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wottowwottow 340 posts  |  Last Activity: 19 hours ago Member since: Jul 2, 2006
  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 4, 2014 1:41 PM Flag

    Oh, please. Market performance has demonstrated beyond all doubt that Microsoft can't compete in mobile, and all the bloat in personnel and funding hasn't helped at all. The reason is simple -- Microsoft has missed the boat. Most of the potential market has already decided who it's going to buy from and and committed to a product line. The market is already nearing saturation, so there is no room for Microsoft to enter the market with a similar product.

    It's much the same reason Microsoft was able to shut other vendors out of the PC market. Now the shoe is on the foot, and you are unable to face the facts of the matter.

    It might be thought that Google faces the same problem in entering the enterprise computing market, but Google is entering with a markedly different product having major competitive advantages. So it's not the same phenomenon at all. Chromebook is a "disruptive" phenomenon.

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 4, 2014 1:04 PM Flag

    "I'm not a GOOG partisan, at all."

    Neither am I. But this board is saturated with over-aggressive Microsoft partisans, Microsoft employees or contractors, no doubt. I call them softie shills, because I have no doubt Microsoft pays them to defend Microsoft in on-line forums.

    You just observed one facet of their typical behavior, which I suppose could be called paranoia, though I object to psychologizing. To them, anyone who doesn't worship Microsoft must be a Microsoft "hater", and must be so because he/she is in the pay of some organization Microsoft sees as a competitor, or at any rate an enemy in some sense because it isn't an ally.

    This attitude is undoubtedly a reflection of the hyper-competitive personality of Microsoft co-founder and former President/CEO/Chairman and still major stockholder Bill Gates.

  • Reply to

    Linus Torvalds To Join Microsoft

    by jeffbeck283 Dec 3, 2014 6:33 AM
    wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 4, 2014 12:16 PM Flag

    Of about the same vintage:

    "If Windows Is Dying, This Guy (Not Google) Killed It
    (Google it.)

    Quoting from Business Insider

    "Microsoft is the biggest enterprise software company in the world and one of the most profitable.

    "But it's flagship product, Windows, is the walking undead, thanks to Microsoft's two huge gaffs: missing out on mobile, and Windows 8, which turned Windows into something the typical consumer doesn't recognize.

    "By building its own Surface PCs and smartphones (with the purchase of Nokia's mobile phone unit), Microsoft has ditched the strategy that originally made Windows win the world. Instead of leaving the PC hardware to many partners, Microsoft wants it all.

    "To no one's surprise, this isn't going over well so far. Sales of Surface PCs are lukewarm and one of Microsoft's biggest hardware partners, HP, is openly running to Google and calling Microsoft a competitor.

    "But Google didn't cause Microsoft's death spiral. Neither did Steve Jobs.

    "The credit goes to something called free open source software (FOSS) and an operating system called Linux, which came from a guy in his dorm room 22 years ago named Linus Torvalds.

    "FOSS is a vastly different way to write software. With FOSS, anyone can use the software for free, copy it, distribute it, change it, in some cases, even sell it (or sell services around it).

    "If there's a bug that needs fixing, or a feature that needs adding, users are free to do it themselves.

  • Google it.

    Quoting:

    "This week’s DockerCon event in Amsterdam was set to be a high profile showing – the first time this white-hot open source initiative was showcasing itself in Europe. The event was somewhat overshadowed by an announcement from CoreOS that it is launching a competitive containerization initiative. But notwithstanding the blemish, the event goes on and, as was expected, Docker (the company, not to be confused with the eponymously named open source initiative) is announcing a raft of developments. So what’s in the news?

    "Orchestration for multi-container applications

    "Some of CoreOS’ criticism about Docker was that it was going well beyond its initial focus on delivering a great container offering. That is to be expected as Docker looks for a viable business model. One of the directions it needs to go in is enabling multi container applications to be built and run. This is, after all, the way real enterprises build applications – an isolated container is pretty much useless in an enterprise development context. Docker is announcing platform services for orchestrating multi-container distributed applications. These orchestration capabilities are designed to enable developers and sysadmins to create and manage distributed applications that are composed of discrete interoperable Docker containers."

    __________________________________________

    Containerization bids fair to revolutionize the development of applications for the enterprise. Another movement Microsoft didn't originate and may be missing out on. Would certainly have missed if Ballmer were still in charge.

  • Reply to

    What ails Google?

    by deep.distrust Dec 4, 2014 11:28 AM
    wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 4, 2014 11:56 AM Flag

    Tsk tsk, don't show how frightened you are of Google.

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 4, 2014 10:57 AM Flag

    Googled it.

    Quoting:

    "Google Inc. plans to boost the commissions it pays some outside firms to sell its workplace software, signaling a more serious challenge to Microsoft Corp. ’s dominance at larger companies, according to people familiar with the matter.

    "The outside firms, known as resellers, now keep 20% of the revenue from Google’s Apps for Work software and services. One common package, which includes Gmail, Docs word processing and Drive cloud storage, is sold to companies for $50 a year per user; Google charges $40, leaving $10 for the reseller.

    "Google will increase these commissions for top-performing resellers to encourage them to sign up more corporate customers, help employees use the software, and fix technical problems, the people said.

    ______________________________________________

    Google getting more serious means Microsoft will lose more customers. Microsoft can no longer afford to be smug.

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 4:35 PM Flag

    Pardon me, but it isn't clear from what you say whether you're planning to work in Linux or BSD. They are sorta related, but not the same.

    SIGWINCH is defined in GNU. Whether the corresponding signal is actually implemented, I can't say.

    bash on my system is version 4.2.25(1) I can't imagine what you're looking at, that would have version numbers as low as those you're seeing.

    I find the version of vi on Linux quite adequate. It's actually VIM (vi IMproved) 7.3. Don't see why you'd need the BSD version if you're porting something to Linux.

    As to termcap, I've had no truck with it on a modern PC. It served to adapt Unix to the welter of CRT dumb terminal models and versions that used to exist in pre-PC days. There seems little need for that, these days.

  • Google it.

    Quoting:

    "As tech shoppers peruse the aisles this holiday season, an increasing number are considering the humble Chromebook.

    "Analysts say sales of the low cost, no fuss laptops that run Google’s (GOOGL) Chrome operating system software could triple from last holiday season, but acknowledge even that would still represent only a small fraction of all laptops sold.

    "Chromebooks don't run the gamut of programs that work on Mac and Windows computers. Instead, they rely mainly on web-based software running in Google’s Chrome browser. That has limited their popularity, but the spread of wifi connectivity and growing usage of cloud-based apps has increased the Chromebook's appeal.

    "Even Adobe is producing a version of its venerable Photoshop app to run on Chromebooks now.

    "Consumers choosing Chromebooks are focused on affordability and versatility, says Stephanie Van Vector, an analyst at ABI Research. The devices are cheaper and easier to maintain than most comparable laptops and, with a built in keyboard, seen as more productive than tablets."

    _____________________________________________

    So, Chromebooks still not putting Microsoft out of business, but the trend is as ominous as ever...

  • Google it.

    Quoting:

    "This week the Windows-maker announced that it acquired Acompli, a provider of mobile email apps for iOS and Android.

    " "In a world where more than half of email messages are first read on a mobile device, it's essential to give people fantastic email experiences wherever they go," Rajesh Jha, Corporate Vice President for Outlook and Office 365, wrote in a post on Microsoft's blog. "The Acompli team is passionate about this quest."

    "Acompli does not currently support Windows Phone, but that didn't stop Microsoft from pursuing an acquisition. There could be a good reason for that."

    _____________________________________________

    Yet another sign Microsoft is edging away from Windows. Probably also a bad sign for Outlook.

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 11:57 AM Flag

    "Free" only in the sense of "gratis". I doubt very much that it's free "libre".

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 11:21 AM Flag

    It's amazing to me the wallybot still behaves as though there were anyone out there who might actually believe Linux is a "failure". A decade or two ago, when Linux was still comparatively unknown, such behavior might have had a certain plausibility about it, but now it's just bizarre.

    Back then, Linux was an outsider looking in, and Microsoft was "in". By now, their positions have almost completely reversed. There are still a good many people out there who remember when Microsoft was dominant, but every year they grow older and fewer, and many of them are already retired or semi-retired. The teens and twenty-somethings are asking "Micro who?".

  • Reply to

    Linus Responds to Vern and Company

    by predisposable_nym_02 Dec 3, 2014 7:42 AM
    wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 11:04 AM Flag

    Ah, I see, thanks for that.

    The Merkey caper was a sideshow I missed when the SCO affair was going on. Might be amusing to dig it up now, but frankly I'm very tired of the SCO affair, so the cranks still harping on it leave me cold. Their use of Indian-sounding nyms strikes me as just plain odd, quirky. I thought perhaps it meant Microsoft is offshoring its shill corps, but perhaps it's more significant than that...

  • wottowwottow by wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 10:18 AM Flag

    Google it.

    Quoting:

    "...Microsoft has turned on a "Creative Commons" copyright filter when inserting images into an Office document through Bing. The company is also providing links to copyright information review whether the images can be properly licensed.

    "However, you are responsible for respecting others' rights, including copyright," Microsoft noted in a blog post.

    "Clip Art is just the latest 1990's mainstay that Microsoft killed this year. In March, Microsoft pulled the plug on MSN Messenger, a chat service that once boasted 300 million members but had since been surpassed by Facebook, Google and other services.

    ______________________________________________

    One by one, Microsoft's offerings are being made obsolete. Its mainstays, Windows and Office, are arguably already redundant, but still sustained by inertia. The public will not abandon them all at once, but are already drifting away piecemeal. Can Microsoft do anything about that? The company is already doing what it can, i.e. discounting its offerings, in some cases all the way to zero. That slows the leakage, but doesn't stop it altogether.

  • Reply to

    Linus Responds to Vern and Company

    by predisposable_nym_02 Dec 3, 2014 7:42 AM
    wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 3, 2014 10:03 AM Flag

    Who is Vern and company?

  • Google it.

    Quoting:

    "Microsoft and H-P are giving away a brand new laptop. Well, practically giving it away.

    "The HP Stream 11 runs a full version of Windows 8.1 yet costs only $200. But wait, there’s more: It also comes with a free year of Office 365 and 1 terabyte of Microsoft OneDrive cloud storage—a $70 value. Buyers even get a $25 gift certificate for the Microsoft Windows Store. Do the math and this laptop costs $105.

    "It really does sound like one of those too-good-to-be-true, shopping-network deals, minus, of course, the “four easy installments” plan and “Call right now!” instructions. But this isn’t even a holiday special or a clearance deal. It’s Microsoft’s new strategy to try to destroy Google ’s low-cost, cloud-based Chromebooks.

    "In fact, recouping some of the low-end laptop market is so important to Microsoft, the company priced the Stream to undercut the most popular Chromebooks, which are typically $250 to $350."

    ____________________________________________

    Ya think Microsoft is worried?

    Wonder what Microsoft's license fee on this is...

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 2, 2014 4:41 PM Flag

    Cool.

    I think I mentioned I've bought a Chromebook myself, just to experiment with it. So far I'm enjoying it.

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 2, 2014 4:32 PM Flag

    LOL I had missed that particular freakshow...

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 2, 2014 2:50 PM Flag

    LOL there you go, projecting your faults onto me. I made no attempt "throw mud on the author". I simply pointed out who the author is, and invited others to draw their own conclusions.

    No one has ever claimed that "software HAS TO be free." (Emphasis mine.) Have fun making up phony arguments.

    There is a claim, however, that there are advantages to software being free, in the sense of "libre", NOT "gratis". The main advantage I can see, from the user's viewpoint is that if one has access to the source code, one can know exactly what the software does and does not do. From the author's standpoint, the main advantage I can see is that one need not assume the sole responsibility for improving the software; long experience has shown that, given the opportunity, knowledgeable users will volunteer advice on how to improve the software (which is much more valuable than mere complaining). By now, pretty near every major company in the industry recognizes all that, and even Microsoft is beginning to see the light.

  • Google it.

    A series of 10 articles by Puneet Sikka.

    Toward the end of the series he makes the point the Google's market share is now increasing by much smaller percentages than Microsoft's. But of course that is mathematically necessary, and not an ominous trend for Google. Once you have 84% of a market, obviously you can't double it again. The question to ask is, what fraction of the remaining 16% does Google take each year? And how does that compare with the fraction Microsoft takes in the same time?

  • wottowwottow wottowwottow Dec 2, 2014 12:52 PM Flag

    The author of these remarks is one Dr. Mark Tarver (google it), who has also written a number of other screeds in the same vein. One of them is entitled, "Why I Am Not a Professor".

    Anyone interested is invited to read as much of his stuff as you can stomach...

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