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wngr123 145 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 24, 2014 4:27 PM Member since: Oct 24, 2008
  • Reply to

    Unanswered Wngr comments to Cobra

    by wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 3:39 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 26, 2014 10:51 AM Flag

    Earth to Cobra, wake up please. Apparently, you missed my post yesterday. Please see a copy below.

    Message boards are designed to promote conversation. You don't seem to remember the previous day's conversations very well so here's a compilation. Please answer, or indicate that you intend to ignore this comment because you have no good answer.

    Cobra: "Are you telling me he didn't know about this problem until recently?"
    Wngr: "Yes. Why would he? Not his function. Do you understand what GM manufacturing does? Here's a hint, they don't make ignition switches, design ignition switches, or approve ignition switches. They take them out of the shipping containers and put them into steering columns. Period."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "At the end of the day.....your fav company....has lied, and you seem to be having a hard time admitting this."
    Wngr: "Companies don't lie, individuals lie. Who do you believe is lying and why do you claim that? Is it personal opinion or something that has some substance."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "I do have someone in mind, but would rather not say it."
    Wngr: "I doubt it. You're sanctimoniously always telling people they should educate themselves, you should follow your own advice. Read the report so you are able to talk intelligently about this."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "Obviously he failed in this area."
    Wngr: "Apparently you don't understand that manufacturing has launches also, in addition to purchase parts. Listen closely, he was responsible for manufacturing launches. Heard of any GM manufacturing recalls lately? I don't remember any off hand."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "At the end of the day.....your fav company....has lied, and you seem to be having a hard time admitting this."
    Wngr: Companies don't lie, individuals lie. Who do you believe is lying and why do you claim that? Is it personal opinion or something that has some substance."
    Cobra: ?

  • Reply to

    I think GM is a Ponzi Scheme

    by bustabords1 Jun 25, 2014 2:59 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 3:55 PM Flag

    "I think that the dealers are selling to each other."

    You might want to think that through a bit more.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 3:54 PM Flag

    "How about staffing and pay and overtime compensation during the 70's and 80's?"

    There were more levels in the 70's and 80's. We had foremen, general foreman, asst supt, supt, ops mgr, and plt mgr.....6 layers in the plants alone, not counting corporate layers. GM has eliminated the general forman and asst supt layers as well as leaning down the corporate staffing.

    I don't remember for sure, but in the 70's, a first line supervisors base pay was around $30K. If one worked horrendous overtime he may be able to double that.

    If you don't mind, can you identify the company you're talking about?

  • Message boards are designed to promote conversation. You don't seem to remember the previous day's conversations very well so here's a compilation. Please answer, or indicate that you intend to ignore this comment because you have no good answer.

    Cobra: "Are you telling me he didn't know about this problem until recently?"
    Wngr: "Yes. Why would he? Not his function. Do you understand what GM manufacturing does? Here's a hint, they don't make ignition switches, design ignition switches, or approve ignition switches. They take them out of the shipping containers and put them into steering columns. Period."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "At the end of the day.....your fav company....has lied, and you seem to be having a hard time admitting this."
    Wngr: "Companies don't lie, individuals lie. Who do you believe is lying and why do you claim that? Is it personal opinion or something that has some substance."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "I do have someone in mind, but would rather not say it."
    Wngr: "I doubt it. You're sanctimoniously always telling people they should educate themselves, you should follow your own advice. Read the report so you are able to talk intelligently about this."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "Obviously he failed in this area."
    Wngr: "Apparently you don't understand that manufacturing has launches also, in addition to purchase parts. Listen closely, he was responsible for manufacturing launches. Heard of any GM manufacturing recalls lately? I don't remember any off hand."
    Cobra: ?

    Cobra: "At the end of the day.....your fav company....has lied, and you seem to be having a hard time admitting this."
    Wngr: Companies don't lie, individuals lie. Who do you believe is lying and why do you claim that? Is it personal opinion or something that has some substance."
    Cobra: ?

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 12:32 PM Flag

    " I am familiar with a large manufacturing company with somewhere around 125K employees (probably cut in half over the past 10-15 years due to outsourcing and reducing in plant production). They had 16 layers of management in manufacturing."

    16 layers?? Holy cow!!! The GM manufacturing template has 7 layers between the lowest janitor and the CEO. This is the answer to the question perfect_market couldn't answer. They are (starting from the bottom and showing an approximate span of control) : Group leader (32:1), Manager (5:1), Asst. Plant Mgr (10:1), Plt Mgr (8:1, only one mfg. person + other staff functions), Grp Dir of Mfg (8:1), VP - Regional (5:1), VP Global (4:1). In the case of a smaller plant, less than 1,000 employes, the Asst. Plt.Mgr. level is not populated.

    There are no first line managers in GM that are making $150K, I can guarantee that!

  • Reply to

    Marykfaye asked this question:

    by robert_dinero_here Jun 25, 2014 12:07 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 8:35 AM Flag

    "The Cadillac Escalade was just reported as the slowest-selling vehicle made in America."

    They've got to be talking about 2014 models. I can tell you from personal experience it's not true for 2015 models. The dealers can't even keep them on their lots to show people (me). I am now looking at Denali's as a substitute.

  • Reply to

    mary news

    by perfect_market Jun 25, 2014 7:41 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 25, 2014 8:23 AM Flag

    "dateline detroit. flash!"

    There you go....definitely more your speed. When we want your opinion on a REAL discussion, we will call you. Wait by the phone.

    Interesting that you can't even begin to talk about the simplest of management topics. I see you even had to look up what OE is. Comical.

    That's all for now. You are dismissed.

  • Reply to

    I saw Mary Barra on C-SPAN

    by questinator Jun 24, 2014 8:39 PM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 9:01 PM Flag

    Questinator:

    I agree with everything you said.

    "I guess they did not follow the Ford Motor Company, nor read the book "American Icon" that explained how Mulally changed the culture at Ford."

    Members of congress...read a book??

    "Ford seems to be doing quite well."

    Yes they do.

    "Congress think they know how to tell a company how to run it's business, even against they methods that have proven to be successful."

    Most of the members of congress are hypocrites. They presume to sit in judgement of people (not just auto people) when they have a 13% approval level and participate in the most dysfunctional organization in the world.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 8:45 PM Flag

    "quite the colorful individual you are."

    Thank you. I'm sorry but I can't return the compliment. You're quite dull on several levels. I would appreciate it if you could refrain from making dumb statements about things you know nothing about. Thank you in advance.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 8:27 PM Flag

    "Do you know him?"

    Yes, quite well. I'm not sure I would have given him that job to begin with, but he was only in it a little less than a year. In my mind, that's not long enough to evaluate a senior executive and if he was a complete bust, I would have to look at the process that got him there in the first place.

    Cathy Clegg has been a close associate of Mary Barra. I'm beginning to wonder about things.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 7:24 PM Flag

    Persie:

    Let me translate this for you:

    "in one company that has been in failure mode for the last 20 years. yah you're right, i not going to bother trying to explain it to you because you would never understand it or be in a position to apply it!!!"

    actually means "I don't have a freaking clue".

    LMAO

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 7:21 PM Flag

    "daily rate is $3,300. let me know when you want to start. i'll see if i'm available..."

    I didn't think you wanted to get into that discussion. Suspicion confirmed.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 4:54 PM Flag

    Yes. Why would he? Not his function. Do you understand what GM manufacturing does? Here's a hint, they don't make ignition switches, design ignition switches, or approve ignition switches. They take them out of the shipping containers and put them into steering columns. Period.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 4:46 PM Flag

    "what a mess - the organization layers in gm!"

    Based on your experience, how many layers should GM have? Obviously different functions will have a different number of layers, so, let's take manufacturing for example. GM has a manufacturing organization of roughly 130,000 people. From the lowest janitor to the CEO, how many layers would you recommend and what would they be? What would be an appropriate span of control for supervisory and management layers?

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 4:38 PM Flag

    "I do have someone in mind, but would rather not say it."

    I doubt it. You're sanctimoniously always telling people they should educate themselves, you should follow your own advice. Read the report so you are able to talk intelligently about this.

    The others have been fired for lapses in judgement, inaction, and incompetence. I have no problem with that. None.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 4:33 PM Flag

    "Obviously he failed in this area."

    Apparently you don't understand that manufacturing has launches also, in addition to purchase parts. Listen closely, he was responsible for manufacturing launches. Heard of any GM manufacturing recalls lately? I don't remember any off hand.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 3:51 PM Flag

    Yea, moved to a do nothing job from one of the biggest jobs in NA. All because he missed a meeting that had nothing to do with his function. He was the victim of a poorly designed structure.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 2:07 PM Flag

    "I see many criminals, many bystanders that got caught up, and many more people that should have spoken up. "

    Do you have someone in mind, or just generalizing. When you say "I see many criminals" that makes me think you must have someone specific in mind. Or is it just another "feeling".

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 2:00 PM Flag

    How about someone in manufacturing who happened to get his name in the Valukas report.

    BTW, you never told me how was lying.

  • Reply to

    Another Victim Inside GM

    by wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 10:15 AM
    wngr123 wngr123 Jun 24, 2014 11:01 AM Flag

    Do you know who I am talking about and why I called him a victim?

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