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    Congress revisiting bruising payroll tax cut fight

    Congress revisiting payroll tax cut, jobless benefits as round 2 of bruising battle begins

    Fantasy Finance

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- With television lights glaring, 20 lawmakers will gather next week to revisit the fight that consumed Congress before Christmas over renewing a Social Security payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits.

    Little real work will be done, but the meeting will mark the formal start of an effort to untangle a dispute that both parties want to resolve, though for different reasons. Following is a look at the path Round 2 could take, based on interviews with participants on both sides.

    Q: Can you remind me what's at stake?

    A: After a bitter clash and just a week before a New Year's Day deadline, President Barack Obama and Congress renewed a 2 percentage point payroll tax cut for 160 million workers and benefits for the long-term unemployed through February. They also temporarily forestalled a deep cut in doctors' Medicare fees that threatened to make it harder for the elderly to find physicians who would treat them. Now, the two sides need to figure out how to extend all three measures through 2012 and cover the roughly $160 billion cost.

    Q: Are they expected to succeed?

    A: Yes, though it will probably take until shortly before the current extensions expire Feb. 29. There are complicated decisions ahead, chiefly what programs to cut and what fees to increase to offset the price tag. Just as important, Democrats won't be in a hurry to finish.

    Q: Why not?

    A: Republicans took a severe pounding in December when the House GOP resisted a bipartisan, Senate-approved, two-month extension of the payroll tax cut, which was designed to give lawmakers time to negotiate a longer version. With control of the White House and Congress at stake in the November elections, many Democrats think the GOP could incur further damage if these latest talks take time.

    Many Republicans doubt the economic benefit of a payroll tax cut, a foundation of Obama's plan to create jobs. But as December's battle unfolded, GOP leaders worried that they would suffer political damage from opposing the deeply popular tax cut, worth $1,000 annually to a family earning $50,000 a year.

    With the House's fractious conservative wing balking until the very end, the fight made the GOP look like it was opposing the tax reduction — which Democrats contrasted with Republican support for tax breaks for the wealthy. Most Republicans want this year's fight to end quickly so they can change the subject to their own efforts to cut taxes, federal spending and Obama administration regulations.

    Q: How long can Democrats prolong the negotiations?

    A: If they're not careful they could overplay their hand.

    Democrats scored points last year by forcing Senate votes on their proposal to finance the payroll tax cut with a small surtax on people earning $1 million or more a year. They have a new incentive to do something similar this year with the GOP presidential front-runner Mitt Romney, a wealthy venture capitalist, being cast by party rivals as callous and out of touch.

    As a result, many Democrats want to begin this year's talks on extending the Social Security tax cut by targeting the wealthy for a tax increase, perhaps with the millionaire surtax or by limiting their deductions. The millionaire surtax has no chance of passage in the GOP-run House, and Democrats could be accused of blatantly playing politics. Democrats and Obama have a reason to cut a deal: They believe extending the payroll tax cut and jobless benefits will goose the economy and reduce the risk of another economic downturn that could hurt their election prospects.

    Q; What will the 20 members of Congress do?

    A: House and Senate party leaders each have appointed bargainers to hash out differences over the bill, following Congress' tradition of naming conference committees to craft compromise legislation. But as usual when high-profile battles are being resolved, party leaders will have tight control over the ultimate deal. Still, conference committee members will play a role in writing details, and their endorsement of a package would let leaders argue that they didn't jam something down the throats of rank-and-file lawmakers.

    Q: Who are these 20 lawmakers?

    A: They range from formidable committee chairmen to lowly freshmen, but each has a stake in the fight.

    The chairmen of Congress' two tax-writing committees are included: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., of the Senate Finance Committee.

    Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., is the Senate's No. 2 Republican and a close ally of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. Democratic Sen. Bob Casey, facing re-election this fall in the pivotal state of Pennsylvania, has repeatedly been given a visible role in the payroll tax fight by party leaders.

    Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., a party leader, should be a leading opponent of Republican proposals to help finance the plan by effectively denying the child tax credit to many illegal immigrants. Freshman GOP Rep. Nan Hayworth is from a closely contested district in New York's Hudson River Valley.

    Hayworth and Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., are doctors, which could give them roles in the talks involving Medicare. A pair of Maryland Democrats, Sen. Ben Cardin and Rep. Chris Van Hollen, are sure to battle a Republican proposal to make federal employees contribute more to their pensions.

    Q: Do they bring other experience to the bargaining table?

    A: Seven have participated in recent, failed bipartisan efforts to contain mammoth budget deficits. Those were Congress' supercommittee, talks led by Vice President Joe Biden, the "Group of Six" senators, and a presidential commission headed by former Wyoming GOP Sen. Alan Simpson and former President Bill Clinton's White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles.

    None of those groups succeeded, largely because party leaders could not agree to the controversial tax increases and cuts in entitlement programs like Medicare that would have been required for the trillions of dollars in savings needed.

    Far smaller savings are needed to resolve the payroll tax fight, and the consensus is that this time, the president and leaders in both parties want a package that can become law.

     

    36 comments

    • rocknrolldad  •  Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      Child tax credit for illegals? What am i missing. How much free stuff is there we dont know about. We need to clean house and find out how much free stuff there is for illegals.
      • matthew 3 months ago
        Free college money too (California), and lots of grants! Has any white male US citizen tried to get grants for college? There is hardly anything if anything at all. I tried and all I could get was a student pell grant ($500) and Cal grant ($1200) but if i was a different color or gender or illegal i could have gotten many thousands!!!!!A group of young white men in Texas started a college fund for white males and they were called RACISTS!!!! #$%$!!
    • WooHoo  •  3 months ago
      The Bush tax code must end for the wealthiest must end. Subsidies for like big oil and other corporations that are making record breaking profits must end. The U.S. government must stop rewarding companies that move U.S. manufacturing jobs overseas through loopholes in the tax code known as deferral and foreign source income. Root out the waste, fraud, and abuse in every agency of the federal government .
      • Jared 3 months ago
        The top 2% carry 48.6% of the tax burdon.. How would you have it? they carry 60% of it? Good luck with that if I was in the top 2% and they tried to pull a stunt like that I'd sell everything I'd have and leave the USA with out paying my taxes and never return.
      • Robert 3 months ago
        Jared I think my response to you would be don't let the dootr hit you in the #$%$ !!
      • Adam K Jones 3 months ago
        Jared, I am definitely more of a conservative but the top 2% also controls 96% of the wealth so yes they need to pay more. The other choice to raise the taxes even high on a family that makes 50K ? At a minimum a flat rate should apply with no loop holes.
    • The Beast  •  Monterey Park, California  •  3 months ago
      There should be a surtax on anyone making more than $200,000 single and $500,000 married. There should also be no free giveaways when people file their income taxes with bogus income since some people get paid under the table and they qualified for too much EIC. Ever heard of people making $48000+ a year in cash paying 0 taxes, claiming to only make $500 a month but when they file their income taxes they get over $6000 of free money from the government because they are married and have kids? Hmmm.. guess that's our government at work. They dish out money to everyone who can lie best to them.
      • Bruce 3 months ago
        Thank You.I keep hearing how the top 2% are paying a huge tax load but I dont think they pay as much of thier income in taxes as the middle does.
    • Marv  •  Spokane, Washington  •  4 months ago
      They are going to kick the can down the road and line their pockets with more cash...same old story and I am sick of it and them.
      • matthew 3 months ago
        me too, same #$%$ different day. They will always say they will do things but their actions are always different. It's always about being re-elected and never about getting things done. Obama won't do the Keystone Pipeline before this election because he knows it's unpopular with his followers but I bet he passes it if he gets re-elected this November since it willbe his final term as a screw up. Our only hope is Ron Paul but people are so brain washed he'll never get elected.
    • Adam K Jones  •  Gloucester, Massachusetts  •  3 months ago
      The fact is the US system of government has been corrupted almost to a point of no return. Congress consistently insider trades off of laws they write (And its legal BTW) and takes huge sums of money to write laws favorable to corps / unions ect that do not reflect the best interest of the American people. Both parties are guilty of these crimes.
    • j. lewis  •  3 months ago
      Refund Social Security with the payroll tax as established by FDR. Social Security and the direct payroll tax were meant to make Social Security a-political. All these babyboomers about to retire are not paying into social security now, we will remember that when we readjust your benifits.
    • Beau Tocks  •  4 months ago
      A politically impartial observation: the Democrats will offer up a plan short on practical application and real impact, but long on symbolic appeal to voters. The Republicans will take the bait, and adopt a position that does nothing but make themselves appear callous to the electorate, thus shooting themselves (again) in the foot. The Democrats seem to get it. The coming election, as most elections are, will be won based on which party appeals to the largest block of voters, regardless of any real hope of actually enacting any points of their platform. There are certainly more disenfranchised voters craving help than there are ideologues interested only in political dogma. The Republican, it seems, will never understand. Meanwhile, the country is all the worse off as the game is played out.
      • Lawrence 4 months ago
        The Democrats by pandering to the poor get legislation that helps the republican poor also. The Republicans by pandering to the religious extremists only help themselves.
    • Preston  •  Fort Cobb, Oklahoma  •  4 months ago
      First things First! Repay all the money with interest that was "borrowed" from SSI that was spent on "Pork" Bills. Then, they can cut the budget from by percentages from programs that are "not" paid for such as benifits to Fed and Govt employess, including Elected Officials, their staff. Why do Fed employees not pay into SSI and Medicare? Think about it. Also, our Elected Officals and their staff, pay into the same systems that they offer the American People. They are getting a free ride at our expense. They are making the American People think that SSI is broken and won't be there for the next generation. If the Gov't repaid SSI what it owed it would always be solvent. Also removing the "cap" on earnings that is deducted for SSI would actually create an excess that could be shared with medicare. Both Parties are responsible for this mess. Be sure to ask your Canidates what they plan to do and write it done. Did you know a canidate or elected official cannot be sued for lying to you or saying one thing and doing another, because they passed a Law to protect themselves. Please put your canidates and Elected Officials on the Hot Seat. Otherwise, we may as well start selling land to China. Oh wait... we already do that.
    • WooHoo  •  3 months ago
      It's time to stop mouthing the rhetoric that lower taxes help create jobs and boosts the economy. For the last 10 years the taxes were lowered and it hasn't helped one bit! The economy is just spiraling down the drain
    • stevek  •  4 months ago
      When did the U.S government turn into a sporting event between republicans and democrats? Seems like all they want to do is score political points for their respective political parties. This game is detrimental to the rest of us.
    • jeff t  •  Des Moines, Iowa  •  4 months ago
      is everyone stupid or what until the day our so called leaders and i mean both parties wake up from their fantasy world and realize what they are doing to this country for their own riches and the people of this great country stand up and say enough and kick them out of this country and end the corruption and make this country great again and have people care about other people instead of themself otherwise we are no better than the ones we hate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • LindaK  •  4 months ago
      When they cut their own extravagant wages and benefits, the savings will be so much that there won't be a need to take away from the poor, elderly, children, and working class. But what do you want to bet that these idiots who are greedy, unethical, immoral and uncaring about the people they claim to represent won't even consider such an ethical move. And what about canceling the corporate welfare and sending money to all of these countries who hate us and attack us? we could pay down the national debt fast. They ought to get Bill Clinton back and follow his lead . He not only lowered the debt tremendously, but left us with an overage. Of course, the repubs, blame 9/11 for the large increase in the debt, but GWB had spent the overage and was increasing the the debt months before 9/11. And repubs. - don't call me a liar and deny it. Look up the facts for yourself. It is on the internet. Furthermore, giving all of these rich folks big tax cuts during the Bush years, did not create more jobs. The dems came into these past three years with no jobs and terrible economy already. Again, look up the facts !!!!! The economy is slowly getting a little bit better, but progress is slower than necessary because of the tea parties' obstructionist ways. So be it. Election day is coming. Hopefully, we will be able to get rid of all obstructionists on both sides and get our country back again and away from the political partys.
    • headstrong harry  •  4 months ago
      It seems like every other day they are adjourning for recess, and thus are always either rushing to push some all-important bill through at the last minute or putting something unsavory off for later.

      I decided to look it up, and found the staggering statistic that even factoring in the fact that there are only 260 days in a “work year” instead of 365 in a full year, Congress only works 52.6% of the time!

      While researching I learned of this oddity of the Congressional schedule – “Travel Days.”

      Their work “week” starts on Tuesday but not until after 6:30 PM. Any days that are “no voting” travel days I count as off even though they aren’t technically recesses, and any days where the voting doesn’t start until 6:30 I count as “half days” when I do the tally.

      The schedule of each session of Congress varies slightly, and they actually have been decreasing the number of 3 days weeks lately, but the general numbers hold across years.

      They could CARE LESS ABOUT US WORKING STIFFS!
    • Farquar  •  Portland, Oregon  •  4 months ago
      I own a small business.
      I am struggling in this economy.
      If this tax cut is rescinded I will be forced to look at dropping another employee.
      I am already down to half my normal staff due to poor sales.
      I am becoming ashamed that I ever voted Republican...
    • Lynn D Thomas  •  Richardson, Texas  •  4 months ago
      so how much does it cost the tax payer everytime thay meet for this, extend it for two months just to meet once more.. All the gas spent like this could take me to work for five years !!!!!
    • Robert  •  Albuquerque, New Mexico  •  3 months ago
      Seems to me ouir government is determined to end SS at all costs !!!!
    • kevin  •  Newark, New Jersey  •  4 months ago
      I am a republican but I don't support my party with regards to not increase taxes for the wealthy. Their arugment that somehow increasing taxes on the rich will lower employment seems crazy. before i move on, the issue with our economy is that no one is spending money for ample of reasons. I am not the smartest man in the world but let me see according to the millionair next door, most of the millionairs in this country are actually frugile people that live below their means which translate into investing and saving their money. What they are not doing is spending their money. Take average non-millionair american, they have bills, need to pay that mortage, feed their kids...these people will spend money which means more products that we produce are being consumed, translate into profit and translate into jobs. True when a millionair also create jobs but they create jobs becaue they see an opportunity to make money as they have extra money laying around. But, when they see no opportuntity, or there are too much risk, he or she is more likely to park his money in a saving account for a rainny day (i.e. not spending it). so bottom line is my party is really just lying through their teeeth to try and not increase taxes on themselves. I am a frugile person that is on my way to be a millionair and i love my country. i want to do the right thing and tell people this is how it is. For the average person that is on their way or are already millionairs, we don't really don't have inventions and we are not venture captial people, we do it the old fashion way, savings and i feel like we don't pay the right amount of taxes for the past 10 years to help this country out. I mean we have the biggest budget dificit in histroy, but we have one of the lowest tax rate in the world. if they raise my taxes by a 2 to 5% to pay down the debt, i don't mind that. it certainly is a hell of a lot better than the alternative that Europe is going through right now.
    • billy  •  4 months ago
      Like being caught between a rock and hard place, not wanting to help the current president in passing the tax break or loosing a lot of votes if they don't, you figure, when it comes to the end of the day they're not going to loose any votes if they can help it.
    • DanH  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  4 months ago
      Medicare and Social Security were paid in to by those receiving benefits now. Why cut there? Instead I suggest cutting the benefits of those who have not contributed, they are entitled to exactly what they put in, NOTHING.
    • Jared  •  Fresno, California  •  3 months ago
      Unemployment benefits are more then ample at 52 weeks.. They do not need 99 weeks of unemployment.. Unemployment should only be 3-4 months to prevent people from using it as a vacation.

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