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'Buffett Rule' Could Create Unintended Consequences

President Obama put some meat on the bones of the so-called "Buffett Rule" in his State of the Union speech, explaining that it would mean a tax rate of at least 30 percent for anyone making more than $1 million.

The administration has thus far been sketchy on how exactly the policy would work, and already, those questions are giving some experts pause, causing them to speculate about the provision's unintended consequences.

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On a broad level, the Buffett Rule on its own would only contribute to the complexity of the U.S. tax code, says Roberton Williams of the Tax Policy Center, a D.C.-based think tank."The problem with the Buffett Rule is essentially [it's] saying we don't like the outcome of our basic tax system ... So let's make parts of it we don't like better."

Lawmakers have long enacted fixes like this in order to level the playing field between classes, says Williams, pointing to the Alternative Minimum Tax for an example. The result is a byzantine tax code that tries to do far more than just raise revenue. A tax code overhaul, while requiring a strenuous effort on the part of lawmakers, could likely be a better use of their time than enacting another add-on.

If a larger tax reform policy were to be enacted, could the Buffett Rule then be effective? If revenue-raising is the primary goal of the Obama administration's new tax policies, it does make logical sense to aim for the rich. While the U.S. median income has fallen in recent years, the rich are making more and more money, as the CBO pointed out in an October report.

Williams says at a certain point, there are diminishing returns on levying tax increases on the wealthy. Even the rich don't have unlimited wealth, and Williams adds that, "to close the budget deficit by half, you'd have to raise top rate to about 90 percent from current 35"--a politically untenable rate, to put it mildly.

There are a plethora of other tax changes in the political pipeline that would also affect this demographic. The expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy would further complicate the picture, says David Logan of the D.C.-based Tax Foundation. Combine that with taxes on so-called "Cadillac" healthcare policies along with ones levied on some investment income that was included in the healthcare reform act, and the richest Americans will take the biggest hit.

The question is not whether the wealthiest Americans would able to pay all of these taxes. "If you hit people with enough taxes, you will get into a situation where they will change their behavior in significant ways," says Williams. For example, there is currently incentive to "manipulate your compensation, as a high-income person," in favor of more capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate.

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Of course, it is difficult to tell at this point exactly what effects the rule might have, or even what it might entail. It could make some headway toward "fairness" in high-income tax rates, but when it comes to deficits, the gains would be modest.

Logan adds, for example, that the tax deductions the White House has said it would eliminate for millionaires in areas like housing, healthcare, retirement, and childcare are "extremely minimal" for people making over $1 million. All told, he estimates the Buffett Rule would raise about $36.7 billion in revenue in its first year. That's roughly 3.8 percent of the estimated federal deficit for 2012.

The White House, however, maintains that to focus purely on Buffett revenue is to miss the point. White House press secretary Jay Carney stressed to reporters on Wednesday that there are "millionaires and billionaires who pay taxes at a substantially lower rate" than poorer Americans. "The President simply believes that as a matter of principle, that unfairness ought to be changed."

Political considerations may be restricting the president's tax policies. "I think he's not expansive enough in terms of target population," says Williams, later adding, "He boxed himself into a corner in the 2008 elections, saying, 'I won't raise taxes on people with incomes below $250,000.'"

All of which means that a lot more than must be done. "[The Buffet Rule] is a partial solution. ... But we're going to have to do more than that," says Williams.

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  • cd  •  3 months ago
    Just finished doing my taxes. Because I'm extremely responsible, I have no deductions (can't itemise) I save because I have money (because I'm an extremely responsible person) I make an average salary, paid off my home, have no debt. Filing single, claiming 2 dependants (for the purpose of deductions) and having an additional $100 taken out of each check, I still own four figures. Where is the break for the person who does EVERYTHING right?
    • Texas, Our Texas 3 months ago
      In order to reduce your tax bill, you need to be wealthier. Doesn't that make sense to you?
    • Greg M 3 months ago
      Do you receive or qualify for Earned Income Credit?
    • Pat 3 months ago
      The standard deductions take into account those items that normal people could deduct from their taxes. Itemizing means that you have an item that exceeds those normal deductions. If you took a credit you are receiving money back that your DID NOT EARN.
  • dsr  •  3 months ago
    This was posted earlier. It is a good scale of the problem.

    Lets look at governments financials by taking snap shot of the situation:

    $2,170,000,000,000 Federal Revenue
    $3,820,000,000,000 Federal Spending
    $1,650,000,000,000 New Federal Debt
    $15,476,243,000,000 Federal Taxpayer Debt
    $38,500,000,000 Recent Federal Spending Cuts
    Source: Presidents White House Budget

    Now, drop 8 zeros and consider it a household budget:

    $21,700 Annual Family Income
    $38,200 Annual Family Spending
    $16,500 New Family Debt
    $154,762 Outstanding balance on the Family Credit Card
    $385 Total Family Spending Cuts
    What we have is a bankrupt government pretending it is fiscally responsible.
    • Lib-Con 3 months ago
      And you can thank Bush for starting two wars and giving the rich a tax break at the same time. No one in our history has EVER started a war and cut revenues at the Same Time.

      His Croney's got moeny from no bid contracts and they got to keep more of it from lower taxes. its time to take that money back!
    • E 3 months ago
      Lib-Con, just because "Bush was bad" does not excuse any other bad behavior. This country is going into further debt EVERY YEAR. Saying "oh yeah, well Bush was bad" is kind of like the little kids who try to distract their mommy from their own bad behavior by whining to her about what their sister or brother did.
    • E 3 months ago
      ADCBeast:

      "Anyone who thinks a national economy is the same as a household budget is an IDIOT ....

      It is idiots like you that cause more problems with your ignorance."

      I don't think anyone is saying it is exactly the same as a household budget. But basic math will tell you that 1 TRILLION dollars of additional debt added each year will doom any country.
  • stephen  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    I thought the purpose of the tax system was to raise enough revenue to pay the bills. Politicians are using it to reward friends, punish enemies, and enrich themselves. If these greedy, power hungry pigs cannot contain the spending, all this is moot. We will witness the destruction of our country from within.
  • MarkS  •  3 months ago
    Why doesn't anyone talk about REDUCING SPENDING instead of RAISING REVENUE.
    That's what you & I would have to do if our house was so far in debt.
    • nomore 3 months ago
      Marks, what would you do if you have a chance to increase revenue and reducing spending? Which one do yo pick?
    • John Galt 3 months ago
      Nomore - that's a good point except what happens when revenues start slipping in the future? You know that spending always increases to meet revenue levels, so all the increased revenue does over time is to make the spending cuts harder but more necessary.
    • Jerry 3 months ago
      I agree that at some point, some reduction in spend is necessary, yet like millions of Americans, some budget cuts can cause more problems than they solve. For example, I can reduce the money I spend on food, but only to a point before my kids are staving. I can reduce the amount of electricity I use, but I don’t want my lids doing homework by candlelight either. I can eliminate my $5/week donation to the local food pantry, but that is only hurting others.

      Now here we are as a nation, with a huge budget shortfall and were supposedly only left with the option of cutting out more things we need, while the elite class enjoy historical pay increases and historically low taxes. Unfortunately, the Bush elite tax breaks are like a company that has asked their workers to take ½ pay to improve the company’s bottom line, yet only increases the CEO’s bonus, while the workers are left making even tougher choices at home. The company is in no better shape then when it started, and so the company is asking again for their workers to sacrifices because the bottom line hasn’t moved, yet once again asking nothing from those on the top.

      Will increasing taxes on the wealthiest fix our budget? Not likely, but it sure is a good place to start, rather than another round of blaming the American worker or the poor. Is it any wonder that all capitalism nations have had their credit downgraded? Greece is a living example of what happens when capitalism is given complete freedom without oversight. The rich get richer and the rest of the nation goes belly up.
  • BO the Looter  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
    "The President simply believes that as a matter of principle, that unfairness ought to be changed" except, of course, when it comes to his staff. Yesterday, Yahoo reported that 26 white house officials owe about $850,000 in back taxes. If BO's staff dosen't even pay the taxes they owe, how is it fair to raise taxes on other people that do pay?
    • John Galt 3 months ago
      The smartest idea the Obama administration ever had was the efficiency tsar. Based on how wastefully your tax dolllars are spent, that tsar would be worth his/her weight in platinum. Sadly, the person sized up for the job didn't pay her taxes and the whole (good) idea evaporated. Geitner didn't pay some of his taxes either. CO, you're right. It seems the democrats are all about spending other peoples money. Should be a clue to all just how disingenuous the administration and dems generally are.
    • Yeah Right 3 months ago
      Hey Chosen One... nice to see you without your white pointy hat!
  • LC  •  3 months ago
    Who would Obama blame these HUGE deficits on if the 'Buffet' rule was in place?

    Reminder - the Annual Deficit has been $1.2+ Trillion for the last several years. The 'Buffet' rule would bring in $30-$50 Billion. There would still be a shortfall of $1.1+ Trillion annually!!
  • Sam  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    Sounds like you had a good upbringing. Millions of senior citizens and those before them, that have worked and skimped all their lives as your have, paying into the system. are now paying for the parasitic handouts of our government. Tax rules are for those that have 19 and counting, like the Duggars. I as a single person, have never gotten tax breaks. Why do you think people don't get married but have load of kids. And their sleep in mates have no responsibility. Got to know the system. Are tax laws leave a lot to be desired.
  • Manly HA  •  3 months ago
    Few problems with article. First Obama's deficits have been over 1.6 trillion a year, so far. 2nd- Bush tax cuts were not just for the wealthy, for example he lowered the lowest income bracket from 15% down to 10%. If the Dems let the cuts expire it will greatly increase taxes on hard working taxpayers. 3rd- I doubt that it will raise 36.7 billion in additional taxes. People with big money have choices especially in the capital gains area. Do you really want them to invest that money in overseas businesses or put it in foreign bonds. They will seek the highest after tax obtainable yield. 4th. - If Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire he will definitely raise taxes on people making under $250k, see above. These liberal hacks are not getting any better at distorting the truth.
    • Kate 3 months ago
      Yeah, everyone always talks about the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. The rates were changed across the board. Bush was also the one who started the earned income tax credit that give the lowest earmers back more money than they paid in.
    • Yeah Right 3 months ago
      Hey Manly...you get your numbers from the same place Rush gets his...aliens living in Newts moon base!!! Oh and Manly after "Obummer" raises your taxes you can go buy Euro-Bonds...there's a safe bet!! If "Oblama" allows Bush II tax cuts to expire, he will modify new cuts so no one under $250k has his taxes increased!! Why do you Republican nut bags keep saying the same disinformation over and over?? So you start believing it?
  • A Yahoo! User  •  Groton, Connecticut  •  3 months ago
    If in his final years Mr. Buffet, you want to finish like Andrew Carnegie and Vanderbuilt do it with you money, not everyones elses. Funny how these rich folks never get religion and generosity until their lives are nearly over.
  • Thomas  •  North Royalton, Ohio  •  3 months ago
    If Warren feels so bad for his lowly secretary, he can weight her pay to be mostly stock options and then she too can pay 15%.
  • robert w  •  Stony Brook, New York  •  3 months ago
    Just keep spending without any consequences. No concern for what the gov is doing. Increase taxes=more additional spending=more debt-it will not stop.
    Welcome to Greece five years ago.
  • GeraldS  •  St Francisville, Louisiana  •  3 months ago
    Tax the millionairs all you want, they still have the loop holes! I heard Mr. Buffet in an interview about passing his estate to his son that's a farmer, and in the interview he stated that he spent a life time dodging taxes. Now he wants to tax millionairs like himself? I've spent a life time paying my share as I will this year. My experience with taxes is, when the polititians tax the rich that means, trickle down tax increases on me and the middle class. The rich still pay less percentage wise than me because I have no loop holes.
  • Ken the Libertarian  •  3 months ago
    The problem with trying to get the wealthy to pay for Obama's spending spree is this:

    1. Confiscating the entire wealth of the 1% would not come close to paying the national debt.

    2. Anyone who doesn't feel like paying for this mess can avoid it by taking some time off to enjoy life and generating less income.

    3. Only the well off hire people and pay salaries, the poor and middle classes are do-it -yourselfers.
  • Del M  •  South Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
    ADCBeast.. GET A JOB!! People using the social welfare system are paying NOTHING! I see NOTHING fair about that. It's the most inefficient way to spend tax dollars. Condoning it is a major drag on the economy and just turns adults into dependent children. It's SAD anyone would wish such a life on anyone. You should be ashamed of yourself..
  • Del M  •  South Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
    Until the Government pinches every penny and makes the tough decisions with the budget, I REFUSE to pay one dime more! I mean if the EU hasn't given you a first hand look at our future you're a DOO-FUSS. If you like it, go MOVE there. If you're a TRUE American, you'll go for budget cuts, IF you could care less about our heritage, you're a trader and need to be expelled.
  • Rob L.  •  3 months ago
    I thought the Buffett Rule was "I'll finance your campaign if you forgive the billion I owe in back taxes".
  • Fred  •  3 months ago
    When asked why he had dumped billions into foundations (which avoids any inheritance tax), Buffett effectively said "because the foundations can spend the money smarter than the government" (and employ my kids forever)... I guess that Mr. Buffett just believes that others who have made money simply aren't as smart as he is and should, therefore, give their money to the government to blow. Senility can hit anyone...
  • Dan  •  3 months ago
    This is a good one. Buffett has been taking these tax deductions for 50+ yrs; now he's telling everyone else they should not take the same deductions. This man is a real hero.
  • c laird478  •  3 months ago
    Meanwhile many of the states are going ahead with tax increases of their own. But then they have to because they can't just print their own money or run trillion dollar deficits every year like the Fed can.
  • Bry  •  Dallas, Texas  •  3 months ago
    Eventually the average American will earn a million dollars per year and the millionaire tax will be a curse for the middle class, just as the Alternative Minimum Tax is today.
 
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