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wngr123 764 posts  |  Last Activity: 1 hour 14 minutes ago Member since: Oct 24, 2008
  • wngr123 wngr123 1 hour 14 minutes ago Flag

    " I want tariffs to be used to pay taxes which in a sense is a wage increase and keep investment in the United States."

    Ah, so it's 'kind' of a wage increase. So let me understand, individuals would have extra money but have to pay more for imported goods. The government would have the extra money and choose to pay down the debt with it. Am I understanding you correctly?

  • "I favor the 1789 French approach."

    Explain please.

  • "The size of the debt is less dangerous than the simpleton approach of austerity."

    OK Pistol,

    Let's see what you got. Here's a paragraph I repeated to Jayhawk the other day which he dodged by quoting some obscure Kansas liquor license law.

    "By the way, the Obama budget shows that in 10 years, our accumulated debt will have grown to about $29T from today's $19T, and the debt service will grow from 6% of total outlays today, to 13.5% in 2026. And this is including an increase in personal income taxes of 62%."

    WWPD (What would Pistol do?)

    1. Use the simpleton approach of austerity.
    2. Keep going the way we are going and approach Greek status in a few years.
    3. Use the Jayhawk approach of increasing everyone's wages hoping they will spend the extra money in a way we want them to, and erecting trade barriers to prevent competitively priced imports. Thus accelerating our path to Greekdom.

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    New ABC Poll Numbers

    by greatday43 Jun 26, 2016 4:33 PM

    " Besides, the idea that Trump is a 'baby Christian' is absolute hilarity and deserves to be posted multiple times."

    It's a good thing that Trump supporters like Jeye have a treasure trove of gullibility. Otherwise, the Republicans would have picked someone else, and I might still be a Republican!

    Funny how things work out.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 9:05 PM Flag

    "Perhaps this quote of yours was still in his head:"

    Yes, when one uses his/her own patriotism at the expense of another's to further his argument, it is indeed nonsense.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 7:20 PM Flag

    "obviously you do not know liquor laws in Kansas."
    Uh, no I don't. I'm sorry you couldn't expand your mind to see it as an example of my point. I didn't work in a price regulated industry.

    "I asked a friend who almost qualifies as a member of the what I call the last 35 year GOP wacko club why is it you people can not understand two simple premises .America comes first is one. The other is your sides complete lack of ability to see into the future."

    #1. I'm not a member of the 'GOP wacko club'. You're almost as bad as Jeye for labeling people.

    #2. Why do you assume that since I don't agree with you that I am any less patriotic than you? That's pretty closed minded.

    I don't agree with you, but do I question your patriotism? You are one of those people that are causing this country to be divided. People in this country don't listen to each other. When someone disagrees, they immediately tell them how stupid they are and how they are traitors. %^&* you. I'm done with you.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 3:22 PM Flag

    "What is in the interest of the United States is having our people in productive endeavors creating wealth and making everybody's pie larger and the tax burden smaller"

    Well, I don't think anyone would disagree on that. But that's where our agreement ends. To raise wages in an already uncompetitive country, and then build trade barriers around it doesn't seem very smart to me.

    I don't know if you really own a liquor store or not, but for sake of argument let's say you do. If your sales fall because you are selling booze for more than anyone else, would you actually raise the wages of your employees. Your argument is that then they would have more money to buy your booze. But what if they don't drink, or better yet, what if they took your money and went to the liquor store and bought their booze?

    Just doesn't make sense to me. I suppose that you and Hillary are just that much smarter than I am.

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    More Gov Red Ink 2016

    by jeyebolt2003 Jun 28, 2016 8:39 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 2:39 PM Flag

    " I've ask you why did the people vote against their GOV? Why did we have a Boston Teaparty? Why are voters voting for Trump here?"

    I wouldn't lump the Boston Tea Party in with the rest of them, but for why people are voting for Trump...I would say that they believe he is better than the alternative (not a high bar).

  • Reply to

    More Gov Red Ink 2016

    by jeyebolt2003 Jun 28, 2016 8:39 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 11:19 AM Flag

    "What happened in Britian? "

    What happened in Britain is a disaster. People that don't know what they're doing duped enough voters by playing on their racist and isolationist tendencies. Look at all the buyers remorse going on now. The markets lost $3 trillion, England will likely lose both Scotland and Ireland, the Pound Sterling crashed, numerous international companies are contemplating relocation from London to inside the EU. And Donald Trump thinks this is a 'great idea.

    And you think exiting the EU was a great idea? You are the perfect dupe for the Donald Jeye. A follower with no critical thinking skills.

  • Reply to

    More Gov Red Ink 2016

    by jeyebolt2003 Jun 28, 2016 8:39 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 28, 2016 9:43 AM Flag

    "What? Nobody to take issue with this? Well, Jeye, either everybody's sleeping late or you've finally worn everybody out. "

    It's like arguing with a fence post. He usually doesn't even understand the question
    Nor can he explain his reasons for believing what he says.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 27, 2016 2:42 PM Flag

    "I didn't ask WHEN you think it happened.
    I asked you WHY it happened."

    Yes Persie, but you've only asked twice. You have 5 more to go.

    Got to give Jeye time to google the difference between 'when' and 'why'.

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    During time of our job losses

    by jeyebolt2003 Jun 27, 2016 12:25 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 27, 2016 2:37 PM Flag

    "I think you would all be trapped together in an otherwise empty room with Jeye, arguing over an endless number of subjects for all eternity."

    OMG, you nailed it.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 27, 2016 7:43 AM Flag

    "Your theories have -and would continue to gut the American middle."

    You're not seeing the big picture here. It's not my theories that are gutting the American middle. The issue is that everyone thinks THEY are part of the American middle. Unskilled autoworkers for example, that make $50+ per hour have been taught that they are part of the middle class. They are not. Their skill level and replaceability should not commander that sort of compensation. In addition, the unskilled work that they do is shrinking.

    As a result, they are disappearing. That's the practical reality....it's not my, or anyone else's theory.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 9:57 PM Flag

    " I do not think it is necessary for me to explain currency manipulation to you. Japan holds many of out Ts and tries to hide it to take them out of circulation and drive our currency up."

    No, I understand how and why it happens. I'm interested in why it seems to be so difficult for our government to stop it. Could it be that the holds so much of our debt that it is awkward for us to do much about it? See, a lot of things are related to this whole idea of our debt.

    "Here is another one for Wngr - I will predict now that it does not matter who wins any future trade deals in this country are DOA-and it will last quite awhile."

    I'm quite sure you're right on that. NAFTA displays in living color how much American workers need protection.

    "The average worker in the plants that Apple uses makes 1.85 an hour"

    Here's what you don't understand. American workers don't have to match foreign wages, they only have to approximate the wages plus inbound and outbound logistics. Landed cost is the differentiator. The American unions had a golden opportunity to hold an advantage over the Mexican industry but they blew it. They remained uncompetitive long enough to allow the suppliers to develop their infrastructure, thus reducing inbound freight to a low number.

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 9:17 PM Flag

    "I believe when currency is level the American worker will always win-unless you think like Steven Jobs and prefer workers jumping off buildings making .50 an hour."

    You're right about one thing....we don't agree. While we're waiting for the currency to 'level' (whatever that means) we are going broke. And here's a hint Jayhawky, you lose credibility when you say ridiculous things like $0.50 an hour. You can search my posts and find where I made a case for a competitive wage of $13-15 for US auto workers.

    By the way, I meant to ask you why you didn't mention Mexico along with China and Japan when you were talking about barriers to trade. An oversight or is there a reason?

  • wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 8:25 PM Flag

    "A good way to increase the pie is to see a significant rise in wages across the country. Another is a good dose of Hamiltonian theories in regard to China and Japan"

    Thanks for the history lesson, but I don't care. I'm more interested in today.

    So I take it that your plan would be to increase wages, then set up a series of tariffs and barriers to trade which serve the purpose of protecting an increasingly uncompetitive workforce.

    I know, my spin, but have I captured your thoughts?

  • Here's a short paragraph I took from one of my posts a few minutes ago.

    "By the way, the Obama budget shows that in 10 years, our accumulated debt will have grown to about $29T from today's $19T, and the debt service will grow from 6% of total outlays today, to 13.5% in 2026. And this is including an increase in personal income taxes of 62%."

    What are your thoughts on this? Does this concern you? Do you believe something has to be done to curtail the excess spending in relation the revenue? Should we raise taxes? Should we cut spending? Should we do both? Should we do nothing?

    What would you do?

  • Reply to

    More Bad News for Donald Trump

    by greatday43 Jun 23, 2016 8:57 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 7:17 PM Flag

    " As for the deficit it has always been the GOP (Reagan and W) to shatter debt to GNP ratio.You may of forgot the last President to balance a budget was named Clinton."

    And you may not be aware that the current Democrat has put on another $8T. Try and understand this Jayhawky, I really don't give a hoot who the last one was, Republican...Democrat. They are both guilty. That's why the fundamental way that we pick leaders has to change.

    These two parties are killing us. And it will be in our lifetime. They have to be replaced.

  • Reply to

    More Bad News for Donald Trump

    by greatday43 Jun 23, 2016 8:57 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 7:08 PM Flag

    "It is the GOPs fault-I will answer it for you."

    OK, you win. It's all on the Republicans. Feel better?

    You seem to be intent on blaming someone, I am searching for a remedy. In my mind, neither of the two parties will provide an answer so I am looking elsewhere. It's the people that believe these are the only two choices that are enabling them.

    It seems that the Republicans are imploding...I thought the Democrats were well on their way as well but it appears they may get the nose of their plane up in time this year. We'll see how it goes at THEIR convention.

  • Reply to

    More Bad News for Donald Trump

    by greatday43 Jun 23, 2016 8:57 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2016 6:57 PM Flag

    "Debt and deficit is a tougher issue. First, we have to stop fighting the Soviets."

    If it were only that easy. The total defense budget is $595B out of $3.95T, or 15%. All of the defense spending is approved by congress in appropriations.

    The big elephant in the room is spending on benefits required by law. Adding SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and other mandatory programs comes to $2.5 trillion, or 63% of total outlays.

    Boys and girls, you can't fix the deficit, or even get it under control without taking money away from people in one form or another. And in order to do that, the laws regarding those benefits have to change.

    By the way, the Obama budget shows that in 10 years, our accumulated debt will have grown to about $29T from today's $19T, and the debt service will grow from 6% of total outlays today, to 13.5% in 2026. And this is including an increase in personal income taxes of 62%.

    DOES ANYBODY CARE?

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