't share in those great years. Look at the savings that the company has received in the health care side of benefits. Look at the number of people they wrote of from the GTE deal and then look at the money and the synergies they received for wireless from those deals. Of course you have to remember that Ivan, Chuck and Ray are starving, right?
Ya, remember what they told WV on the last deal! They received 78 million extra from VZ for WV. The made promises to WV PUC and last year the PUC put a freeze on FTR HSI for the areas that have not met their promises. So what is a FTR promise to CA, zip.