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13,000 is next Dow milestone, with record in sight

Dow within reach of 13,000, and an all-time high isn't far beyond; 'the mood is just better'

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NEW YORK (AP) -- It was just last summer that the Dow Jones industrial average shed 2,000 points in three terrifying weeks. Investors had a host of things to worry about, including the possibility of another recession.

Now the Dow is within reach of the rarefied 13,000 mark — a level it hasn't seen since May 2008, four months before the financial system almost came apart.

A strong one-day rally — caused by a deal on bailout money for Greece, perhaps, or an unexpectedly positive economic report — could put it over the top.

What's more, the average is just a 10 percent rally from an all-time high. And 10 percent rallies can happen fast these days.

The stomach-turning summer is a bad memory. Europe appears to be getting its act together, last summer's downgrade of the U.S.' credit rating was quickly forgotten, Washington is mostly behaving, and recession fears are gone.

"There are signs that the economy is getting back on its feet and the market is reacting to that," says John Prestbo, executive director of Dow Jones Indexes. "The mood is just better in this country than it has been for a while."

On Wall Street, too. The Dow traded Tuesday at 12,878, a 21 percent rally from Oct. 3, its low point for last year. In January, the average rose more or less in a straight line and added 3.4 percent, its best start to a year since 1997.

From here, the record is tantalizingly close — 14,164.53, reached Oct. 9, 2007, when the investment houses Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers still existed and the unemployment rate was 4.7 percent.

A 10 percent surge may seem like a lot, but it's really not. The Dow has gained almost 15 percent since Nov. 25, just 10 weeks ago.

Though there's a long way to go to get the country back to economic health, there are pockets of encouragement. Unemployment is still 8.3 percent, but it's the lowest since February 2009. Economic output grew every quarter last year.

Corporate earnings growth has slowed, but analysts think it will pick up again later this year. Investors, always wary of uncertainty, may even be encouraged by some clarity in the Republican presidential nominating race.

Investors are no longer just trying to stem their losses, says Mark Lehmann, president of JMP Securities in San Francisco: "They're playing a little offense. Six months ago, they were playing defense."

There's evidence that the rally has room to run. In a popular measure of how expensive stocks are, the 30 companies that make up the Dow are trading at an average of about 13 times their annual earnings per share.

The last time the Dow was at 13,000, in May 2008, stocks were trading for about 15 times earnings. Stock-market research firm Birinyi Associates estimates Dow stocks have traded at an average of 16 times earnings over the past two decades.

The fire-sale discounts have already come and gone, though. Those were back in early 2009, when the Dow bottomed at 6,547.05, its Great Recession low — a little more than half the level now. Back then, Dow stocks traded at nine times earnings.

Not everyone believes the rally will last. Joe Gordon, managing partner at Gordon Asset Management in North Carolina, is dubious. He cites the unresolved European debt crisis, the U.S.' historically high national debt and the millions of people who have given up looking for work, part of the so-called underemployed.

"This is like drinking a lot of coffee in the afternoon," says Gordon. "It perks you up, then once it fades 45 minutes later you're even more tired."

Another wrinkle is that the Dow tracks just 30 companies, so it doesn't take the full pulse of the market. The Standard & Poor's 500, with its much larger roster, is still 16 percent away from its all-time high.

"It's 30 stocks," says Rob Leiphart, an analyst at Birinyi. "It doesn't give you a representation of anything."

But despite its size, the Dow is the market gauge that penetrates the public consciousness, generating headlines and water cooler buzz more than the less publicized S&P.

That's important because the stock market, even if it has no direct bearing on the fundamentals of the economy, is a psychological motivator of spending because of something known as the wealth effect.

Even people with no stock investments will let their decisions be influenced by swings in the Dow. When it's up, we tend to feel richer and spend more. When it's down — think back to the 500-point daily declines of 2008 — we tend to feel poorer and spend less.

There's good reason the Dow has pull over the financial mood of the country. Its 30 stocks account for 25 to 30 percent of the market value of all U.S. public companies, and about 40 percent of the dividends, Dow Jones Indexes estimates.

"Nothing of substance can happen in this economy without these companies feeling it," Prestbo says.

A handful of companies have an outsized impact on the index. The Dow is a price-weighted average, which means companies with more expensive stocks have more power to drive the average higher or lower.

If you invest $30 in a mutual fund tracking the Dow, you don't have a dollar riding on each company. Four times as much of your money would end up on Home Depot, which is trading around $45, than Alcoa, trading around $11.

IBM, the highest-priced stock in the Dow, had a giant influence last year. The Dow rose 5.5 percent in 2011, but without IBM it would have risen only 3.4 percent, according to Leiphart's calculations.

If you were to cut out the next three stocks on the list, McDonald's, Chevron and ExxonMobil, then the Dow would have finished down 0.25 percent for the year.

The flip side is that stocks like Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Microsoft and Intel trade well below the 13 times earnings for the full Dow. If they catch up, it could be enough to power the average to a record.

 

71 comments

  • Peter  •  3 months ago
    You people complain about everything. If the market is down, you complain. If the market is up, you still complain. My guess is that you are all a bunch of unsuccessful market timers. You bought high and sold low and now you are mad that the market has erased most of the losses. Here is some advice, stop timing and start invetsing. Pick a level of stock exposure (ie. 60/40 stock/bond) you are comfortable with for the long term and rebalance when the ratio gets out of balance.
    • bigblu 3 months ago
      Gee ,golly, thanks stock picker! I'm calling Charles Schwab right now
  • Al  •  Providence, Rhode Island  •  3 months ago
    The time is right, put everything you have, including your house, into the market.
    When the EU deal with Greece falls through, and the other EU countries start falling like dominoes, and you lose everything, you can always blame the media. Wise up!
    • James 3 months ago
      Poor investment options will do that to you. I had some in BOA before, but sold once it climbed back up to break even.

      I'm sure it would have climbed further, but I was a little fed up with them.
  • proposedsolutionsblogspot  •  3 months ago
    Partly from con-job. We had 2.7 million jobs lost last month but the 243K gain number was the seasonally adjusted number which it the monthly averaging to remove fluctuations, but which is not the actual numbers. The BLS now removes the actual numbers from the employment report and bury it in their web site.
    Do you people understand this? I think 99% do not even know this because the media is not helping you out. You must check to verify and then you know the ugly side of our government even more.
    • nobody 3 months ago
      Some of us know it and checked it out, but almost everyone chooses to be ignorant and rely on the media spoon-feeding them tainted information. It's sad this is happening.
    • James 3 months ago
      No, some (the 90% of us working) of us have gotten tired of paying taxes to support those that in 99 weeks cannot find a job. If I limit my search to the 10 miles around my house I wouldn't find work either.

      If one cannot find work in 99 weeks then it's likely they're not employable. My friends and I discuss our companies and see postings for hundreds of jobs, but it requires degrees in useful fields like business, accounting, IT, etc...
    • Tim 3 months ago
      We lost over 2 million jobs every year, in good times too. That's why it's called seasonality, and why they've used seasonally adjusted numbers for so long. Using seasonally adjusted numbers actually gives you worse results (meaning fewer jobs created) during some periods of the year, so to say that the BLS numbers are purposely manipulated is ridiculous.
  • nobody  •  3 months ago
    More huge lay-offs announced. But the BLS spins its numbers and the media follows suit. Just last week I read of over 40,000 people being laid off - and that was just in a few stories.
  • Bird  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
    Every Republican President has left a disaster since Reagan, who was the worst ever.
    Reagan left Bush 1 huge debt and deficits, the largest at it's time (Bush HAD to raise taxes, and he was penalized as a one term President) Bush 2 tried to follow the same Reagan montra, employed the same Reagan people, and we he left, same result. He left a bigger disaster, than Reagan. By your logic THIS congress should be responsible for the improvement in the job numbers, and the economy, that no matter what the naysayers claim, is certainly better than after Bush left. (I'll get to that in a minute) However THIS congress isn't trying to take credit for anything, but would lead you now to believe, we could have had this result sooner. (Thus acknowledging things are in fact BETTER than 4 years ago.)
    The day the President took office 750,000 americans a month were losing jobs.
    The day the President took office the auto industry was bankrupt.
    The day the President took over Osama Bin Laden was alive and posing a threat.
    The day the President took over Banks weren't even lending money.
    The day the President took over we removed the Republicans and gained a majority in the House , and Senate.
    The day the President took over the dow was under 9,000, and would drop to 6 thousand.
    The day the President took over was the day we killed the phony Reagan economic policies.
    The day Bush took over we had a surplus and 8 years later we had disaster.
    You can't simply blame congress for the economy, unless you didn't know the President has veto power, and since Bush never vetoed any democratic congressional proposals, I guess that means he was leading from behind...
    • anonymous 3 months ago
      Obama has spent more money in 3 years than Bush did in 8. I am no Bush supporter, what he did was bad for this country. Obama promised to cut the deficit and he always opposed raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator. Now that he's in office the Federal debt is out of control to the tune of 15 trillion. Add in all the proposed scheduled increases to entitlements on top of that.
      To re-elect this President this populace has got to be the among most ignorant in the world.
    • Carole 3 months ago
      Anonymous, the debt you lay at President Obama's feet is in fact debt created by George W Bush with his two enormous "temporary" tax cuts to his "base" the ultra wealthy, run-away spending, and his two unnecessary, unfunded, and off-budget wars. These three factors that continue to compound, account for the majority of the unfunded budget today and the run-up of our national debt.
  • Daemonicus  •  3 months ago
    The Market is not going up on fundamentals. The Fed's easy credit policy continues to pump and prop it up.
  • Gary in Texas  •  Rocksprings, Texas  •  3 months ago
    ELECTION YEAR HOGWASH , BEWARE OF THE BIG DROP !!!
  • something that might work ...  •  3 months ago
    After the rampant Fed-pumped inflation, 13,000 is what in 1999 dollars? Like 8000?
  • Brandon Turner  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 months ago
    Dollar value goes down, stocks go up.... hmmm i've seen this before
    • SJS 3 months ago
      Indeed you have. It is called "Smart Money." Smart Money is always trying to make more money. If the dollar looks weak and stocks look like they have room to run, the Smart Money moves to stocks. All it takes is seconds. Believe it or not, quite a bit of it is done by machine today. It is eternal ebb and flow of Smart Money that you are watching.
  • Scott C  •  3 months ago
    Debt trade return during bank cycles can beat equity return. In the past 30 year cycle, the returns were on average: Debt, 11.2% // year; equities, 10.5% // year -- first time secured debt has beaten unsecured equities on length cycle since before the US Civil War.
    If this bank cycle continues, then that is US swan song, like Russia, 100 years ago. Money making new economy cycle must now prevail over supply side bank market money-take down of previously allegedly obsolete earnings cycle from 1932 through 1981. Logically, this would point to higher stock prices now.
    100 year, 4 generation cycle, DJIA accelerated strongly from 1912, 1913 [April, 1913, Federal Reserve Act signed under the newly elected President Wilson] through 1916, then dive-bombed during WW I -- Liberty Bonds did well.
    Track options, futures, general short // long positions and general trends; beware sudden overseas geopoliticals -- note early morning Mo, 10/19/1987.
  • fabrola  •  3 months ago
    ARTIFICIAL PUMP ACTION FROM THE FED AND EUROPE BANKERS WITH NO SOUND BASE
  • Blue Bird  •  Appleton, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
    Election year...many magical things will happen thie year... You may believe the economy is great. Eurozone is not a problem and your job is safe. Change you can believe in "this year"
  • DG Reid  •  Austin, Texas  •  3 months ago
    There is a lot of talk about what the DOW is doing, and none about why it is justified. It simply highlights that trading is a high stakes game where the hucksters are on the financial websites versus standing outside tents. Searching for meaning in the numbers is a fruitless task. This doesn't mean you can't make money, but stop all the talk about the DOW and the economy.
  • ONE MORE COMMA  •  Oklahoma City, Oklahoma  •  3 months ago
    Right about now is the time all the noise traders will be jumping in... for those who held and bought through the recession it's about to pay off. GO DOW GO!
  • Turnstiles  •  3 months ago
    When the market goes down, republicans blame the democratic president.
    When the market goes up, republicans say it has nothing to do with who's president.
  • Freddie  •  Hartford, Connecticut  •  3 months ago
    Wait! The stock market rising is Obama's fault! We've got to get him out of office before we become a wealthy country again! Vote stupid and drunk, and vote often.
  • RUNNER1200  •  3 months ago
    I'm sorry, but last year's swings, Europe, the Middle East, and American budget deficits make Wall Street look more like Las Vegas to me.
  • Roland  •  3 months ago
    The market is and will keep going up because of Fed liquidity. Conversely, people who save money get garbage returns because of Fed policies. The great hosing of Americans. Bernanke says enjoy earning .007 on your money.
  • anon  •  3 months ago
    buy the way corporate profits are doing just fine - thank you
  • pete  •  Rochester, New York  •  3 months ago
    After all the small investors were shepherded out when the Dow was in the 11000's and even adjusted their 401K's distributions to protect what little they had, they are being guided back in at the top so that they can be double slammed. Unbelievable.
 
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