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winholder 7040 posts  |  Last Activity: Nov 4, 2013 4:03 PM Member since: Jul 29, 1998
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  • Reply to

    Your elected representatives

    by agreed_manuel Oct 30, 2013 4:50 PM
    winholder winholder Nov 4, 2013 4:03 PM Flag

    How's this for candor...I think you're a liberal twit!

  • Reply to

    Your elected representatives

    by agreed_manuel Oct 30, 2013 4:50 PM
    winholder winholder Nov 1, 2013 10:32 AM Flag

    Part 3

    The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

    If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
    You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

    When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.
    Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
    Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.

    Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.
    None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

  • Reply to

    Your elected representatives

    by agreed_manuel Oct 30, 2013 4:50 PM
    winholder winholder Nov 1, 2013 10:30 AM Flag

    By Thomas Sowell Part 1
    Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.

    There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.

    This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

  • winholder winholder Oct 30, 2013 3:29 PM Flag

    Now it has been noted that the NSA in hacking into Yahoo and Goggle data centers around the world.

    Obama promised a 'transparent' administration. He failed to add that the transparency was we to the government, not the other way around. They are again overstepping the margins of reasonable behavior, honesty with the American people and common sense.

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    "If you like your health plan, you can..."

    by froggnot Oct 29, 2013 11:32 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 30, 2013 11:04 AM Flag

    Obama has stated in interviews that are on tape, that his eventual goal is a single payer, one entity rules health care system. He wants no insurance companies, he wants no choice in health care, and he wants all the billing, payments, and choices controlled by the government. He wants not just a single payer environment; he wants a single decision maker environment. The Federal Government!

    When presented with his words, how can the rest of the media and the fools in the Democratic Party not understand the direction he wants to go? Well, I guess it is hard to argue with a plan that leaves you paying little or nothing for your own and family’s health care, subsidized by the taxpayers.

  • Reply to

    Bengazzi - Tonight !!

    by jac.sprat28 Oct 27, 2013 3:55 PM
    winholder winholder Oct 30, 2013 10:44 AM Flag

    OK children, recess is over and if you still insist on calling each other names, I will tell mom.

  • Reply to

    Ted Cruz is a waste of time

    by pukesrclueless Oct 26, 2013 11:52 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 30, 2013 10:40 AM Flag

    "Ted Cruz he is so far out to the right he is unelectable,"

    While that may be true, expect that we elected a Democrat that is as far left as anyone ever in the office of President. Being too far left or right to get elected at certain points in history still does not mean the person is wrong in their beliefs or facts.

    Cruz says we cannot continue to spend money at the rate we are. We cannot continue to do things that continually take the confidence out of turning around this economy. Cruz says the President and his minions are lying about the impacts and the true purpose of the ACA and even the liberal MSM press is starting to believe him and print quotes previously made by Obama that make it pretty clear he is correct on that count.

    These current problems, scandals and lack of progress aren't about Cruz; they are about the failures of leadership and honesty of this President and his handlers.

    The economy is still failing, jobs are still shrinking, the government is still spending more than it can afford, corruption in our government is still rampant, the ACA is not working and we are finding out more and more of the under the table deals and workings by this administration. Obama still hasn’t provided the data necessary to complete any investigations into Benghazi, the IRS debacle or Fat and Furious. He stonewalls. When folks won’t tell you the whole truth, you have to wonder why.

    Don’t blame this county’s current problem on Ted Cruz; put the blame right where it belongs, on the desk where the buck should stop, but for some reason can’t find its way there.

  • Reply to

    Have we become Russia?

    by ggray1956 Oct 16, 2013 11:21 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 25, 2013 10:17 AM Flag

    Our government is no longer for the people. "They" have redefined the people as the members of the government, their staff, and their families. The welfare, success, and retention of power of those ‘people’ are all that matters to them, from both sides of the political spectrum.

    It is 'our' money. The government cannot spend a dime unless they obtain the money from taxpayers, and there are becoming fewer and fewer of those. We ‘extremists’ simply believe that the actions of Congress and the President should always be in the interest of the 'people' that pay those taxes first and foremost. They aren't and you know it.

    Apparently there are a lot of political actions in this administration that are beyond your comprehension that or you are just too stubborn to admit that this political rookie is a disaster no longer waiting to happen, but in fact wrecking this country as we watch.

    As far as Trump goes, I haven't mentioned Trump; he is another one like you, with an oversized and unearned ego.

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    Nobambi=Good example of The Peter Principle'

    by cpwrguy_99 Oct 25, 2013 7:24 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 25, 2013 10:03 AM Flag

    Does anyone recall the glorious speeches by Fearless Leader about how he would make contact with our enemies, sit them down to talk things out, and make them our friends?

    How his administration would be the most transparent and open in history. How he would build and preserve the middle class.

    How he would insist that his administration would be the most civil in their dealings with those that disagreed with him.

    How bills that were to be signed by him would be placed on a website for a few days before he actually enacted them (we now know that he and his minions know little if anything about websites).

    How he would create millions of better paying jobs.

    How he would be open to new and better ideas regardless of the source.

    I guess I missed the parts of those speeches where he promised that if he didn’t like a particular law he would simply instruct his administration to simply ignore and stop enforcing them.

    When are any of these things going to start happening? He didn't promise to do these things only if Bush hadn't screwed things up, he just promised to do them.

    I guess the question now is he that naïve or just that incompetent, or just disingenuous? Or, is he just that inexperienced and stupid, kind of like the police?

    His only legislative success was a bill passed without being read by most of Congress, who publicly admitted they didn’t understand it, and it is falling apart before his very eyes.

    His self planned legacy is beginning to fall apart like wet toilet paper.

  • winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 5:32 PM Flag

    And you have enjoyed every bit of it.

  • winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 5:31 PM Flag

    Right wing lie? The man said it on national TV!!!!

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    ObamaCare, and the IRS (must read)

    by bjspokanimal Oct 23, 2013 6:25 PM
    winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 5:29 PM Flag

    Not to fear. With the ACA process not working, and having been fitfully and poorly constructed and released, many Democrats will start looking forward to the mid-term elections and realize that if they continue to back a poor program that does little or nothing of the things it promised, it will die of its own accord, with help from those that have reelection as their many objective helping kick it to the curb.

    Survival in Washington is the dominant concern of those involved.

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    Obama's sealed college transcripts

    by cpwrguy_99 Oct 23, 2013 7:44 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 5:24 PM Flag

    “For the first time, a clear majority of Americans say they favor legalizing marijuana, as recreational and medical use of the drug gains acceptance across the nation, a poll released on Tuesday showed."

    This is simply more of the liberalism that is helping to destroy this country. And yes, I am older but have also used this product in the past so I have an idea of the problems it can cause. Let's just let everyone do whatever they he$$ they want, when they want, OK?

    That is part of the problem with business today and with our government, we want what we want, right now and you had better let me have it. No one considers the long term view, only the near term self satisfaction view.

    There is nothing wrong with being older, in fact you might even consider that it could happen to you, if you're lucky. There is a slowing down physically and a conservative view that typically comes with age, but there is also a lot of experience and learning that comes with it as well. Perhaps if you make to your senior years, you might learn a bit more about life than you apparently know today.

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    ObamaCare, and the IRS (must read)

    by bjspokanimal Oct 23, 2013 6:25 PM
    winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 2:52 PM Flag

    Don't let then know that have reviewed the costs of the various plans, you aren't supposed to be able to do that until after you sign up. They don't want you to know the costs until you have agreed to pay them.

  • winholder winholder Oct 24, 2013 2:49 PM Flag

    His failure to negotiate and his constant refusal to do so doesn't hold water. They say because it is 'settled law'. #$%$! They have made numerous changes to the law and how it will be introduced, who gets waivers, etc. since it was passed without reading it.

    If it is settled law then leave it alone to succeed or fail as it was written, no more changes, waivers, changes in the planned release dates and penalties. If it is not open to negotiation and change, then it is not open to change, by anyone but Congress through their normal processes.

  • Reply to

    Have we become Russia?

    by ggray1956 Oct 16, 2013 11:21 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 23, 2013 1:29 PM Flag

    First zippy, I have never had anyone posts deleted and don't even know how. I figure if Yahoo will allow a post, it is none of my business to make any attempts at censorship. That I have had your posts or anyone's posts deleted is a flat out falsehood dreamed up in your feeble brain.

    Second there are some government programs that have brought improvements to certain areas of the government. Quite a few of them were being handled just as well at the local or state level and didn't really justify the expense. How many of those programs you listed are actually essential to the everyday existence of the American public. There are a few listed that have always been in the realm of the Federal government, like the military, the GI Bill, but even in those how many have been run efficiently and without waste and fraud having taken their toll? That will be a much shorter list I am sure.

    Keep drinking that Kool-Aid and just hope that you don't one day drown in it. This country will not survive spending its way to prosperity. The government can’t create anything jobs but more Federal workers. The government cannot create wealth for anyone but those involved in the government. The private section and the many businesses that employ the majority of Americans can only do that. Any money the government has, they got from us, and they don’t manage it well. History will hold that be the truth, not your arrogant posts.

  • Reply to

    Have we become Russia?

    by ggray1956 Oct 16, 2013 11:21 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 23, 2013 9:52 AM Flag

    If they are in Washington, I don't care if they are Democratic or Republican; they don't understand the real value of money, what it takes to 'earn' it, or what it takes to spend it wisely. Look at their performance history for the past 50 years.

    They have yet to grasp the logic of not spending what you don't have. They determine that spending on certain projects will gain them some advantage with certain groups and the usefulness of that expense is no longer a consideration. They have little to zero accountability for the performance of any of the programs they institute.

    What government programs and realized the full results of their plan or have performed within the budget expected?

  • Reply to

    Welcome to $658billion Obamascare IT debacle

    by cpwrguy_99 Oct 21, 2013 7:50 PM
    winholder winholder Oct 22, 2013 6:11 PM Flag

    The facts in what law? Are you speaking of the ACA? It is not the same law today that it was when Congress passed it without knowing what it would do to health care or health care costs. Again with the rumors, he wasn't a Harvard professor, he was a guest lecturer.

    He didn't want a law firm job, that wouldn't get him the adoration and influence he wanted. He had to run for IL state legislature and vote as few times as possible so his ignorance and lack of talent and experience wouldn't taint his future.

    He knew that a career in law would not gain him the money he could make as a current or even past politician. Look at the money Slick Willy is making these days for spreading the same 'home spun' nonsense he did while in office. That is what Obama wants, the good stuff.

  • Reply to

    Have we become Russia?

    by ggray1956 Oct 16, 2013 11:21 AM
    winholder winholder Oct 22, 2013 6:06 PM Flag

    Hey zippy, where did he mention Communists? Do you know something we don't? While that is highly unlikely, as Ronnie said, 'there you go again'; making assumptions that you shouldn't be making if you had thought about what you were going to post.

    You stopped being funny some months ago, you may be gaining some of the humor back.

  • Reply to

    Look no further

    by winholder Oct 22, 2013 3:46 PM
    winholder winholder Oct 22, 2013 6:01 PM Flag

    The most trying issue with your idea is...who would hold them accountable? They know that they only way is at election time. They expect that by the time elections roll around that many of their sins will be forgotten and many glossed over by the media that protects either Party.

    We have abundant evidence the voters of this land are not by-and-large bright enough to realize what this government is doing to them over the long run. They are captivated by the 2-30 second sound bites on TV or short headlines in the press or on the Internet. Rarely do most voters read the entire story that is often a contradiction of the headline.

    Voters, mainly because they are driven there by the media tend to get caught up in one-issue debates; the war on women, abortion, change, whatever the current manufactured crisis happens to be. The televised debates are all too often hosted and driven by one side or the other, seldom are they bi-partisan in their questioning. The media and the king makers on both sides run the debates, the elections and the government in between the elections. Public service is a phenomenon of the past. These are career politicians. They study it in school; they eat, sleep, and breathe politics and the methods of gaining political power.

    Government for the people is a thing of ancient history. It is now the government for the politicians and their campaign contributors.

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