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5% Returns Will Be 'Upper Echelon' for Years: Gross

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Most investors for the next several years will be lucky to get a 5 percent return in their portfolios thanks to the growth-constricting debt problems in the U.S. and Europe, Pimco's Bill Gross said.

Europe's "dysfunctional family" of disparate nations will make a long-term debt solution elusive and cause the crisis to spread to other countries, said Gross, who as co-CEO at Pimco helps run the world's largest bond fund.

In his monthly commentary, Gross paints a grim picture of Europe's future and advises investors to avoid the region and focus on other parts of the world such as Brazil and Asia.

"Investors should recognize that Euroland's problems are global and secular in nature, reflecting worldwide delevering and growth dynamics that began in 2008," he wrote. "It will be years before Euroland, the United States, Japan and developed nations in total can constructively escape from their straightjacket of high debt and low growth."

Until then, he said, investors should get used to low rates, slow growth and weak returns from their portfolios.

"If you can get long-term returns of 5 percent from either stocks or bonds, you should consider yourself or your portfolio in the upper echelon of competitors," Gross wrote.

Pimco itself has come under some criticism for its investment strategy this year.

Gross a few months ago owned up to his firm's mistake in 2011 of directing investors away from Treasurys. Despite the heavy $15 trillion debt load and $1.3 trillion budget deficit, investors have continued to snap up U.S. notes and bonds as a safe haven against the turmoil from Greece, Italy and other peripheral eurozone nations.

Pimco's showcase $244 billion Total Return Fund (NASDAQ: PTTRX - News) is up just over 2 percent for the year. Pimco overall has $1.35 trillion under management.

Gross has pointed out that the firm has done well despite missing the mark on Treasurys, and he advocates finding the "cleanest dirty shirts" in which to invest. Among them are the U.S., Canada, United Kingdom and Australia. He also advocates finding higher-quality corporate bonds in 2012 as economic growth slows.

"Because of Euroland's family feud, because of too much global debt, because of deflationary policy solutions that are in some cases too little, in some cases ill conceived, and in many cases too late," Gross said, "financial markets will remain low returning and frequently frightening for months/years to come."



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123 comments

  • BIG TEX  •  5 months ago
    Thats better than money market or savings account
    • phunk 5 months ago
      You have a savings account? Might as well put it under the mattress!
  • Keith  •  5 months ago
    Billy boy, your fund is in the bottom 20% of performers. Get to work minding the store.
  • Taxpayer-700B  •  5 months ago
    I'd be happy just to recover from this year's 9.2% YTD loss on my Fidelity 401k.
    • smoke 5 months ago
      Sell it and take your loss, Buy at the bottom and you will make up your losses and get a gain.
    • Ricky Retardo 5 months ago
      I think Smoke is blowing some.
    • Jason 5 months ago
      Smoke is dead right. Drop the garbage in your 401K and pick up something that gives you real estate exposure like REAIX.
  • Don Brown  •  5 months ago
    5% returns???? Where do I sign???
    • tlb 5 months ago
      Try preferred stock in reliable companies. I'm getting 5-8%, some price volatility but not much lately. They went all the way down when stocks did but bounced back fully (stocks still have not done so).
    • phunk 5 months ago
      Preferred stock is a good way to go, but if you want little volitility than for the next 18 months look to GNMA bond funds. Franklin US Government Securities fund yielding 5.75% three years running, only one negative year in the last 20. HOWEVER, get out of it by the middle of 2013 when interest rates start to rise.
    • Travis 5 months ago
      Don message me. I can show you a great return, safe and secure.
  • timmer  •  5 months ago
    Im not saying we go all isolationist but its high time the US pull back and regroup. we cant save Europe or solve their problems. we dont control those countries or write their financial laws. we cant persecute their criminal financiers. heck we hardly prosecute our own.Our own government throws away billions on basically crap and does little to support the base. how can we expect the other countries to do what we wont. If folks pulled our money out of all these foreign countries and invented it in the US we would be doing way better and as an side effect the rest of the global economy would perk up. until we as US citizens wake up and put our short term greed on hold and basically go long USA this economic crisis will continue. the US citizen has the power to turn it around. IF we would only be willing to put on our big boy and big girl panties and man and woman up we would see a big turn around. But as long as we run scared we will be in big trouble. One of the first things we need to do is to tell our legislators to quit messing around and negotiate and capitulate and work not for the benefit of their particular parties power structure but to benefit the country as a whole. We do that and things will start to change right away. We got the power to change this #$%$ we just have to be willing to stand up and use it.
    • Taxpayer-700B 5 months ago
      The 1% has the power, and it's working out just fine for them. Don't expect any changes.
    • Aggie in CA 5 months ago
      We cannot disentangle ourselves. Our corporations are global. They went and will continue to go where they can optimize their profits. We are seen mainly as 'consumers' by these corporations, but our population is small compared to the rising population of Asian consumers. We have millions; they have billions. This is the tragic fact.
    • Topdog 5 months ago
      Can't save Europe. The U.S. is in worse shape it's only a matter of time before the dominos begin to fall.
  • GOD BLESS AMERICA 2012  •  5 months ago
    Too much debt out there and nothing to back that debt, that's the problem. It's like shuffling from credit card to credit card without any inflow of capital.
    • John 5 months ago
      as long as it can be paid whats the reason for backing it with something? QE3 buddy is the simple answer, buy some gold and sleep well at night.
  • Glenn  •  5 months ago
    What will that do to pension funds that assume 8-9% growth year in and year out? A big problem getting bigger.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  5 months ago
    Everybody in the world in debt up to their ears, scrambling for money, yet savers who have money can't earn a dime in interest on it, thanks to worldwide central bank intervention. A pox on the deadbeats, the badly-run banks, and the central bankers' efforts to sweep it all under the rug.
  • Gre-Gre  •  5 months ago
    Thank your politicians. They use deficit spending to buy votes and that is why they will never pass a balanced budget amendment.
  • Robert  •  5 months ago
    Not just the government , some families pay more a month for cell phone service then i pay for condo maintenance fees . How many wide screen TVs for the kids ? How about those extra cars not really needed ? How about eating out all the time at restaurants people really can't afford ? How about that 4 bedroom house instead of the 3 bedroom house some people should have bought ? Yes the government in this country and others are corrupt and broke . Who voted these people into government ? who supported wars we couldn't afford ? A lot of people will find the answers to these questions by simply looking in the mirror and quit blaming others for poor decisions . Of course don't feel to bad just read the rise and fall of the Roman empire , it's all been done before .
  • Mytwocents  •  5 months ago
    The old addage ..." A penny saved is a penny earned" has once again found its relevance in these tough economic times. I for one am not too proud to bend down and pick up that stray penny that I may come across on the sidewalk/ground.
  • Paul  •  5 months ago
    At least Gross and company are not useful idiot cheerleaders like the commentators on CNBC and most of their guests. Toadaly makes a very valid point. Except for some exceptional periods. returns have been paltry in the equity market.
  • Resonance1  •  5 months ago
    In a world of paltry returns, the best approach is to eliminate any outstanding debt, avoid new debt like the plague, and avoid any risky investments! Gross is spelling it out; risk averse is the order of the day. Prservation of capital is priority one. Insane mrkts are bad!
  • The_Mick  •  5 months ago
    I used to invest primarily in "growth stocks" but this decade I've gravitated to companies that pay 2%-6% in dividends and are gorillas in their sectors, so they're likely to increase stock share value over time. The dividend is a big hedge against market dips - reinvesting them is like dollar-cost-averaging - and beats 2% bank CDs at a relatively small risk of the principal. I mean companies like AT&T, Abbott Labs, and Mcdonalds.
  • Pete  •  5 months ago
    Wall Street will find a way to make sure you don't make too much over a CD ratre!!
  • somebody  •  5 months ago
    well at least i did better than pimco can I get a 10 million dollar salary now?
  • NUNYA14  •  5 months ago
    If everyone owes the credit compnaies and the credit compnaies can't get paid because the people can't find jobs and theirs no jobs because everything is made outside the US then what happens Uncle Sam?
  • Mike  •  5 months ago
    We have had years where the markets were down 20% or more and then rebounded the following year. There is alot of money out there just sitting and sooner or later it will be invested because it's worth nothing otherwise. My sense is that it's more political than anything else.
  • john z  •  5 months ago
    That's good compared to the.25% most banks pay in interest. If that much.
  • Steve  •  5 months ago
    Ever since this guy got it completely wrong on bonds saying to sell just before the biggest rally in years (and in what is supposedly their area of expertise!) I don't listen to a word of what he's saying.
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