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Claims lowest since '08 as job market improves

Unemployment applications drop to lowest since April '08 as job market gets stronger

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In in the latest sign that the economy is surging at year's end, unemployment claims have dropped to the lowest level since April 2008, long before anyone realized that the nation was in a recession.

Claims fell by 4,000 last week to 364,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. It was the third straight weekly drop. The four-week average of claims, a less volatile gauge, fell for the 11th time in 13 weeks and stands at the lowest since June 2008.

While the economy remains vulnerable to threats, particularly a recession in Europe, the steady improvement in the job market is unquestionable.

"The underlying trend is undeniably positive," said Jennifer Lee, senior economist with BMO Capital Markets. "I think everyone is starting to come around to the view that, yes, there is a recovery going on."

Unemployment claims are a sort of week-to-week EKG for the job market. Except for a spike this spring, after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan hurt U.S. manufacturing, they have fallen steadily for a year and a half.

Claims peaked at 659,000 in March 2009. In the four years before the Great Recession, they mostly stayed between 300,000 and 350,000. That claims are edging closer to that range is a sign that the layoffs of the past three years have all but stopped.

"We haven't yet really seen substantial numbers of new jobs, but this is definitely an encouraging sign of what lies down the road," said Sam Bullard, an economist at Wells Fargo.

The steady decline may also herald a further decline in the unemployment rate, which fell in November to 8.6 percent from 9 percent the month before. The December rate will be announced Jan. 6.

If unemployment claims keep declining, the unemployment rate might fall as low as 8 percent before the November elections, said Dan Greenhaus, chief global strategist at BTIG LLC, a boutique brokerage.

The presidential election will turn on the economy. Ronald Reagan holds the post-World War II record for winning a second term with the highest unemployment rate. He won in 1984 with unemployment at 7.2 percent.

Economists will also watch closely on Jan. 6 to find out how many jobs were added this month. It added at least 100,000 each month from July through November, the best five-month streak since 2006.

"When you fire fewer people, hiring unquestionably follows," Greenhaus said. He expects employers to create as many as 200,000 jobs per month if the trend continues.

In another encouraging report Thursday, the Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators rose strongly in November for the second straight month, suggesting that the risks of another recession are receding.

The index puts the economy on track to grow at a 4 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter, which ends this month, said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist with High Frequency Economics.

The economy hasn't posted 4 percent growth or stronger since the first quarter of 2006, when it grew at a 5.1 percent rate. The best it has done since the recession was 3.9 percent, in the spring of 2010.

The Great Recession lasted from December 2007 through June 2009. Economists didn't declare that it was under way until December 2008.

The economy grew at a 1.8 percent annual rate in the third quarter of this year. The government revised that figure downward from 2 percent Thursday because Americans spent less than the government had estimated.

Besides a brightening job market, the positive factors include strong holiday shopping and cheaper gas, which leaves people more money to spend on other things and helps consumer confidence.

"The economy is carrying some clear momentum into 2012," said economist Joel Naroff of Naroff Economic Advisors.

The flip side, said Bullard, the Wells Fargo economist, is political uncertainty at home and a near-inevitable recession across the Atlantic. Those factors will weigh on growth next year and might reverse the momentum that the job market appears to be enjoying.

In Europe, the 17 nations that use the euro currency are struggling to deal with debt problems and keep the currency union together. A recession there would be bad news for American companies that export to Europe.

Another source of uncertainty for 2012 is what Congress will do about the Social Security payroll tax cut, set to expire Jan. 1. Extended unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed also expire on that date.

The tax cut applies to 160 million Americans. For a worker earning $50,000, it saves $1,000 over a year. For a high-earning couple, it would save $4,404 over next year, or about $85 a week.

Economists say that failing to renew the tax cut and emergency unemployment aid could cut a full percentage point from economic growth next year.

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  • Lisa W  •  Dayton, Ohio  •  5 months ago
    hey boys and girls---the numbers are probably true but they don't account for people dropping off unemployment,people giving up, or one of a hundred reasons people are taking any job they can. or we are running out of jobs to account for. grim yep. but i think more trouble looms for 2013. possible double digit inflation. possible crushing trade deficits. companies are sitting on record amounts of cash any extra tax incentives to hire probably won't work.companies have no desire to hire because the same work can be done with less employees. the is a new economy with new rules. we just have to find what those rules are. the big christmas spending binge will fall off in the next few weeks. consumers only cared about the huge discounts not economic growth or consumer confidence. people always spend money they don't have--this is America where no one saves but we sure can charge real good. the next thing also future housing collapse eclipsing devaluations of the past few years. if anyone thinks this is over they are wrong
    • B 5 months ago
      let them get ajob- stop spunging off the government.
  • bob308  •  5 months ago
    I'll guarentee u the unemployment numbers will be back to 400,000 a week after the Christimas help is let go... Bring home our jobs!
  • Obama Food Stamps  •  5 months ago
    Wait and see what happens after Dec 25 when Santa and his little helpers are laid off at the mall.
  • Bermonkey  •  5 months ago
    Unemployment is only one of the indicators that matters. If everyone is hired back as min wag workers, it doesn't really matter does it? These numbers don't represent the true state of the american job market, including stagnant wages which will keep a lid on the housing market. There is so much more to this than just unemployment insurance claims. Your a fool if you think this article means anything.
  • Might  •  Orlando, Florida  •  5 months ago
    If things are improving so much why do we have to fight over extending
    unemployment benefits. We should not have to extend them.
  • Pixiedust Dreams  •  Eugene, Oregon  •  5 months ago
    Only 364,000 newly unemployed last week. That's still 1.4 million people a month losing their jobs! This is progress???
    • Old Bat 5 months ago
      There you go with facts again. You'll never make it as a democrat or reporter.
    • EM 5 months ago
      the truth will interfere with the santa claus rally, how dare you do that
    • John 5 months ago
      Hans't it been that way for a long time. There will always be unemployment. Obama did not invent unemployment. I think that was done with the first job ever created.
  • Jim  •  Lebanon, Pennsylvania  •  5 months ago
    Figures are manipulated by lying politicians in Washington DC to try and fool the unemployed into believing Obama should be re-elected because he's doing a great job of leading America. Americans got fooled once, they won't be so easy to fool again! Obama has proven to himself to be worse than jimmie carter and has the record to prove his lack of leadership and same old Chicago-style corruption. Vote him and his theiving cronies out in 2012!
  • Harry Louden  •  Denver, Colorado  •  5 months ago
    The unemployment numbers are getting better
    just in time for President Obama to get re-elected.

    :-)

    Funny how that works...

    ...and everybody's rich and happy. We're all going to get a Unicorn that chits jelly beans and there will be nothing but rainbows forever.
    • James 5 months ago
      Harry, you saw through this bull%$@*. Hoe dare you.
    • Liberty 5 months ago
      A Republican's worst nightmare: a better American economy than when Bush left office.
    • Kaos 5 months ago
      Liberty its not a nightmare because its simple not true. Bush left office because of the housing crisis the democrats started remember Barney Frank! His two entities are now being dragged into court fannie and freddie......stop lying to make Barry's spending sprees look good.
  • Diogenes  •  Charlotte, North Carolina  •  5 months ago
    Keep in mind that the US, for the most part, doesn't have a manufacturing base anymore. Almost all consumer products are imported. Everybody will have to work in banks or fast food joints or in some other low paying service jobs. On top of that, people have to compete with all of the newcomers.Meantime all of the so-called third world countries are jacking up there manufacturing base to export to us. Washington has no will to solve this.
    • Super Poor 5 months ago
      Not to confuse reality with the grand delusion but the US has exactly the same amount of manufacturing capacity as a percentage of the world's as it did in 1950.
    • navy_surfer 5 months ago
      You forgot one thing about that brilliant piece of rationale, genius. This isn't 1950...and so aren't the manufacturing/labor costs. Sheesh!
  • Scorpio  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  5 months ago
    more propaganda from D.C.
  • Cali badass  •  Napa, California  •  5 months ago
    I guess this doesnt include the 25 million people who lost their unemployment benefits and still dont have a job!!!!
    • John 5 months ago
      you are right--in Ohio, most people I know who were unemployed have long ago exhausted their benefits
    • Jonathan 5 months ago
      If you don't understand what new unemployment claims are, don't comment. These are new claims of just laid off workers. This number has nothing to do with continuing claims nor does it have anything to do with unemployment insurance.
    • Tim 5 months ago
      Jonathan, you are absolutely correct. But it doesn't matter. People are just too stubborn or too stupid to worry about the facts. I have posted comments very similar to yours several times; now I realize I might as well not waste my time. Democracy requires an educated population; that might be our biggest problem.
  • Mitch  •  Pensacola, Florida  •  5 months ago
    Don't say "nobody" thought we were in a recession in Aprilof 2008. You would have to been an idoit not to think we were heading for a train wreck at that time.
  • Music Monster  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  5 months ago
    Ummmmm, it's called the Christmas Season. The depression is still raging as is high unemployment. You have to wonder how these idiot writers get so worked up over 370,000 people claiming unemployment benefits a week as a good thing. The economy sits mired in a depression that is making the 20's look like a picnic. We are experiencing hyper-inflation, an out of control federal debt, the devaluation of the currency, real unemployment of 30 million or more and a continued fleecing of American jobs to communist countries. Real wages are shrinking, the housing market is in the crapper and foreclosures continue to loom, oil is 80 bucks a barrel to high and the treasonous president and the treasonous senate/congress continue to spend the tax payers money are a record rate. The banks and American corporations are destroying jobs, Europe is as deep in depression as us and the full world economy continues to decline. Surging., please, you act as if this is a random occurrence with no reason behind it. As soon as mid-January and February get here, the seasonal workers will be laid off and unemployment will climb yet again. DENIAL, it is a dangerous and evil game. I expect these lies to continue all the way up to the street riots and marshall law. The US government has failed and the end of America as we know it has started. Jail mr. treason now and vote out the incumbents or watch the carnage continue. Both parties have failed and the liberals do nothing more than sling lies and mud.
  • HadEnough  •  5 months ago
    Let's wait and take a look at the numbers after x-mass, when all the temporary help gets let go.
  • Simple Logic  •  Everett, Washington  •  5 months ago
    Fake numbers. The reason claims are dropping is because people are no longer collecting benefits and that will in turn drop unemployment rate. Companies are still letting workers go or not hiring. If that's not bad enough most jobs are offering wages that are lower than most people get from unemployment, so as those people run out of benefits they start taking jobs that pay 55% less than they were making 4 years ago. The real kicker is that it's the same job or something very similar to what they were doing before.
  • Markavelli  •  San Diego, California  •  5 months ago
    Its the holidays! Of course more people are employed, thats what retailers and other businesses do during this time of year...hire people.

    In February we'll see the jobless numbers increase.....
  • Jeff  •  5 months ago
    Only thing that has changed is people have been dropped from unemployment benefits, usual media and government #$%$
  • Tony  •  Albuquerque, New Mexico  •  5 months ago
    What a crock of s##t! Nobody seems to measure the number of people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits. Everything I seem to pick off the shelf these days still seems to come from China, and our economy is "surging ahead at year's end, yea, right.
  • one 2 Question  •  Tampa, Florida  •  5 months ago
    I read an article that said we where at@ 20% unemployed of the population. It was some thing like 56 or 65 million Americans, the number they had listed. Then I thought wait, that is 20% of the entire population. There are @350,000,000 americans babies to seniors. That is ok if everyone that they counted was actually in the work force. Only about 35 to 40 % of the population falls into the working group. So 350,000,000x 40%= 140,000,000 actual poeple in the working group. So now they are telling me that @60,000,000 American that are of the working group are unemployed. That is more than 20% it is more like 43%. Talk about misdirection.
  • A. M. Deist  •  Mary Esther, Florida  •  5 months ago
    Am I the only one in the country that thinks it would make more sense to pay for the unemployed to get training in something that would make them able to be hired? I keep hearing company executives say they have jobs, but they can't find qualified people to fill those jobs. Seems to me that not only would paying for education create jobs, but would train people so companies could hire them after they got qualified.
 
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