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Apple Investors Divided on Dividends

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CUPERTINO, Calif. (TheStreet) -- Apple investors will be closely monitoring the company's annual shareholder meeting on Thursday to see whether CEO Tim Cook makes a bold dividend move.

A famous dividend non-payer, chatter about a possible dividend has swirled around Apple in recent months, and Cook has already hinted that he may rethink the company's cash strategy. Speaking last week at the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference, the CEO acknowledged that Apple has more cash than it needs.

Apple holds its annual shareholder meeting on Thursday

Cook, who became CEO shortly before iconic Apple co-founder Steve Jobs died last year, added that the company's dividend discussions are proceeding apace. The investor meeting will be Cook's first since assuming the CEO role.

Apple investors, however, are divided on what type of dividend is best, if indeed the company heads down that path.

"A lot of people are talking about a one-time dividend, which to me doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do," explained Ernie Varitimos, who runs the Apple Investor Trade Room. "I don't see the utility of it; it would benefit a few people that are in the right place at the right time -- that's not what Apple is about, they are about creating value and lasting value."

Instead, Varitimos wants Apple to institute a recurring dividend. "I would like to see a regular dividend -- that would be a good use of their cash," he told TheStreet. "I think that would spur a lot more institutional investment in Apple and bring it up to parity with other companies."

Not everyone, however, agrees that this would be the best course of action for the gadget giant.

"I, along with many Apple shareholders, would be very disappointed if they simply begin paying a regular dividend of 2 percent to 3 percent," explained Chad Brand, president of Peridot Capital Management and author of the Peridot Capitalist blog. "Not only would that create no shareholder value, but it would not stop the cash balance from growing -- we really need a large buyback or special one-time dividend or both."

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Brand also called for more clarity from Cupertino on this issue. "The fact that Cook and the board have not even indicated which route is more likely is highly disappointing," he said. "And if their decision is not very bold, cash will keep piling up at a rate of billions per quarter, and we will have to deal with this problem every year or so, assuming the company continues to do so well."

Apple stopped paying a dividend in 1995, although, with a cash position of almost $100 billion, the tech giant has been coming under pressure to reinstate the payment. Some 70% of the respondents to TheStreet's recent poll said that Apple should start carving off its vast $96.7 billion cash haul. Almost a third of respondents, however, say that a dividend's not necessary, noting that that the iPhone maker has better uses for its cash.

Peridot's Brand, though, doesn't agree. "From a shareholder perspective, the ever-rising cash balance is most disturbing and most important at this stage," he wrote. "The fact that they keep saying they are beginning to think about it more is pretty annoying -- it is not an issue that takes months to figure out -- their options are limited and fairly common at other companies."

Despite the clamor for Apple to carve off its cash, the tech giant is not alone in avoiding dividends. Google and EMC , for example, are among the handful of large-cap names eschewing payments. At the other end of the scale, companies like IBM and HP are regular dividend payers, while Microsoft made its first payment in 2003, and Cisco announced its first-ever cash dividend last year.

Whatever Apple decides to do with its cash, one thing can't be disputed -- the company's off to an impressive start in 2012. Apple's share price recently surpassed $500 for the first time, highlighting the firm's ongoing momentum. Shares of the iPhone maker have climbed more than 26% this year, boosted by stellar first-quarter results and the scintillating prospect of new gadgets later this year.

In addition to the iPad 3, which could make its debut as soon as next month, Apple is also expected to launch a new version of the iPhone this year, as well as, potentially, a TV offering.

At least one investor, though, said that he also wants to hear about Apple's innovation engine beyond 2012.

"My focus is on the innovation culture of the company -- how Apple is deciding on future products, not just products currently in the pipeline" noted Michael Yoshikami, CEO and founder of YCMNET Advisors, in an email to TheStreet. "My interest is on the creativity factor as Apple seeks to move past Steve Jobs. Yes, talk about the dividend possibility is important but what makes Apple unique is its ability to bring exciting product to the market."

Apple shares rose $1.80, or 0.35%, to $514.84 shortly after market open on Thursday.

-- Written by James Rogers in New York

>To follow the writer on Twitter, go to http://twitter.com/jamesjrogers.

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51 comments

  • Bruce  •  Reno, Nevada  •  3 months ago
    I'll never buy an Apple product untill they start making them here in the USA!
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    lol... having billions pile up is a "problem"
    • chitown 3 months ago
      It is when you're beholden to creating value for your investors who own the company. Too much unspent cash helps nobody.
  • justin  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 months ago
    Invest in research and developement: it is a BUSINESS, it is supposed to make things that people want to buy.
    • salebored 3 months ago
      More addictive gadgets, just what americans need,.It's religion, with these little e-Buybulls to worship.
    • Anonymous 3 months ago
      I think they should go into robotics research...they design their own chips, make awesome multitouch sensors (perfect for robot skin), they are researching with siri, and they have the cash to make humanoid robots happen!!
    • Chasten 3 months ago
      They spend tons in R&D. And apparently their sales numbers are showing they do build things people want.

      They need a big acquisition. Netflix would be perfect complement to the iTV and iTunes Store.
  • Count  •  Union City, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
    Apple should hire Americans to build some of their products if they are so flush with cash. There are people all over Ohio, Michigan and Indiana who would consider $12/ hr a good wage.
    • lisa 3 months ago
      AGREE
    • Josh 3 months ago
      I agree as well, but they are paying less than $2.00 an hour right now in these big Foxcom factoires. it's not like it's an extra dollar an hour. Even at $12 that would quintuple the current wages.
    • Dayton Local 3 months ago
      They are also more efficient at foxcom without the hassle of a union to deal with.
  • AstroBoy  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 months ago
    I don't want a dividend, I want a free iPhone for life.
  • Anonymous  •  3 months ago
    I think they should go into robotics research...they design their own chips, make awesome multitouch sensors (perfect for robot skin), they are researching with siri, and they have the cash to make humanoid robots happen!!
    • Angus Scrimm 3 months ago
      Now that - buying INTC is not bad advice...
  • burrabbit  •  3 months ago
    Apple TV ! That will get them broke again or lets try another ISP site.
  • Mike  •  San Marcos, Texas  •  3 months ago
    I'd like to see a 10 for 1 split, to open the door to smaller investors. Think about how many people out there that would like to own a piece of the Apple pie, but don't, because they can't afford to buy more than a handfull shares or so at the current price. Also, I'd like to see a small recurring dividend of about 1 percent. If I own part of the company, I do want to actually get a little bit of the profit. 1 percent isn't much, but, I guarantee it's enough to drive the stock price up by at least 1 percent. But, any more than a 1 percent dividend and you do lose some of that cash reserve that can be used for R&D, which is what creates new products, and the continuous flow of new products that are actually in demand is what has made owning Apple stock desirable in the first place.

    I've seen a few posts saying they should buy another company. One, being Netflix. If they buy Netflix, then any move they make with Netflix or the movie/tv offerings on the Apple store, could have a cannibalization effect on the other's revenue/profits. Plus, Netflix is trading at a 27.03 P/E as we speak, fairly high priced. Add the fact that the shares would soar just on rumor of an Apple buyout, and I bet you'd easily see that P/E jump to over 30. Also, takeovers always involve the buying company pay a premium over the current trading price, and you'd possibly be looking at Apple buying Netflix in the 33 to 35 P/E range...that's expensive. But, as a current Netflix customer, I'd kind of like to see it, maybe Netflix would finally start adding some newer movies to the streaming portion that weren't box office flops or films I've never heard of. A vast majority of what they are adding on that service is tv shows that are no longer on the air. I like them, but, I hate seeing a film come out to Redbox multiple months before I could ever expect it to be on the streaming Netflix. I'd even pay an extra buck or two a month for this to happen, and I'm sure a majority of the streaming customers would agree.

    I've also seen a few that say they should buy IBM. Not a bad idea, but the money they'd spend on just getting the deal to go through the SEC would be a fortune, plus, they'd pay a hefty premium over the current trading price for the same reason I stated with Netflix. Granted, IBM's current P/E of 15.16 makes it a relatively good price, you'd probably see Apple having to pay over a 20 P/E price for IBM. Plus, the current IBM investors are going to fight an Apple takeover, since they currently get a 1.6% dividend through IBM, and if Apple were to try to buy IBM, but not offer a dividend, you'd also see Apple having to factor that into their offer. Looking at the market cap for IBM, it'd take a lot of Apple's cash reserve to make the deal go through, plus, a serious stock swap just for Apple to be able to afford it, which would piss off Apple investors because their shares would simply be diluted down in price. I just don't see the value in Apple trying to buy IBM.
  • cootiegiver  •  3 months ago
    Pay those dividends before Obama jacks up the tax rate on dividends.
  • Chasten  •  3 months ago
    Apple should:
    -Buy Netflix
    -6 for 1 stock split
    -No dividend
  • Ricky L  •  3 months ago
    There's nothing wrong with keeping cash in the reserves for the future. They can't possibly keep selling a new IPhone and IPad to everyone yearly for the next couple decades. There are hundreds of companies out there (or were) that wish they had their cash surplus back and hadn't been picked clean by investors during the good times. Like others have said use the money to keep innovating. Just look at Kodak, they owned the film and camera market but it didn't last forever.
  • eh  •  3 months ago
    Gibbs now this one! What a JOKE!
  • Nick_Name  •  Edmonton, Canada  •  3 months ago
    They are building cash so quickly that even a large dividend rate/yield wouldn't hurt them - it would likely even help the stock value by taking cash off the balance sheet.

    A high yield would bring in a whole new class of shareholder (corporate pensions, conservative investors, etc.) with all sorts of ancillary benefits to Apple's pursuit of expanded market share. These shareholders with "skin in the game" would influence many personal and corporate decisions, with the latter opening up the door to Apple to the business community.

    Personally, I'd like to see them buy - IBM.
  • Harbinger of Half-Decency  •  Jersey City, New Jersey  •  3 months ago
    a ten-for-1 stock split would be nice.
  • Angus Scrimm  •  3 months ago
    'Eschewing payments' - I like that... And why would't they - it's not a food producing company or toilet paper or gasoline. You know, stuff you NEED... At $500 and $600/share, you are at the mercy of market sentiment and flow. Any skip means immediate pull-in of cash. Dividends are the privy of companies that make stuff you need, not discretionary pleasures. Therefore, I can totally see their point in not providing a dividend. Current Nasdaq readings are once again getting into the silly territory of the mid-late 1990's...
  • Doug  •  Fort Myers, Florida  •  3 months ago
    Apple is a company in a growth phase. Why institute a dividend when your growth rate is in excess of 70%? Apple should instead look to make a solid acquisition.....Sirius XM?? Given the innovation of their product line, maybe an iTV is next?
  • Jason  •  3 months ago
    "...cash will keep piling up at a rate of billions per quarter, and we will have to deal with this problem every year or so..." What a problem...
  • chitown  •  Jacksonville, Florida  •  3 months ago
    Put me in the "time for a stock split" camp. Dividends are nice, but if they want to spur growth, make the stock more attractive to smaller investors. Yes, it's psychologically-driven growth, but the reasoning isn't relevant.
  • lisa  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    You know when your employer has suicide nets put around the building Apple whats gone wrong ?
  • Max Fubar  •  3 months ago
    There's the worm in the Apple. What is worse than finding a worm in an apple? Half a worm.
 
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