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Dow 13,000 is a big number, but it's just a number

Dow 13,000: Put on your cap and celebrate, but analysts caution it's just a number

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Big, round numbers are hard to ignore. That's why we pay attention when the odometer clicks over to 100,000 miles, and why the world threw a party at the dawn of 2000 instead of the technical start of the millennium in 2001.

It's no different on Wall Street. When the Dow Jones industrial average briefly crossed 13,000 last week, a milestone it hadn't reached since before the financial crisis, people took notice.

Some observers said it was a sign of a stronger U.S. economy. Casual investors wondered whether it was time to get back into stocks after fleeing to bonds or just stuffing their money under the mattress in the terrifying economic meltdown.

But a word of caution: 13,000 is just a number.

It gives politicians something to talk about. It gives regular people something to measure against. It can stir up excitement, but it doesn't change the elements of the economy, like the number of people out of work or the number of empty houses.

The Dow also isn't the best measure of the stock market. It follows 30 companies — important ones, household names, but only 30. And it's weighted so just a handful of the most expensive stocks carry the most weight.

If Apple, whose stock has skyrocketed this year from $405 to $522, had been added to the Dow on Jan. 1, it would already be above 14,000, according to estimates last week from ConvergEx Execution Solutions.

And the Dow is certainly not the best measure of the economy. It can rise even when jobs are falling or the economy is shrinking.

"Psychologically it matters," says Dan McMahon, director of equity trading at Raymond James, who was underwhelmed by the Dow's short foray above 13,000 last week. "Technically and fundamentally, not so much."

It's the same mind game when people turn 40. They're only a day older, but it feels more significant. Retailers understand this trick, too. That's why they slap $99 on a price tag instead of $100. That one dollar feels like a lot.

For the Dow, "whether it's 12,999 or 13,000 is just arithmetic," says Mark Lehmann, president of JMP Securities in San Francisco.

Keep in mind also that the market is a fickle barometer. Some institutional investors, such as hedge funds or private-equity firms whose employees follow the market for a living, will consider the 13,000 mark a signal to get out, not in.

And 13,000 may not last. The fire-sale discounts for stocks appear to have come and gone. The companies that make up the Dow are trading at about 13.9 times their past year's earnings per share, a popular measure of how expensive stocks are.

Just last month, that figure was 13.2. At the Dow's low during the Great Recession, it was 8.2. So the Dow is approaching the average of about 16 over the past two decades, according to Birinyi Associates, a stock market research firm.

And though this sounds obvious, it can be hard to remember in the headline rush of 13,000: You want to buy stocks when prices are low. The stock market is perhaps the only place where shoppers rush in when prices go up.

"Human beings are pattern-seeking animals," said Brian Gendreau, market strategist at Cetera Financial Group. "We find patterns even when there are none."

The Dow has climbed back slowly since its 2009 low of 6,547.05, and its other milestones have also generated a frenzy of attention. But as motivations for investment, their record has been mixed:

— On Oct. 14, 2009, about 10 years after the first time the Dow hit 10,000, the average hit the mark again. Traders passed around baseball caps labeled "Dow 10,000 2.0" on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

Mutual funds didn't think the milestone was a good time to invest: They pulled $216 million out of U.S. stocks that day, according to TrimTabs Investment Research. A week later, the Dow was down about a half-percent. Three weeks after that, though, it was up 2.7 percent from its Oct. 14 close.

— On April 12, 2010, the Dow crossed 11,000. This time, the Dow climbed in the following week, up 0.8 percent. Three weeks after that, it was down 2 percent.

— On Feb. 1, 2011, the Dow crossed 12,000. A week later, it was up 1.6 percent. Three weeks after that, it was virtually flat.

Experts say investors should keep in mind that the surest way to profit in the stock market is to invest for the long term. Buying for just a week or a month at a time is a risky bet.

Beyond talk of milestones, there's also the question of whether the Dow is even an accurate measure of the economy. Besides being made up of just 30 companies, it's weighted so that the few with the highest stock prices carry the most heft.

So a small percentage change in the stock of IBM, which is trading around $198, sways the index much more than a large change in the stock of Bank of America, which is trading around $8.

Last year, the Dow rose 5.5 percent. But strip out IBM and McDonald's, the two stocks with the highest prices last year, and it rose just 1.8 percent, according to calculations by Birinyi.

Plenty of analysts say the Standard & Poor's 500, given its much broader list of companies, is a better measure of the market. While the Dow would need a 9 percent rally to reach its all-time high of 14,164.53, the S&P 500 is still 15 percent away.

It did close Friday at 1,365.74, a 3 1/2-year high and about 200 points from its all-time high in October 2007.

"The Dow has only 30 members," says John Manley, chief equity strategist for the Wells Fargo funds group. "Sometimes their individual stories bury the message that the economy is trying to send us."

So in a way, it will be a bigger deal if the S&P breaks 1,400. But nobody makes baseball caps for that.

 
  • Maloogie  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
    In 1971, I made $10,000 a year, bought a $3495 240Z Nissan, and could buy a $40,000 house. In 2011 I had to make $100,000 a year, to buy a $34950 370Z Nissan ("same" car), and the house is nominally worth $400,000. Gold at $173 in 21973 is $1700, etc etc etc.

    Everything is 10X, so, --- Where is the "growth"? THERE IS NO GROWTH. There is only the PONZI scheme of degraded dollars, borne of printing press prosperity, governed by banksters called the "Fed", which control the value of paper money called "fiat". Fiat means "I (the Fed) tell you what money is worth, and it isn't couched in terms backed by gold and silver" (like it implies it should in that rag George Bush called "just a piece of paper with words on it", our Constitution. Thomas Jefferson said, never make banks capable of valuing your money, your storehouse of wealth that should be stable--your money will be worthless, they will own everything, you will own nothing, and you will be indentured to your job, forever.

    He must be turning over in his grave--that's exactly what has happened, and how's that working out for you?

    In order for anything to become 10X its original "value" in 40 years, you have to degrade the currency by 6% a year. You have to sell bonds for 100 pennies, spend 97, and give three pennies "interest" a year every year. 30 years later, you've run out of payback. Don't worry, 30 years later, the first year's bonds are worth 1/10th the value of the original debt in new degraded funny money called paper dollars.

    That's how they want to overcome being underwater in your house--just inflate the currency so that dollars are chasing few goods, and voila, your house will "increase in value" by 6% a year. 1/3 under water? Don't worry! We'll just print more for five years, and voila it will increase nominally by 33% in five short years. Never mind if food clothing and the necessities of life cost 10X. What makes you think you can ever "retire" on a "fixed" income? In 12 years every 12 years, your buying power will drop by 1/2. Better be dead in 24 years, you're not going to make 36. See why folks are saying "I can't ever retire" or I'll retire at 80? No? GET BACK TO WORK!

    No doc loan greed, where we were just worried about the six percent commission for selling a house and loan, and not the ability to pay the 94%, the gospel of bank greed, the ones we insured with bailout money, were the cause. Both administrations ripped the Depression built safeguards from the lawbooks, and turned banks into land speculators, who securitized this no doc crap and sold it to an unsuspecting world now on the brink of Depression for five years. Europe flounders now as we did in November 2008, on the brink of disaster, weeks away.

    And we actually have pundits that talk about 6% "growth" as some holy grail. How can we grow when population is declining--there are more dying every year than being born--how can we hope for "new housing"? to save us if there aren't any more people to buy it, unless we take the dollar and make it toast.

    We are so fookayed by these village idiots we put in charge on both sides the aisle, it isn't funny. Go get a bowl of oatmeal, granny, and get back to the computer screen. Your boss is looking for that report.

    Have a nice day..
    • Living on an island 3 months ago
      In 1974 I bought a 260Z Datsun and still have it.
    • MARIQUITO 3 months ago
      Great explanation what is the solution then?
    • Clo.B. 3 months ago
      I think your'e a little ahead on the future: "...Gold at $173 in 21973 is $1700, etc etc etc." Let us know if it reach that price in year 21973.
  • Steve Jackson  •  Hong Kong, Hong Kong  •  3 months ago
    "The stock market is perhaps the only place where shoppers rush in when prices go up."

    I'd say housing works the same way. How many people bought at the top of the housing market because they were afraid of being left off the property ladder?
  • Ron  •  3 months ago
    US dollar has lost much value against gold or swiss franc since 2008, in fact if you take this into account, DOW value is under 10'000.

    Not a word about this devaluation in article. And Forex is much larger volume than stock market!
    • Fred 3 months ago
      If you get paid in US$, why should you care what the Swiss Franc is doing? It only affects the price of imported goods, meanwhile our exports sell for more.
  • JivkoA  •  3 months ago
    Apple should not be part of DJI, they make their products abroad and import them duty free in USA , their profits come from exploiting Chinese workers , and their taxes go to China.
    In this respect HP and GE have to be taken out . Their profits represent the cheaper labor outside US and are not truthful indicator of the American economy anymore.....
    • JRS 3 months ago
      Apple is not exploiting Chinese workers. They are bringing up their wealth...they are dirt poor. When there is hiring you have thousands of workers applying for the jobs. Americans don't realize that capitalism has uplifted the US into the most prosperous time in world history. Go look at countries like the Phillipines, China, Sri Lanka, Africa, etc. Even Saudi Arabia with all that oil has 80% of their population living in poverty. The poor in America, compared to the poor in other countries are rich!

      You take too much for granted. You don't know how lucky you are to live in America
    • xtra 3 months ago
      BY THAT POINT YOU NEED A WORLD ECONOMIC DOW, ..BUT SLAVE LABOR NUMBER OR CHILDREN LABOR.... CRIME BOSS FIGURES..?....
    • Chris Chase 3 months ago
      Apple is not part of the DJI
  • NoWayGray  •  Tulsa, Oklahoma  •  3 months ago
    The Fed has pumped trillions into the stock market over the last 4 years. Congrats on making the eventual fall that much worse.
  • john  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  3 months ago
    Pigs get happy, hogs get slaughtered,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how short our memory was from 4 years ago
  • Log In Eye  •  3 months ago
    Dow 13,000 was borrowed from the government. It's does not represent private corporate activity accept as evidence in a criminal case against them for high treason.
  • Will  •  Lawton, Oklahoma  •  3 months ago
    People need to realize that the Dow isn't the heartbeat of this nation. Many think with it being this high since "The Great Recession" all things are fine and dandy. I promise you that you will be staring at a half gallon of milk at the same price of a full gallon, where the latter will double in price. Gas is going to be over 6+/gallon by Memorial day Weekend all across the nation. And the Dow? Be lucky if it will be more than 9000 by the end of summer...
  • JR007  •  Tucson, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    Just so you are aware..... There are several 7% divy paying issues who have paid the same monthly, dividend from 2008 right through the crash and are still paying it today. Their price dropped to $4 from $7 but is above that again today. Dont believe it? Check out *MFM*. *Tax exempt*... Just one of many I rely on.. some others are ... DNP MMT FAX CMK PSEC... Opportunity is still available, if you research..and monitor them..
    All is not Doom & Gloom...
    • Jason 3 months ago
      Its 99.5% doom and gloom. With the debt leverage, its 367% D&G.
    • Bruce 3 months ago
      I agree. Even though valuations are up, there are many good buys of non-speculative, relatively safe issues. I've a lot of REITs, MLPs CEFs, & financials that remain good buys with divvies in the 6-8 percent range. Based on my original investments, I'm earning between 15-20 percent on dividends that have been growing every year. I'm a long term investor who is continuing to reinvest the dividends. Sure beats leaving it in cash and it is fun to seek out new prospects!
    • JR007 3 months ago
      Jason... here is a view I have of the situation.... from 60 years of observation...

      Regardless of how great the deficit spending is.... the USA will NEVER default on it's obligations...How come? & Why not??

      Because ..unlike Greece and other EU countries, the USA is still a Sovereign Nation, with the right to print or create money!!...We will print the money or create it electronically and pay the tab!! Why not??
      Where does that leave things?? All holders of US bonds and those who use the dollar as a monetary medium ..plus anyone who has cash, bonds, annuities or any other FIXED price issues will suffer ... mega inflation or devaluing of the dollar..*The same thing actually* .. big time.. and I assume it will be in proportion to the amount of additional funds being dumped into the system...Rather like a hidden tax??
      Consider this as well...if you were the largest debtor in the world and owed at least $15 Trillion...would you rather pay it back with a dollar that is worth..100 cents? or one that is worth a fraction of that amount? This is another reason that the government is not that concerned about inflation, I believe.. The guy with the 1940 dollar under his mattress will find that.. today it will buy the equivalent of a nickels worth, back then...and this is before the real inflation arrives.. So I guess the politician who said ..*deficits don’t matter*...was sorta right...Just my slant on it all tho..
  • John  •  3 months ago
    The debt's just a number. One is a number; a lonely number. Three is a number; the three stooges, Barrack, Ben and Tim.
  • James  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
    Yeah, just like $5/Gal gas is just a number.
    • R 3 months ago
      if gas gose to 5.00dollars a gallion there will be rioting in the streets,and big call f0r diierent feuls like never before (obama is gone)
  • ex-bellhead  •  Newark, New Jersey  •  3 months ago
    Kind of an aside here, but the majority of middle income people with money in the stock market do it through 401Ks and IRAs which get no benefit from a low capital gains tax rate. So this low rate mainly benefits very rich people, or those that already max out their 401Ks and need another place to invest. I think there should be some sort of tax break for 401K/IRA withdrawals to give these working people a piece of this benefit.
  • BillA  •  3 months ago
    Time for all of the lemmings to sell stock and buy real estate.
  • SickSociety  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
    Compared to the rest of the world the U.S. economy is still a good bet.
  • jeromeo  •  Pleasanton, California  •  3 months ago
    The DJIA means absolutely nothing, but the media, specifically CNBC, really makes a mockery of the daily financial newscasts. As a retiree, I obviusly have more personal time, but I have stopped watching any of those cable channels with their split screens, emotional outbursts by their anchors, I mean schmucks, and unjustified statements. It was alot more informative when we just had the three basic networks (ABC,CBS & NBC) and they didn't continually scream about the "breaking news'.
  • olderiufan  •  Ellettsville, Indiana  •  3 months ago
    It is time that people realize that we can't keep spending money we don't have. Get rid of your credit card debt, pay down your house, and don't buy new cars.
  • Asset Design Center  •  3 months ago
    The Fed will keep pumping money in until Dow 16,000, Crude Oil at $160, Gasoline at $6 and 30-year treasury yield at 0.75%. The rich will keep getting richer while the middle and lower class keep getting poorer. It will look as South Africa did long ago.
  • Dirk Bold  •  3 months ago
    It's a big number printed on an even larger balloon waiting to pop!
  • me  •  Richardson, Texas  •  3 months ago
    Please do not elect anyone that does not say they are going to Fed............
  • ebbi  •  Madrid, Spain  •  3 months ago
    Dow 13,000 is a big number, but it's just a number !!
    you can say that again ! has it made any difference in the economy ? none at all. its just a number pushed up by the magic of the stock market index futures! nothing else !
 
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